Morgan Webb Yawns at LoZ SS Calls Assasins Creed and Uncharted 3 innovative....

[QUOTE="soulitane"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Exactly. Isn't that what every consumer wants. A product that services his/her wants and needs.i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

No Ganon? LMFAO!!!

Basinboy

You haven't even read anything up on SS, have you?

If I hadn't, how would I have known there'd be no Ganon? I've seen plenty to know that it's going to be another Zelda game, which means it's going to be a great game (Wii MotionPlus controls look really cool, actually). But we're all still playing as the kid in the tunic saving the princess, so to say "radically different" is something I can do nothing but scoff at.

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] UC3 is anything but grey and brown.i5750at4Ghz

I'm generalizing, just like you. And I'd bet anyhting that SS is more innovative than Uncharted 3 is to 1 or 2.

That Nintendo only uses colorful kiddy artstyles...False! Don't command me to do anything. Innovation is in the title of the thread. I will bring it up as i please.

Damn I'm starting to feel like a sheep again, I'm starting to get annoyed with all the Skyward Sword hate. Longer, Upgradable weapons, better paced, and actual use of wii motion plus like I expected since the beginning. Pretty much all I hear is "lol ps2 graphics. Zelda sucks derp"

For some reason she hates games with cel shaded graphics

I am not joking, it isn't just Nintendo either.. Every time she is just like Oh yeah this is just too kiddy sorry not for me.. Like what?

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="soulitane"] No, not every user is selfish and wants everything to fit their wants and take away something from other people that they may like.

soulitane

Great quote from this clip. "How great would zelda be on a modern console with modern graphics?". To answer ALOT BETTER. Wii can take it's old tech and leave out the exit in the back.i5750at4Ghz

Why stop there though? Make it for PC! Seriously though, as much as I would love to see Zelda on PC, its not happening. Skyward Sword will be amazing regardless.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

I'm generalizing, just like you. And I'd bet anyhting that SS is more innovative than Uncharted 3 is to 1 or 2.

Captain_Lorelli

That Nintnedo only uses colorful kiddy artstyles...False! Don't command me to do anything. Innovation is in the title of the thread. I will bring it up as i please.

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Where did I generalize? And where did I even bring up gameplay? Stay on topic.i5750at4Ghz

That Nintnedo only uses colorful kiddy artstyles...False! Don't command me to do anything. Innovation is in the title of the thread. I will bring it up as i please.

That is really funny, because TP was nice and brown and grainy just like you like it. Oh wait, no Hd no buy....

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

That Nintnedo only uses colorful kiddy artstyles...False! Don't command me to do anything. Innovation is in the title of the thread. I will bring it up as i please.

Captain_Lorelli

That is really funny, because TP was nice and brown and grainy just like you like it. Oh wait, no Hd no buy....

[QUOTE="Captain_Lorelli"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] But they only do use colorful artstyles... However I said nothing about them being kiddy, more like cartoonish. Which I find looks horrible.i5750at4Ghz

That is really funny, because TP was nice and brown and grainy just like you like it. Oh wait, no Hd no buy....

I understand that, i would rather Zelda never try to draw inspiration from terrible games like Uncharted or Gears of Bore. Keep that garbo away, and give me colors, fantasy and charm.

It was still cartoonish. I buy what I like, just like you. I don't like games that look cartoony. If you do fine, enjoy the game.i5750at4Ghz

How were you able to play games prior to this generation with those preferences? :?

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It was still cartoonish. I buy what I like, just like you. I don't like games that look cartoony. If you do fine, enjoy the game.mmmwksil

How were you able to play games prior to this generation with those preferences? :?

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]It was still cartoonish. I buy what I like, just like you. I don't like games that look cartoony. If you do fine, enjoy the game.i5750at4Ghz

How were you able to play games prior to this generation with those preferences? :?

Preferences are nice and all, but if you'll permit me that does seem a bit shallow on your part.

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

You haven't even read anything up on SS, have you?

charizard1605

If I hadn't, how would I have known there'd be no Ganon? I've seen plenty to know that it's going to be another Zelda game, which means it's going to be a great game (Wii MotionPlus controls look really cool, actually). But we're all still playing as the kid in the tunic saving the princess, so to say "radically different" is something I can do nothing but scoff at.

Rebooted structure? So LoZ:SS is moving away from dungeons, puzzles, and bosses? And I'm totally unclear what you mean by reworked framework, not sure what that refers to. Controls, obviously, are built for the Wii and will change up the gameplay a lot (i.e. the battle with Ghirahim demo as obvious evidence). And if you enjoy LoZ's story, cool. But if I were to name off the games with the best stories (or even good stories), I doubt any LoZ game would even touch the list.

Just because I don't happen to be buying what Nintendo's selling doesn't mean I've got issues, just a difference in tastes; I like going places I don't feel like I've been before.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

How were you able to play games prior to this generation with those preferences? :?

mmmwksil

Preferences are nice and all, but if you'll permit me that does seem a bit shallow on your part.

