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#51 Fusible
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[QUOTE="Onizuka36"]Akira from VF is an easy pick. Zangief is hard when you have to spin aroun on your control pad kjust to do some of his basic throw moves (which often miss if you're not really good) I also always kinda found Lei Wulong from Tekken difficult to use. It's so difficult to effectively use all use stances. In Guilty Gear I always had trouble using Potempkin. HE CAN'T JUMP! He's just a walking target. I've seen some people who got REALLY goo with him, but he STILL is easy to beat if you get the timing of his attacks down.Spartan070
Zangief was tough, especially on those old controllers.

Zangief was hard, he really didn't have many counter moves compared to all the others, but was very powerful with the spinning pile driver. I had everybody else mastered, I was good with him, but still struggled at times.
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Jiggly can fall fast if you want him too and his multiple jumps meant that any floating he did do could be controlled.

I played the game a hell of alot and 90% of the time with random character select. It really lets you learn well which charcaters are and aren't good.

Mewtwo is the worst Character after Bowser. Even worse than Pichu.
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Pichu = suck, I'll agree. I can kick some behind with Bowser, must of the time. You just have to know exactly how far his spikiness protrudes. Man, I hope Brawl does online well. I will totally learn the ins and outs of the game so that I can contend in online matches.
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#53 NECR0CHILD313
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lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


There is alot more the SSBM than button mashing. SSB takes something from classic Konami, easy to pick up, difficult to master.
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#54 TekkenMaster606
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Any character from Time Killers.
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#55 Socrates88
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?NECR0CHILD313


There is alot more the SSBM than button mashing. SSB takes something from classic Konami, easy to pick up, difficult to master.

You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?
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#56 cakeorrdeath
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[QUOTE="NECR0CHILD313"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


There is alot more the SSBM than button mashing. SSB takes something from classic Konami, easy to pick up, difficult to master.

You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.
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Super Smash God Melee. Such ownage. 8)
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#58 Socrates88
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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.
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[QUOTE="casinater"]how about Falco from SSBM.....lolJandurin
Pfft. He just had a weird looseness. I'd say Ness or Mewtwo long before Falco.

I was about to mention mewtwo, If you get the hang of Mewtwo he can really kick ass. Also Guile from streetfighter was tricky to use but when used well he'd "sonic boom" your ass.
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#60 NECR0CHILD313
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[QUOTE="NECR0CHILD313"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


There is alot more the SSBM than button mashing. SSB takes something from classic Konami, easy to pick up, difficult to master.

You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Did you miss something? I said easy to pick up, as in nearly no learning curve. Difficult to master. Can you wavedash/Shffl reliably? I've had the game for 4+ years, and I still have some trouble with many of the advanced techniques.
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#61 cakeorrdeath
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.



What?

Now only kids play SSB? come on!:roll:

Even if that were true all that says is that SSB is easy to get into, not that it lacks depth or is easy to master.
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#62 Ptolemaueus
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Jigglypuff.
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#63 DireToad
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It doesn't matter how good of an Ivy player someone is, I'll still destroy them with my Taki.
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#64 kage_53
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Dan wins by default since his attacks do little damage to any character. Its too hard to win against anyone. He was better in SFA2 compared to MvC2.

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#65 lord_mordain
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.



Hmmmm....  Such a magnificent argument as to the quality of said game....

But lets see here....

I was like, 12 when Street Fighter came out and I played the hell out of that back then....

And I'll be 26 when SSBB comes out, and I plan to play the hell out of that.....

So yeah, I see your point. :|

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#66 lord_mordain
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Dan wins by default since his attacks do little damage to any character. Its too hard to win against anyone. He was better in SFA2 compared to MvC2.

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[QUOTE="lord_mordain"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.



Hmmmm....  Such a magnificent argument as to the quality of said game....

But lets see here....

I was like, 12 when Street Fighter came out and I played the hell out of that back then....

And I'll be 26 when SSBB comes out, and I plan to play the hell out of that.....

