More ownage for the 360

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

Not to beat a dead horse

piercetruth34

and you decided to follow this 'fool' in his footsteps in creating this thread.

well done

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

piercetruth34

Lying about my past post doesn't make you right :)

Tales was Hyped AA, it scored AA. I win

And yes, you can list XLBA games all you like, they didn't count in my thread.

And also, it was A+ Exclusives, which it's still in the lead for.

and you decided to follow this 'fool' in his footsteps in creating this thread.

well done

superjim42

I'm not following him in his footsteps because my thread is actually correct.

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

jonnyt61

Lying about my past post doesn't make you right :)

Tales was Hyped AA, it scored AA. I win

And yes, you can list XLBA games all you like, they didn't count in my thread.

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

jonnyt61

Lying about my past post doesn't make you right :)

Tales was Hyped AA, it scored AA. I win

And yes, you can list XLBA games all you like, they didn't count in my thread.

Hey and here he is ladies and gentlemen.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

piercetruth34

Lying about my past post doesn't make you right :)

Tales was Hyped AA, it scored AA. I win

And yes, you can list XLBA games all you like, they didn't count in my thread.

Hey and here he is ladies and gentlemen.

At least I actually post something to back up my claims, as opposed to you, who just outright tries to insult people, and twist things to suit yourself. :)

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

jonnyt61

Lying about my past post doesn't make you right :)

Tales was Hyped AA, it scored AA. I win

And yes, you can list XLBA games all you like, they didn't count in my thread.

Hey and here he is ladies and gentlemen.

At least I actually post something to back up my claims, as opposed to you, who just outright tries to insult people, and twist things to suit yourself. :)

Your post was the most twisted thing I've ever seen to suit yourself. That's the point. I already backed up what I was trying to explain to you and was insulted repeatedly by you.

No, you weren't insulted. You can read the thread again, and I assure you, the closest thing to an insult was stating you seemed very ignorant. That isn't an insult.

And as for being twisted, no, you just didn't agree with the rules* set out, and like I said many times, if you didn't agree, you didn't have to post.

*I.e, Exclusive, full retail titles, ranked A+ and released in 2008. You can argue them all you want, but they're hardly twisted, or unfair.
jonnyt61

I just happen to think xbox live and arcade titles are actual games and a big part of gaming. If you havent noticed many magazines including Gamepot, review xbox live games as real games and are treating them and give them scores as such. You said in your original post that this has been a poor year for the 360 in terms of exclusives and that the ps3 clearly looks like the winner this year when that's just not true. My friends and I all play arcade titles and castle crashers is a very legit game. Even without xbox live games the 360 is right on par with the ps3 this year. Especially with games like gears coming. Saying someone is ignorant because they don't see something the same way is ignorance in itself. That's not an insult either. If you read your post it sounds to me like you are overhyping several ps3 games and not giving certain 360 games their fair due. Tales got a very solid score and is one of the better rpgs of the year.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]No, you weren't insulted. You can read the thread again, and I assure you, the closest thing to an insult was stating you seemed very ignorant. That isn't an insult.

And as for being twisted, no, you just didn't agree with the rules* set out, and like I said many times, if you didn't agree, you didn't have to post.

*I.e, Exclusive, full retail titles, ranked A+ and released in 2008. You can argue them all you want, but they're hardly twisted, or unfair.
piercetruth34

I just happen to think xbox live and arcade titles are actual games and a big part of gaming. If you havent noticed many magazines including Gamepot, review xbox live games as real games and are treating them and give them scores as such. You said in your original post that this has been a poor year for the 360 in terms of exclusives and that the ps3 clearly looks like the winner this year when that's just not true. My friends and I all play arcade titles and castle crashers is a very legit game. Even without xbox live games the 360 is right on par with the ps3 this year. Especially with games like gears coming. Saying someone is ignorant because they don't see something the same way is ignorance in itself. That's not an insult either. If you read your post it sounds to me like you are overhyping several ps3 games and not giving certain 360 games their fair due. Tales got a very solid score and is one of the better rpgs of the year.

I disagree entirely with the whole rated as real games. They're not.
You're just trying to further your point, by pretty much flat out lying.

There is no way that a title like Braid, which is 3 hours in length, can be called a better game than something such as Tales of Vesperia, which is 50+ hours.

