Most milked Franchise: Mario or Final Fantasy?

We all know companys make sequels to there existing games. However, some studios take that a step farther. Thus the term milking is used. I chose the two biggest offenders of this crime: the Mario franchise and the FF Franchise. Mario has had so many spin offs and games ive lost count. (for gods sake they have Mario Golf) and theres like 13 games Final Fantasy games coming out this year. So the question is, whos worse?

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id have 2 say mario

final fantasy by far, every game has the exact same boring randombattled gameplay and they've remade the 2d ones literally like thrice each.

mario's gameplay may not change much, but it doesn't get old, and the only remakes i've seen were for game boy.

blasphemy! the true mario games are easily some of the best games of all time.

FF: attack: fight, enemy: fight, attack: fight, enemy: fight, attack: cure, enemy: fight, attack: fight, enemy: dies, gain x exp, lv up, repeat, for 12 consecutive fricking games.

Mario DDR

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Ask again after FFCC(not crystal chronicals, but 200 in roman) releases.

Seriously, I bet the 300th Mario game will be released before the 8th generation.

This is SW you should of had Halo too and Sims for pc.

I'd have to say Mario, even though true Mario games are only released once every generation.kniveshurt18

Because of the sports games I'd have to say Mario. The main games are few and far between, most of which have unique gameplay aspects. If it was just about the mainstream games, I'd say FF. However, the many Mario spin-offs are actually quite good games, so can it really be called milking when the quality is so consistant?

Neither. Pokemon is by far the most milked franchise, there is no diffrence at all between the pokemon games and they force you to buy two to really "get the full experience".dlp21

hmm on the one hand the later mario games have been ok. but have have had their share of bad ones. and even though there is less ff titles, they are all the suck. so with the ff franchise's inability to make any good games since ff IX, i'd have to say that they are the evil ones.NaiKoN9293

Mario Party (Insert #1-8), Mario (Insert sport here), Mario Kart (Insert system name/other name), Mario Sunshine, Super Mario 64 remake, Dr Mario, Mario Pinball, Princess Peach games, Luigi's Mansion, Yoshi's, and the dozens of other spinoffs say otherwise.

How many Final Fantasy 1-12 scored under AAA?

Anyone who doesn't say Mario has no worldly knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I'm not going to count it but it says over 200 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_titles

Counted. 51 games. Unless I counted wrong. Including compilations and blah blah.

Over 200 vs 51. Don't joke please!

Anyone who doesn't say Mario has no worldly knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I'm not going to count it but it says over 200 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_titles

Counted. 51 games. Unless I counted wrong. Including compilations and blah blah.

Over 200 vs 51. Don't joke please!

NobuoMusicMaker

a lot of the early ones don't count because they are Donkey Kong, and even if jumpman was in the game I wouldn't count it as a mario game. They even list Punchout!!!

Actually, I'd say FF is the most milked, because the Mario games are all unique, whereas FF is fairly similar.Tylendal

What as in most are RPG titles? The main franchise games take around 3+ yrs to make. I hardly call that milking, and they're really not all that similar for being in a "franchise". If you were to say there is milking going on with the "remakes" and "spinoffs" (or even the fact that they used the franchise name on non-FF titles back on the GB) I would agree, but I don't think the main franchise is all that similar.

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Anyone who doesn't say Mario has no worldly knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I'm not going to count it but it says over 200 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_titles

Counted. 51 games. Unless I counted wrong. Including compilations and blah blah.

Over 200 vs 51. Don't joke please!

xXtheabombXx

a lot of the early ones don't count because they are Donkey Kong, and even if jumpman was in the game I wouldn't count it as a mario game. They even list Punchout!!!

Lol whatever you say will still only shave off... not enough to bring it under 200.

[QUOTE="xXtheabombXx"][QUOTE="NobuoMusicMaker"]

Anyone who doesn't say Mario has no worldly knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I'm not going to count it but it says over 200 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_titles

Counted. 51 games. Unless I counted wrong. Including compilations and blah blah.

Over 200 vs 51. Don't joke please!

NobuoMusicMaker

a lot of the early ones don't count because they are Donkey Kong, and even if jumpman was in the game I wouldn't count it as a mario game. They even list Punchout!!!

Lol whatever you say will still only shave off... not enough to bring it under 200.

blasphemy! the true mario games are easily some of the best games of all time.

FF: attack: fight, enemy: fight, attack: fight, enemy: fight, attack: cure, enemy: fight, attack: fight, enemy: dies, gain x exp, lv up, repeat, for 12 consecutive fricking games.

Messer_Partei

*Looks at avatar* ... I'm confused?