So yeah, I see your point. :|

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Agreed. Though, I'll be 25 when it comes out.
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#68 OhSnapitz
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Akira from VF4. Its crazy.
You have to input the combos so freakkin fast its insane. Or i just suck

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Yea he's a pretty hard character to master.. Hell I could only get out a few strings with him... :?
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Helena from DOA4
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Virtua Fighter is the king of hardcore fighting games how dare you compare it to your kiddy Nintendo garbage with its pathetic amount of moves and repetitive bland gameplay. Think before you type. I'm sure its hard for you to time how long it takes Diddly Doo to throw his poo poo at Goo Goo but that's more a reflection of SSBB players gaming skill than the game's alleged "greatness". I agree with Akira as being the toughest character to master in all the fighting games I've played. He's got enormous power but its hard to use properly. That being said all the VF characters are so perfectly tuned and groomed they each require more skill and dedication to master than any other game.
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#71 NECR0CHILD313
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I'm sure its hard for you to time how long it takes Diddly Doo to throw his poo poo at Goo Goo but that's more a reflection of SSBB players gaming skill than the game's alleged "greatness".JiveT


Yep. The internets have officially failed on me.
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[QUOTE="JiveT"]Virtua Fighter is the king of hardcore fighting games how dare you compare it to your kiddy Nintendo garbage with its pathetic amount of moves and repetitive bland gameplay. Think before you type. I'm sure its hard for you to time how long it takes Diddly Doo to throw his poo poo at Goo Goo but that's more a reflection of SSBB players gaming skill than the game's alleged "greatness". I agree with Akira as being the toughest character to master in all the fighting games I've played. He's got enormous power but its hard to use properly. That being said all the VF characters are so perfectly tuned and groomed they each require more skill and dedication to master than any other game.



Hey, I don't think anyone said that Super Smash Bros = Virtua Fighter in depth and difficulty.  Only that said game HAD depth and difficulty.  So don't worry, you can still be a pompous-ass-Virtua-Fighter-elitist and no one will argue.

Though, when all is said and done, Super Smash Bros >>>>>> Virtua Fighter in fun factor.

Virtua Fighter is just too dry....
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.

True, VF5 and SSMB age difference is apparent. Same with UT players compared to Halo.
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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="casinater"]how about Falco from SSBM.....lolJandurin
Pfft. He just had a weird looseness. I'd say Ness or Mewtwo long before Falco.



Mewtwo isn't hard to master he is just rubbish.

My friend could do some pretty amazing things with Mewtwo.

I'd say Peach and Ness require tyhe most effort to master purely because of the experience needed to learn the right timing for their moves.
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#75 Truewiseblade
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Jigglypuff.Ptolemaueus
Far from it. Jiggly's a lot easier than Ness to master. Rollout and rest are tricky, but once you nail that ishe's easy to use. Even Ness' recovery move is complicated.
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[QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="cakeorrdeath"][QUOTE="Socrates88"] You saying SSBM has a learning curve deep as real 3d-2d fighters?



Yes.

It's a great game, but no where near the depth for other fighters. Just look at the age bracket that plays SSBM to 2d-3d fighters.



What?

Now only kids play SSB? come on!:roll:

Even if that were true all that says is that SSB is easy to get into, not that it lacks depth or is easy to master.

hmmm..I didn't mean the game was kiddy or the 2d-3d fighters are for adults. I play SSBM. I'm saying it's easy for a 7-12 year old to master SSBM than Tekken or VF. This is why more young adults like SSBM more than Tekken or Street Fighter. I was at EVO2k4 and saw this first hand. There were more kids in the SSBM tourny than any other tournament.
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#77 ToScA-
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[QUOTE="ToScA-"]Anna, in Tekken 5. I suck so amazingly much with her.Socrates88
You think she's a hard character to master, or you think you suck at using her?

It's a fugly mixture of both really :(

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#78 laughingman42
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SSBM requires more finess and timing than any other fighting game ive ever played. not just mashing in huge combos (which is still fu as hell but it takes alot more time and efort to get really good at smash bros than something like SC2)

but i think fox's shinewave shorthop down A infinite cornering combo is the single hardest combo to pull off consistantly

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lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="ToScA-"]Anna, in Tekken 5. I suck so amazingly much with her.ToScA-

You think she's a hard character to master, or you think you suck at using her?

It's a fugly mixture of both really :(



The thing I love about Nina and Anna is that who is the villian, and who is the hero?
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Fulgore of KI2

Zangief

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Zangief I could never do that spin pile driver
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#83 Socrates88
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?edeasknight


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.
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#84 duh555
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i might sound weird but Jigglypuff is hella hard to master in SSBM. I swear that One-Hit-Ko she has is killer if you can time it right,sadly i can only time it on larger people like bowser and DK
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i am awesome with voldo cept at defense
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. I know the first time a picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.

Oh, the game can get very hard against skilled opponents, that's for sure. Button mashing can take care of mediocre-average opponents, if you're generally good at games. But, mastering it is something else entirely.
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.
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SF II: Zangief and Balrog

SF III: Q and Sean

Tekken: Kazuya and Heihachi

VF: Akira and Goh

Overall: Akira

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#89 Socrates88
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[QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?edeasknight


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.