And for God's sake, the games are hyped to general System war consensus. Tales of Vesperia was hyped AA, it scored AA. There's no deceit in what I said, it was hyped that, and scored it

Infinite Undiscovery is looking to score A~AA here, it's hyped as AA. Same goes for Viva Pinata 2. Would you like me to say that the 3 big games for 360 are going to be AAAA or something?

The only questionable game for hype for the PS3 is Motorstorm 2, as it may very well only have a hype of AA, but I felt I've seen more for it being AAA, as it's splitscreen should really help it's score.

Now stop out right lying, and pretending that I'm doing stuff I'm not, and let the damn thread go.

Isn't Castle Crashers coming to PS3? :|Zoso-8

[QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Isn't Castle Crashers coming to PS3? :|angelkimne

But Braid is right?

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Isn't Castle Crashers coming to PS3? :|killerfist

But Braid is right?

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Isn't Castle Crashers coming to PS3? :|angelkimne

But Braid is right?

[QUOTE="killerfist"]

[QUOTE="angelkimne"][QUOTE="Zoso-8"]Isn't Castle Crashers coming to PS3? :|angelkimne

But Braid is right?

so I guess it will come to PS3 considering its succes on the 360.killerfist

But after that anything is possible.

Oh god, dont revive that thread where the TC decides to only include games that he sees fit:roll: What a ridiculously biased and pointless thread.-DrRobotnik-

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Oh god, dont revive that thread where the TC decides to only include games that he sees fit:roll: What a ridiculously biased and pointless thread.jonnyt61

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

And just because you believe they are inferior to retail games doesnt mean everyone does. See my point? You have no right to decide which games count and which dont. Its like me listing the PS3 and 360 line-up, but not including sports game just because i dont like them. Its not fair.

The only way to do it fairly without bias is to include all games.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Oh god, dont revive that thread where the TC decides to only include games that he sees fit:roll: What a ridiculously biased and pointless thread.-DrRobotnik-

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

And just because you believe they are inferior to retail games doesnt mean everyone does. See my point? You have no right to decide which games count and which dont. Its like me listing the PS3 and 360 line-up, but not including sports game just because i dont like them. Its not fair.

The only way to do it fairly without bias is to include all games.

Do I force you to agree? No, I don't. But I refuse to accept your opinion as truth, when pretty much any gaming reviewer would take the same stance as me.

I even proved that you believe the same thing. In that thread, I asked whether you'd pay $60 for Braid, and you said no. It's pretty much proof you see the title being different to retail games

If you want more proof, there was a huge uproar about Braid costing so much on XBL Marketplace, so how can you NOT see that people judge these titles to a completely different standard.

It's obvious that people see a complete difference in standards, as Halo 3 scored 9.5 also, and over 8 million people were happy to pay $60 or the equivalent of. Now, half of System Wars was extremely disappointed with the high cost of Braid, a game that was also scored 9.5

If you can't see the actual correlation between peoples views on game standards, then, to be quite frank, you're being blatantly ignorant.

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Oh god, dont revive that thread where the TC decides to only include games that he sees fit:roll: What a ridiculously biased and pointless thread.jonnyt61

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

And just because you believe they are inferior to retail games doesnt mean everyone does. See my point? You have no right to decide which games count and which dont. Its like me listing the PS3 and 360 line-up, but not including sports game just because i dont like them. Its not fair.

The only way to do it fairly without bias is to include all games.

Do I force you to agree? No, I don't. But I refuse to accept your opinion as truth, when pretty much any gaming reviewer would take the same stance as me.

I even proved that you believe the same thing. In that thread, I asked whether you'd pay $60 for Braid, and you said no. It's pretty much proof you see the title being different to retail games

If you want more proof, there was a huge uproar about Braid costing so much on XBL Marketplace, so how can you NOT see that people judge these titles to a completely different standard.

It's obvious that people see a complete difference in standards, as Halo 3 scored 9.5 also, and over 8 million people were happy to pay $60 or the equivalent of. Now, half of System Wars was extremely disappointed with the high cost of Braid, a game that was also scored 9.5

If you can't see the actual correlation between peoples views on game standards, then, to be quite frank, you're being blatantly ignorant.

No, i said i wouldnt pay $60 for Braid because its not really my kind of game. I wouldnt pay $60 for Mercenaries 2, does than mean its scored to a different standard? No, it just means im not a big fan of the game. Plus you fail to mention i said I would pay $60 for a XBLA Sonic 3 port.