As opposed to liking games because they look cartoony and colourful?

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] There was no alternative. Hard to miss something you don't know exists. First time I played BF2 I instantly was turned off from all cartoonish looking games. GD1551

Preferences are nice and all, but if you'll permit me that does seem a bit shallow on your part.

As opposed to liking games because they look cartoony and colourful?

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]

If I hadn't, how would I have known there'd be no Ganon? I've seen plenty to know that it's going to be another Zelda game, which means it's going to be a great game (Wii MotionPlus controls look really cool, actually). But we're all still playing as the kid in the tunic saving the princess, so to say "radically different" is something I can do nothing but scoff at.

Basinboy

Rebooted structure? So LoZ:SS is moving away from dungeons, puzzles, and bosses? And I'm totally unclear what you mean by reworked framework, not sure what that refers to. Controls, obviously, are built for the Wii and will change up the gameplay a lot (i.e. the battle with Ghirahim demo as obvious evidence). And if you enjoy LoZ's story, cool. But if I were to name off the games with the best stories (or even good stories), I doubt any LoZ game would even touch the list.

Just because I don't happen to be buying what Nintendo's selling means I've got issues, just a difference in tastes; I like going places I don't feel like I've been before.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Basinboy"]

If I hadn't, how would I have known there'd be no Ganon? I've seen plenty to know that it's going to be another Zelda game, which means it's going to be a great game (Wii MotionPlus controls look really cool, actually). But we're all still playing as the kid in the tunic saving the princess, so to say "radically different" is something I can do nothing but scoff at.

Basinboy

Rebooted structure? So LoZ:SS is moving away from dungeons, puzzles, and bosses? And I'm totally unclear what you mean by reworked framework, not sure what that refers to. Controls, obviously, are built for the Wii and will change up the gameplay a lot (i.e. the battle with Ghirahim demo as obvious evidence). And if you enjoy LoZ's story, cool. But if I were to name off the games with the best stories (or even good stories), I doubt any LoZ game would even touch the list.

Just because I don't happen to be buying what Nintendo's selling doesn't mean I've got issues, just a difference in tastes; I like going places I don't feel like I've been before.

SS is not as much a typical zelda game. While there is still some dungeons and bosses (or so i hear), they are focusing more on some of the world being a dungeon almost, and how it will change from time to time or something. I have not watched everythign because of spoilers. COmbine this with new controls, graphics, items, world, story (villain), RPG elements (upgrading) and so on. I think its QUITE different.

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

mmmwksil

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, overly cartoony visuals really annoy me as well.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

How were you able to play games prior to this generation with those preferences? :?

mmmwksil

Preferences are nice and all, but if you'll permit me that does seem a bit shallow on your part.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

GD1551

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, cartoon visuals really annoy me as well.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

GD1551

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, overly cartoony visuals really annoy me as well.

People like bright colors. Some people don't. It's all good.

Still, you've made your point and his clear enough for me. Whatever makes you happy. :)

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

charizard1605

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, cartoon visuals really annoy me as well.

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] There was no alternative. Hard to miss something you don't know exists. First time I played BF2 I instantly was turned off from all cartoonish looking games. i5750at4Ghz

Preferences are nice and all, but if you'll permit me that does seem a bit shallow on your part.

I meant purposefully passing up games because they adopted those visuals. But it's okay, I won't hassle you about it any longer.

And I agree with you on voice acting; more often than not it tends to ruin the experience instead of help it.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="mmmwksil"]

I don't recall ever mentioning anything of the sort. GD, if I didn't know any better, I'd think you were out to get me. :?

I was just commenting that while preferences are all well and good, it seemed to be a harsh handicap on his potential for fun to pass up anything with cartoon visuals.

charizard1605

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, cartoon visuals really annoy me as well.

It depends, not everyone likes playing through more children oriented games, and visuals normally show what the target audience for the game is.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, cartoon visuals really annoy me as well.

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I'm not out to get anyone, I was just pointing out something to you. There's really no difference, except "brown/grey" is frowned upon but rainbow looking games are met with applause. This thread is proof of that, and honestly I can see where he's coming from, cartoon visuals really annoy me as well.

GD1551

It depends, not everyone likes playing through more children oriented games, and visuals normally show what the target audience for the game is.

I love all style, but when I didnt own a Wii, I did want to buy one (again, sold the first) because I was just having way too much realism lol. I needed the crazy mario and such. It feels good to have both mixing it up.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] That is okay, but to dismiss a game simply because it has cartoon visuals is wrong, don't you think? And yes, I will also argue that to dismiss a game simply because it looks realistic or brown/grey is wrong.charizard1605

But Skyward Sword, as a Zelda game, is not child oriented. It is child friendly, maybe, but not child oriented. Surely you know that?charizard1605

I know, which is why I said normally!