Well.. you do know FF "sequels" are not sequels at all right ? But to be fair.. Mario has been around for 2 decades.... so.... it's not a fair comparison i'm afraid.. aaron5829

And so has FF, they just released their 20th anniversary editions for the PSP :|

If we go by the spinoffs, and cameos, Mario by far. If we go by the main series of the games, and how many "sequels" are plaguing these franchises. FF I think has more. Aside from the NES, each other system has had ONE mario game per platform. SMB1, SMB2 (not this U.S. one but the 'hardcore" SMB game never released till All-Stars on the SNES) SMB3, SMW, Yoshi's Island, SML games on GB (think there was three) and SM64, SMS, and SMG, along with NSMB.

Edit: Oh hey, I noticed that's 12 for 12... so they're tied. :P

Well that depends, which spinoffs are you including in the calculations?

Because if you are including them all..Mario, if aren't including most of them then Final Fantasy.

Although unfortunately I have to say Mega Man has been beating them both in the last five years.

Well.. you do know FF "sequels" are not sequels at all right ? But to be fair.. Mario has been around for 2 decades.... so.... it's not a fair comparison i'm afraid.. aaron5829

Final Fantasy has been around for exactly two decades now as well. :|

Anyone who doesn't say Mario has no worldly knowledge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mario_games_by_year

I'm not going to count it but it says over 200 games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Final_Fantasy_titles

Counted. 51 games. Unless I counted wrong. Including compilations and blah blah.

Over 200 vs 51. Don't joke please!

NobuoMusicMaker

Anyways, Mario is the most milked character. Final Fantasy is the most milked franchise.

Mario is by FAR...

He and his buddies have been stamped, molded, written in, and exploited in every facet of consumer products and every genre of game to date. Its not even close... there were mario underwear 20 years ago when I was a kid and since then its only been milked further.

The only market mario hasn't been applied to is fem. hygene and profolactics... and with some of the crazy stuff I've seen from japan it wouldn't shock me to see either with the italian plumber marketing for them.

They are both milked to hell. On the main series FF, spinoffs Mario.

At this point in time FF is the one that is leaving a greater sour taste in my mouth tho, do to SE recent strategy this gen... In any case, this is like arguing wich of the two bad examples is worse...

Between Mario and Final Fantasy, I'd go with Mario as more milked franchise.

Mario is platform game that has yet to really tinker with the formula. Even the story and character remains the same every game and often comes with very minor upgrades.

Final Fantasy on the other hand has always tried to be different with each game. Most RPG franchise would keep their battle engine intacted (Tales of _____ series for example), but Final Fantasy games always tried to do something new, like giving it a job system, materia system, Esper system, etc.

Also Final Fantasy series almost always tried to improve their presentation, almost never re-using characters or world (which is changing now but for over a decade they have been faithfully seperate themselves from previous game), etc etc etc.

Also Mario the character itself was extremely milked as well.

But then again, compared to other franchise's, I'd say neither of them are badly milked.

Think about Street Fighter II. Same game, no graphical upgrade, very minor difference, and I can think of so many different versions of it. Street Fighter II, Street Fighter II champian edition, Street Fighter II turbo, Super Street Fighter II, Street Fighter II hyper edition, Street Fighter II blah blah blah.

Not to mention Mega man still haven't changed much. At least get a new color or something.

And then there is EA and NBA live, Madden, Tiger Woods golf, Fight Night, etc etc etc. All comes with bare minimum changes with full new price tag.

Of course... and there is Pokemon.....

Depends on how you look at it, in reality, only one or two TRUE Mario games are released every gen, while there's a boatload of spinoffs and such. But if you look at Final Fantasy, not only are there going to be 13 in all, but 1-6 have all been remade on handhelds, FF1 has been remade twice, once on the GBA, once on the PSP, making a total of 20 games, and then there's also Tactics, which there will soon be a total of four in all once the DS and PSP versions are released, FF7 snowboarding (yes, this is true), Chocobo Tales, and the party game spin-offs as well.

So if you look at total number of games including spinoffs and remakes, there are more Mario games, but as for main and true games of the franchises, FF isclearly the more milked of the two.

Well, let's put it this way.

Mario's been in over 200 games. There are under 50 final fantasy games.

Mario is the most used franchise in videogames, by far. BY FAR.

Mario tennis, mario golf, mario soccer, mario strikers, mario kart, mario 64, paper mario, mario rpg, super smash brothers, dr. mario, mario teaches typing, mario party....

How can you even compare FF to this ridiculous mario overload? this franchise spreads like a disease, it's everywhere, and otherwise mediocre games get huge boosts off the mario name!