Anyway, what i did say though was that you seemed adamant on not comparing retail games to arcade games due to "different standards", but the whole thread was based on comparing the PS3 library to the 360 library, which funnily enough get marked to different standards.

Heres a little exert from the Gamespot review guidelines: "Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

Now you seem to nitpick a lot about these "standards" so why be a complete hypocrite and compare the PS3 library to the 360 library!? Plus, if you read the part i bolded, it kinda confirms that games like Braid, even though they are arcade titles, are outstanding games by ANY STANDARDS.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"][QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

-DrRobotnik-

And just because you believe they are inferior to retail games doesnt mean everyone does. See my point? You have no right to decide which games count and which dont. Its like me listing the PS3 and 360 line-up, but not including sports game just because i dont like them. Its not fair.

The only way to do it fairly without bias is to include all games.

Do I force you to agree? No, I don't. But I refuse to accept your opinion as truth, when pretty much any gaming reviewer would take the same stance as me.

I even proved that you believe the same thing. In that thread, I asked whether you'd pay $60 for Braid, and you said no. It's pretty much proof you see the title being different to retail games

If you want more proof, there was a huge uproar about Braid costing so much on XBL Marketplace, so how can you NOT see that people judge these titles to a completely different standard.

It's obvious that people see a complete difference in standards, as Halo 3 scored 9.5 also, and over 8 million people were happy to pay $60 or the equivalent of. Now, half of System Wars was extremely disappointed with the high cost of Braid, a game that was also scored 9.5

If you can't see the actual correlation between peoples views on game standards, then, to be quite frank, you're being blatantly ignorant.

No, i said i wouldnt pay $60 for Braid because its not really my kind of game. I wouldnt pay $60 for Mercenaries 2, does than mean its scored to a different standard? No, it just means im not a big fan of the game. Plus you fail to mention i said I would pay $60 for a XBLA Sonic 3 port.

Anyway, what i did say though was that you seemed adamant on not comparing retail games to arcade games due to "different standards", but the whole thread was based on comparing the PS3 library to the 360 library, which funnily enough get marked to different standards.

Heres a little exert from the Gamespot review guidelines: "Every gaming platform is different, especially in terms of its technical features. However, we believe high-quality gaming experiences are possible on all the gaming platforms that we cover. So we review games against the standards of their respective platforms by implicitly comparing them to other games on that same platform and, to a lesser extent, to other games in that genre. As a result, our ratings of games on different platforms are not intended to be directly compared to one another. However, relative comparisons do apply, so a game that scores poorly is a poor game by any standards, while a game that scores extremely high is an outstanding game by any standards."

Now you seem to nitpick a lot about these "standards" so why be a complete hypocrite and compare the PS3 library to the 360 library!? Plus, if you read the part i bolded, it kinda confirms that games like Braid, even though they are arcade titles, are outstanding games by ANY STANDARDS.

You know what, you're being extremely pig headed, and trying to feign ignorance for some stupid reason. You know that people compare consoles games to each other, because there's not that much in the way of difference between them.

Now, I would never put Braid in the same league as Metal Gear Solid 4, Gears of War or Oblivion, simply because the game -isn't- in the same league. It can't be compared to them, even if it scored similar to them, because the standards, are COMPLETELY and utterly different.

It's not a case of "Oh, these games have a slight graphical edge" or "These games are a little better designed, and have a simpler architecture" it's a case of Braid, and other Arcade/PSN titles being a lot smaller, a lot cheaper, and overall completely different in terms of standards.

Nobody would accept a $60 3 hour long game. Because there's different standards between something that is budget, and designed to be a small, downloadable title, compared to a game that is $60, lasts -at least- 10 hours, released in a store on a disc. If Braid or similar titles were the same standard as retail games, they'd be released in stores, not just downloadable.

When you realize the logical failure of what you're saying, you'll understand.

You know what, you're being extremely pig headed, and trying to feign ignorance for some stupid reason. You know that people compare consoles games to each other, because there's not that much in the way of difference between them.

Now, I would never put Braid in the same league as Metal Gear Solid 4, Gears of War or Oblivion, simply because the game -isn't- in the same league. It can't be compared to them, even if it scored similar to them, because the standards, are COMPLETELY and utterly different.