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] With how many great games there are, why play something you don't enjoy? We all have more games we want to play than time, so why spend time playing something that doesn't fit into your gaming preference?i5750at4Ghz

I played SF, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Goldeney, Micromachines and everything between :P. But I guess thats just me lol. I play pretty much anything that is quality, but theres a few genres (ball sports and RTS's) I do not care for.

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] I understand that perfectly. It's okay to not play a game if you don't feel interested in it. However, why dismiss it as rubbish?

NaveedLife

I played SF, Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Goldeney, Micromachines and everything between :P. But I guess thats just me lol. I play pretty much anything that is quality, but theres a few genres (ball sports and RTS's) I do not care for.

They already lost whatever credibility they had when they said Super Mario Galaxy 2 was crap.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] With how many great games there are, why play something you don't enjoy? We all have more games we want to play than time, so why spend time playing something that doesn't fit into your gaming preference?i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="Basinboy"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] So just because the broad motivation is the same, you will ignore the rebooted structure, the reworked framework, the revamped controls and the expanded story, and go on to claim that it is not radically different? The issue then here might be with you, not the game.NaveedLife

Rebooted structure? So LoZ:SS is moving away from dungeons, puzzles, and bosses? And I'm totally unclear what you mean by reworked framework, not sure what that refers to. Controls, obviously, are built for the Wii and will change up the gameplay a lot (i.e. the battle with Ghirahim demo as obvious evidence). And if you enjoy LoZ's story, cool. But if I were to name off the games with the best stories (or even good stories), I doubt any LoZ game would even touch the list.

Just because I don't happen to be buying what Nintendo's selling doesn't mean I've got issues, just a difference in tastes; I like going places I don't feel like I've been before.

SS is not as much a typical zelda game. While there is still some dungeons and bosses (or so i hear), they are focusing more on some of the world being a dungeon almost, and how it will change from time to time or something. I have not watched everythign because of spoilers. COmbine this with new controls, graphics, items, world, story (villain), RPG elements (upgrading) and so on. I think its QUITE different.

I see the same things you do, I simply differ in the end analysis. Zelda is and always will be Zelda, no matter what sort of gameplay quirks or storyline tweaks they make. Changes to a game, especially a franchise like LoZ, don't reinvent or redefine the essence of what it's about. I would never expect Nintendo to change that about LoZ and honestly, wouldn't want them to. I've had that experience and I simply have no interest in experiencing it again. All the same, it doesn't mean it's not worth experiencing and would encourage any interested persons to do so. But the essence of a Zelda game is still there, even in SS, and that's why I don't find it radically different.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]But Skyward Sword, as a Zelda game, is not child oriented. It is child friendly, maybe, but not child oriented. Surely you know that?GD1551

I know, which is why I said normally!

I yawn at Zelda games as well. I can't blame her. I do not give Zelda, Mario and Nintendo the love that most SWarriors do.

To see a big change in the Zelda series would really go along way in helping me get back into it. I could have sworn they showed off concept art of a more futuristic Zelda title with like energy swords and shields and what looked like a blue neon city at one point and all I remeber thinking was "now this is what Zelda needs"

A change in scenary, weapons, mechanics, and time period could go a long way. Although the new swordplay mechanics in Zelda SS look pretty cool.

[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Yeah like 1% of the market. No one cares about these consumers.i5750at4Ghz

I have a PS3 and Wii. Whisle I'm looking forward to Uncharted 3 Zelda SS looks great to me. I have 70 PS3 games inclulding the Assassins Creed games. I just find the Wii more fun. I can play Nintendo's games over and over without getting bored. Most of my PS3 game I can't bring myself to finish them.

People still take whatever comes out of G4 these days seriously?

Why does it have to be cartoony? Why can't it just be a certain type of style?

http://www.g4tv.com/videos/55439/action-games-in-depth/

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Captain_Lorelli

I sort of agree.

I loved TP dark, LotR esc art sty le

I loved Windwakers styIe art cell shading (even more than ^)

SS, just looks:?, go for hot or cold, never aim for luk warm

That goes for art styIe too. Go for full cartoon/artistic or realistic, not a weird mix

Honestly which of these looks worse artistically

Glitchspot won't let me post another pic(of WW):(

But still, I believe WW & TP artstyIe>>>>>>SS

Just as I believe WW&TP will>SS

They are 100% right in what they say...Zelda basically is the same thing since OOT while games like Uncharted and Assasins creed bring new features that you only found this gen, espeically looking at storytelling and character dimension...Oh also did I mention top notch console pushing graphics? There is way more excitement for games like Gears and Uncharted than their is for a game like Zelda nowadays...Nintendo needs to step it up next gen and bring the fans a real next gen Zelda.

I love AC and Uncharted but I wont call them innovative. They are just well made games.

finalfantasy94

They didnt say innovative, not sure what the TC was thinking (trying to create contraversy?), but they did say people are more excited about games like UC3 and AC3 and thats the truth.