I'm not claiming to be a SSBM pro, but I am a fighter pro. and I can tell the difference in a deep learning curve and something superficial. I would like to see you win button mashing in VF, Tekken, Street Fighter 3: TS. If you can, You are a god.
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Brad Wong from Dead or Alive 3 & 4. But if you do master him, you can be the most annoying guy in the world to fight.
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#91 Hoffgod
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.

I'm not claiming to be a SSBM pro, but I am a fighter pro. and I can tell the difference in a deep learning curve and something superficial. I would like to see you win button mashing in VF, Tekken, Street Fighter 3: TS. If you can, You are a god.

You can against less skilled opponents. I know. I've done it before. Soul Calibur, Street Fighter 2, you can button mash your way to mediocrity, just like in Super Smash Bros Melee. But in melee if you're up against a tallented competitor, it requires much more skill than just button mashing. For example, I play as Peach. She has some killer moves, but is at a major disadvantage against long-range fighters like Marth and fast players like Shiek. I could take a more passive defensive approach, but Peach's greatest strength is her ability to deal great damage when in close, so that takes away my greatest strength. Finding that balance in how you approach an opponent is just as challenging if not more so, in my mind, as memorizing which buttons to press and how to swivel on the d-pad in order to activate a shoryuken.
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#92 laughingman42
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.

I'm not claiming to be a SSBM pro, but I am a fighter pro. and I can tell the difference in a deep learning curve and something superficial. I would like to see you win button mashing in VF, Tekken, Street Fighter 3: TS. If you can, You are a god.

I really can see how you would think its not that deep because its not the same kind of depth that a traditional fighter has. Its alot more about timing and finess.

Have you actually everseen someone really skilled play SSBM?

*goes to find a video*

this one looks cool

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZDRzPKGWFQ&mode=related&search=

tell me if you think youcan do that button mashing

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#93 edeasknight
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.

I'm not claiming to be a SSBM pro, but I am a fighter pro. and I can tell the difference in a deep learning curve and something superficial. I would like to see you win button mashing in VF, Tekken, Street Fighter 3: TS. If you can, You are a god.



i can against people of around my skill level. my friends girlfriend routinely beats him at tekken with button mashing. individuals skill levels make all the difference in fighting games. here, lets do an experiment: take two complete fighting game newbies, tell one some moves and tell the other one to mash buttons. who will win i wonder?
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#94 007ybse04
Member since 2005 • 1120 Posts

Tiger Loaaaaaaade

Ramon - King of Fighters 2002

He become very dangerous as soon as you know all moves.

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#95 Gamingcucumber
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.

I dare you to complete all the 51 events by simply button mash. Or why not challange a friend who has somewhat knowledge in SSBM and try to win with simply button mash?

Ironicly Tekken etc are the games you could easily win by button mash or doing cheap moves over and over again. Dodging place a MUCH bigger role in Super Smash than in any other fighting game. You also benefit from using your high flying combos, weapons and surroundings more than in any other fighting game.

You can't simply tap in an effective combo, you have to create one from scratch yourself.

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#96 nomy_129
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guile (SF) and Lei ( Tekken )
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#97 Socrates88
Member since 2007 • 1655 Posts
I'm out of my element. Too actually see people say SSBM is on the level of complexity as Tekken, SF, and VF is beyond me. Again, I'm in the wrong place to say it's not. So, Agree to disagree.
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#98 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Dude, that movie of SSBM made me realize just how much I hate wall-huggers, or whatever that's called.
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#99 Can-o-Mark
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[QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"][QUOTE="edeasknight"][QUOTE="Socrates88"]lol at SSBM. How can button mashing be hard?Socrates88


this, friends, is a prime example of a man who doesnt know what hes talking about

Well, I'm wrong. The first time I picked up SSBM I was winning by button mashing. I don't know really. It could've been my friends sux or the game was too easy to play. Or a mixture of both.



or maybe its simply because you and your friends arent any good at SSBM. you can pick up any fighting game and play against other similarly unskilled players and win by button mashing.

I'm not claiming to be a SSBM pro, but I am a fighter pro. and I can tell the difference in a deep learning curve and something superficial. I would like to see you win button mashing in VF, Tekken, Street Fighter 3: TS. If you can, You are a god.



I actually have beaten good players in Tekken and DOA by button mashing. In SSBM I get beaten off the platform 3 times before I can do it once to some friends of mine.
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I'm out of my element. Too actually see people say SSBM is on the level of complexity as Tekken, SF, and VF is beyond me. Again, I'm in the wrong place to say it's not. So, Agree to disagree.Socrates88

Hey,you're the one that thinks SSBM is about button mashing.:|It's very complex and hard to master.