It's not a case of "Oh, these games have a slight graphical edge" or "These games are a little better designed, and have a simpler architecture" it's a case of Braid, and other Arcade/PSN titles being a lot smaller, a lot cheaper, and overall completely different in terms of standards.

Nobody would accept a $60 3 hour long game. Because there's different standards between something that is budget, and designed to be a small, downloadable title, compared to a game that is $60, lasts -at least- 10 hours, released in a store on a disc. If Braid or similar titles were the same standard as retail games, they'd be released in stores, not just downloadable.

When you realize the logical failure of what you're saying, you'll understand. jonnyt61

I agree. It's like Heavenly Sword one of the main gripes about the game was that it was so short. Braid was shorter than Heavely Sword... so what does that tell ya?

Different standards. It's fair to compare XBLA games to small PSN games, but you cant compare a game like MGS4 to Braid. Not sure if anyone did, just agreeing with your point.

[QUOTE="piercetruth34"]

Not to beat a dead horse

killerfist

just a tad

You know what, you're being extremely pig headed, and trying to feign ignorance for some stupid reason. You know that people compare consoles games to each other, because there's not that much in the way of difference between them.

Now, I would never put Braid in the same league as Metal Gear Solid 4, Gears of War or Oblivion, simply because the game -isn't- in the same league. It can't be compared to them, even if it scored similar to them, because the standards, are COMPLETELY and utterly different.

It's not a case of "Oh, these games have a slight graphical edge" or "These games are a little better designed, and have a simpler architecture" it's a case of Braid, and other Arcade/PSN titles being a lot smaller, a lot cheaper, and overall completely different in terms of standards.

Nobody would accept a $60 3 hour long game. Because there's different standards between something that is budget, and designed to be a small, downloadable title, compared to a game that is $60, lasts -at least- 10 hours, released in a store on a disc. If Braid or similar titles were the same standard as retail games, they'd be released in stores, not just downloadable.

When you realize the logical failure of what you're saying, you'll understand.

jonnyt61

Listen, as you read in my previous post, Gamepost have outlined how they review vaguely, and they do state that an outstanding game is an outstanding game by any standards. Also, you seem to be going off track a little, because im not here to argue that arcade games should be compared to retail. I originally pointed out that you left out a portion of each consoles libraries. Now cue the "different standards" argument, but sorry, that doesnt stand.

Even if I agree with everything you said on standards. Even if i agree that arcade games are reviewed differently than retail games, it still doesnt change the fact that there are numerous games you left out! Im not sure if i can write it more clearly.

I know your going to get back and say that you didnt include them because they're reviewed to different standards. Well ill try and summarise this to see if you get my point.

Regardless of the game type or "standard" to which a game was marked, if it scores 9.0+ it is an AAA experience that the console is providing. If you want to compare the PS3's ilbrary of 2008 games to the 360's 08 games, you should include every game. No bias please. Just state the facts, which in your threads case, would be every game above 7.0 on Gamespot. No retail spin or exclusion of games plz.

Honestly, aside from MGS4 and LBP, 360 factually has more 08 games released and many have really good marks.

I mean no cow can say PSN > Arcade with Braid, Castle Crashers, and Geo2.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

You know what, you're being extremely pig headed, and trying to feign ignorance for some stupid reason. You know that people compare consoles games to each other, because there's not that much in the way of difference between them.

Now, I would never put Braid in the same league as Metal Gear Solid 4, Gears of War or Oblivion, simply because the game -isn't- in the same league. It can't be compared to them, even if it scored similar to them, because the standards, are COMPLETELY and utterly different.

It's not a case of "Oh, these games have a slight graphical edge" or "These games are a little better designed, and have a simpler architecture" it's a case of Braid, and other Arcade/PSN titles being a lot smaller, a lot cheaper, and overall completely different in terms of standards.

Nobody would accept a $60 3 hour long game. Because there's different standards between something that is budget, and designed to be a small, downloadable title, compared to a game that is $60, lasts -at least- 10 hours, released in a store on a disc. If Braid or similar titles were the same standard as retail games, they'd be released in stores, not just downloadable.

When you realize the logical failure of what you're saying, you'll understand.

-DrRobotnik-

Listen, as you read in my previous post, Gamepost have outlined how they review vaguely, and they do state that an outstanding game is an outstanding game by any standards. Also, you seem to be going off track a little, because im not here to argue that arcade games should be compared to retail. I originally pointed out that you left out a portion of each consoles libraries. Now cue the "different standards" argument, but sorry, that doesnt stand.

Even if I agree with everything you said on standards. Even if i agree that arcade games are reviewed differently than retail games, it still doesnt change the fact that there are numerous games you left out! Im not sure if i can write it more clearly.

I know your going to get back and say that you didnt include them because they're reviewed to different standards. Well ill try and summarise this to see if you get my point.

Regardless of the game type or "standard" to which a game was marked, if it scores 9.0+ it is an AAA experience that the console is providing. If you want to compare the PS3's ilbrary of 2008 games to the 360's 08 games, you should include every game. No bias please. Just state the facts, which in your threads case, would be every game above 7.0 on Gamespot. No retail spin or exclusion of games plz.

I think jonnyt61 isn't going to believe anything that goes counter to his weak argument which proves to him that PS3 is better than 360. He'll ignore the existing library of games (as if games released prior to 2008 can't be played on your 360). He'll ignore that Braid is a fantastic game and that geometry wars 2 gets the most gameplay on my console this month. Not because it's cheap, but because it's fun!

Isn't Viva Pinata 2 $39? If so is it fair to compare it to a full price game like heavenly sword? Hey wait, wasn't heavely sword only 5 hours worth of game play? And yet it charged full price?

Oh uh, we better not go there....jonnyt61 will have a heart attck.

Looks like you can add Viva Pinata 2 to the list of AAs.

Not to beat a dead horse because I rarely knock the ps3, but some fool was on here a while back saying this is clearly the year of the ps3 because it is going to have more AA+ exlusives. With Castle Crashers and Tales of VEsparia, the 360 has the lead in 2008 with more coming. I think the same guy was saying according to his hype index tales wouldn't get AA and he didn't even mention Castle Crashers. EVery year has been the year of the 360 so far.

piercetruth34

The only worthy exclusive the 360 has got this year was Ninja Gaiden 2. PS3 has got GT5P and MGS4!plod2

Sorry a £25 demo which dissapointed every gran turismo fan i know including myself was was a worth exclusive?

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"][QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]Oh god, dont revive that thread where the TC decides to only include games that he sees fit:roll: What a ridiculously biased and pointless thread.farrell2k

*sigh* Just because you believe that Arcade/PSN titles are better than full retail games, doesn't mean everyone does.

And just because you believe they are inferior to retail games doesnt mean everyone does. See my point? You have no right to decide which games count and which dont. Its like me listing the PS3 and 360 line-up, but not including sports game just because i dont like them. Its not fair.

The only way to do it fairly without bias is to include all games.

Wow. I'm getting dizzy from watching the world revolve around you.

Te guy is voicing his opinion, and unless he lives in China or Cuba, he has every right to list only the games he sees fit.

I have no problem with him stating his opinion. Its the fact he created a new topic comparing the lineup of the PS3 and the 360 (by listing the games released and their score) which is NOT a place for opinion. He can insert opinion if he wants, and decide to include or not include whatever he wants, I cant stop him, but then it renders his thread useless because its biased and unfair.

The Xbox 360 is DEAD! It's going the same way as the original Xbox.metalgear-solid

yes, the 360 is awesome and has a strong library of games.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

You know what, you're being extremely pig headed, and trying to feign ignorance for some stupid reason. You know that people compare consoles games to each other, because there's not that much in the way of difference between them.

Now, I would never put Braid in the same league as Metal Gear Solid 4, Gears of War or Oblivion, simply because the game -isn't- in the same league. It can't be compared to them, even if it scored similar to them, because the standards, are COMPLETELY and utterly different.

It's not a case of "Oh, these games have a slight graphical edge" or "These games are a little better designed, and have a simpler architecture" it's a case of Braid, and other Arcade/PSN titles being a lot smaller, a lot cheaper, and overall completely different in terms of standards.

Nobody would accept a $60 3 hour long game. Because there's different standards between something that is budget, and designed to be a small, downloadable title, compared to a game that is $60, lasts -at least- 10 hours, released in a store on a disc. If Braid or similar titles were the same standard as retail games, they'd be released in stores, not just downloadable.

When you realize the logical failure of what you're saying, you'll understand.

-DrRobotnik-

Listen, as you read in my previous post, Gamepost have outlined how they review vaguely, and they do state that an outstanding game is an outstanding game by any standards. Also, you seem to be going off track a little, because im not here to argue that arcade games should be compared to retail. I originally pointed out that you left out a portion of each consoles libraries. Now cue the "different standards" argument, but sorry, that doesnt stand.

Even if I agree with everything you said on standards. Even if i agree that arcade games are reviewed differently than retail games, it still doesnt change the fact that there are numerous games you left out! Im not sure if i can write it more clearly.

I know your going to get back and say that you didnt include them because they're reviewed to different standards. Well ill try and summarise this to see if you get my point.

Regardless of the game type or "standard" to which a game was marked, if it scores 9.0+ it is an AAA experience that the console is providing. If you want to compare the PS3's ilbrary of 2008 games to the 360's 08 games, you should include every game. No bias please. Just state the facts, which in your threads case, would be every game above 7.0 on Gamespot. No retail spin or exclusion of games plz.

I think jonnyt61 isn't going to believe anything that goes counter to his weak argument which proves to him that PS3 is better than 360. He'll ignore the existing library of games (as if games released prior to 2008 can't be played on your 360). He'll ignore that Braid is a fantastic game and that geometry wars 2 gets the most gameplay on my console this month. Not because it's cheap, but because it's fun!

Isn't Viva Pinata 2 $39? If so is it fair to compare it to a full price game like heavenly sword? Hey wait, wasn't heavely sword only 5 hours worth of game play? And yet it charged full price?

Oh uh, we better not go there....jonnyt61 will have a heart attck.

stiltzsy

Let' see, hmmm. Go back to the thread I made, look at it. It states, that the whole point of the thread, is to compare the two consoles 2008 lineup. Not their entire libraries.

Now the reason for that, is so we can find out, who had the better year.

And no, I don't ignore them being fantastic games, what I don't want, which if you actually have any semblance of sense, you'd understand, is a bunch of titles, that play by a completely different standard, bloating the side of one consoles list. It's pretty much a case of me not wanting to have a PSN vs XBL arguement.

And Viva Pinata 2 is still a big enough game to be released at Retail, so the same standards. And you actually proved my point even further by listed Heavenly Sword.

Many reveiws cited Heavenly Sword as an enjoyable exprience, one of it's biggest flaws, and probably the main reason it didn't score much over an A~AA was because of the very short amount of gameplay.

Now, Braid, scored 9.5 and lasts 3~4 hours. Yet pretty much every review doesn't see it as a negative, down to the fact, they know it's a small, downloadable title, that's designed to be of less value, than a full, retail release.

Looks like you can add Viva Pinata 2 to the list of AAs.

Fumpa

No, you see, you're trying to ignore that I don't want to have to put "AAA" expriences that can't be compared correctly, in the same list.

I'll put it simple for you. Games like Metal gear Solid 4, Gears etc, can't be compared to games like Braid, Geometry Wars 2. So why make a list, which seems to favor one side, because the games can't be compared properly

that big old Metacritic chart proved my point exactly, no differentiation between the different standards.jonnyt61

Difference is, the metacritic chart only provided fact. It showed every game for both platforms over a certain score. Your lists on the other hand are biased, because you've decided to leave out games due to them not "matching" retail games. Which by the way, is again your opinion. You cant tell anyone that they will automatically enjoy Gears of War more than Braid just because its a full retail game.

At the end of the day, one could enjoy Braid 10 times more than The Orange Box while another could enjoy Halo 3 10 times more than Geometry Wars. Thats not for you to decide.

Now the reason for that, is so we can find out, who had the better year.

And no, I don't ignore them being fantastic games, what I don't want, which if you actually have any semblance of sense, you'd understand, is a bunch of titles, that play by a completely different standard, bloating the side of one consoles list. It's pretty much a case of me not wanting to have a PSN vs XBL arguement.

jonnyt61

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]
No, you see, you're trying to ignore that I don't want to have to put "AAA" expriences that can't be compared correctly, in the same list.

I'll put it simple for you. Games like Metal gear Solid 4, Gears etc, can't be compared to games like Braid, Geometry Wars 2. So why make a list, which seems to favor one side, because the games can't be compared properly

that big old Metacritic chart proved my point exactly, no differentiation between the different standards.-DrRobotnik-

Difference is, the metacritic chart only provided fact. It showed every game for both platforms over a certain score. Your lists on the other hand are biased, because you've decided to leave out games due to them not "matching" retail games. Which by the way, is again your opinion. You cant tell anyone that they will automatically enjoy Gears of War more than Braid just because its a full retail game.

At the end of the day, one could enjoy Braid 10 times more than The Orange Box while another could enjoy Halo 3 10 times more than Geometry Wars. Thats not for you to decide.

You're just simply ignoring the FACT that games ARE scored to a different standard, depending on what their intent is.

Yes, but like I showed you earlier, if that mattered, people wouldn't of been complaining it was $15 but be fine with paying $60 for a different game.

Anyone who says XBL/PSN games should be counted, ask themselves this...

Would you pay $60 for any ONE of these games...

Braid
Geometry Wars 2
Castle Crashers
Pixel Junk Eden
Pixel Junk Monsters
Bionic Commando : Rearmed

If you can't answer Yes, for any one of those, then you're shooting your own point in the foot.

[QUOTE="jonnyt61"]

Now the reason for that, is so we can find out, who had the better year.

And no, I don't ignore them being fantastic games, what I don't want, which if you actually have any semblance of sense, you'd understand, is a bunch of titles, that play by a completely different standard, bloating the side of one consoles list. It's pretty much a case of me not wanting to have a PSN vs XBL arguement.

-DrRobotnik-

See, I'd agree with you. But you know, you keep ignoring the party, where I don't want a list, which has two different standards for it its games. The way the list is, it's one standard, an A is an A, AA is AA etc.

Now, if I include Arcade/PSN titles, suddenly, is goes from an A is an A, to "Well, should that A, be compared to this A? I mean, they're not really the same standard now, are they?"

I'd rather make it fair for both sides, going by the same rules, with one standard.

I just readthis thread and figured i would put in my two cents.

now then i will list what exclusives have come out for the PS3 and the 360 that are rated over 7 out of 10 on gamespot. i will have multiple catagories, games out, games coming out this year, and arcade. i will inlude games that are on the PC as well as the system.

these rules should make it easy to look and tali at which one has the better line up i neach of those catagories, and it will keep things very civil.

we will start with the 360 games that are out and exclusive.

-Ninja gaiden 2 score 8/10

-Viva Pinata: trouble in paradise 8.5/10

-Tales of Visapria 8.5/10

-Lost Planet: Extreme Condition Colonies Edition 7.5/10

-Lost odyssey 7.5/10

-Comand counquer 3: kane's wrath 7.5/10

-Frontlines: Fuel of war 7.5/10

Now for the exclusives that are coming out.

-Left 4 Dead

-Gears of War 2

-Rock Band 2 (timed exclusive)

-Infinity undescovered

Xbox 360 arcade

-Castle crashers 8.5/10

-Geometery wars 2 9/10

-Braid 9.5/10

-Galaga leigions 9/10

-Ikaruga 8.5/10

-Penny Arcade Adventures: On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 7.5/10

Continuing with PS3 exclusives

-Disgea 3: Absence of justice 7.5/10

-Metal gear Solid 4 guns of the patriot 10/10

-Buzz! Quiz TV 7.5/10

-Singstar 7.5/10

-Grand tarismo 5 Prolog 7.5/10

-MLB 08 the show 8.5/10

Now to the PS3 upcoming exclusives.

-Little big planet

-Resistance 2

-Naruto Ultamate Ninja storm

PS3 network exlusives

-Pixel Junk Eden 7/10

-siren: bloody curse 7/10

-the Last Guy (Unscored yet)

-Ratchet and Clank Future: Quest for booty 7.5/10

That is the list showing all the games that i could find in the halfhour-hour i looked with the game score from gamespot.

360 has 7 exclusives that were scored above 7 released in 2008 so far. It has 4 more exclusives that are coming out in 2008.

that is a total of 11 exclusives slated for this year.

the Xbox live arcade has 6 exclusives out (i am not looking at ones coming out casue that would have taken more time then i have at the moment to find.)

the PS3 has 6 exclusives that were scored bove 7 released so far in 2008. I could find about 3 more exclusives slated to come out before the end of 2008.

The PS3 network has 4 exlusive games on it that came out in 2008.

Taking a look at this data i would conclude that the xbox 360 is still in the lead as far as exclusivity of good games in 2008.

now then i am personally out of all the games coming out this year looking forward to Left 4 Dead, either on the PC or on the 360 which ever one i choose to get it for.