Motion sensor controls does not make a system great

This is why we use gamespot for our opinions. To avoid the conflict of that 1 person in the world with the wild claim of BS on a game clearly not ment for something. Since the begining ot systemwars, it's been declared that your opinion, that guy's opinion, most people opinions, are meaningless in terms of gmaespot, and says this:
"For the most part, the controls have a great feel to them and could make a believer out of you if you're still on the fence about the Wii Remote."There will always exsist the possibuility, kid, but that doesn't mean it means anything. We center our opinions on 1 site for a reason, to cut the crap and confusion of BSpossibuilities like this.kittykatz5k

Another entirely valid view point. You cannot disprove the facts about systems. HOWEVER, don't for a second think that facts can prove or disprove an opinion. Technical aspects can never disprove someone saying, "I prefer the art style of Odin Sphere". Sure the 360 is more graphically advanced, but that still can't prove him wrong.Vandalvideo

but we're talking about the wii as innovative controller here so we are trying to prove or disprove the facts about the systems.People who buy the wii assumeit will produce gameplay that a standard controller would have trouble duplicating. Same for the 360, as people buy the system because they enjoy those extremely precise, smooth graphics (among other things of course). I'll agree that those same 360 owners will not necessarily lement that they dont have a wiimote, just as lots of wii owners dont regret the graphical disparity that others care so much about.

i dont know, do you think the wiimote is anything? Everyone could agree that the 360 has a power advantage, which opens the doors to more possibilities for visuals than the wii could do (if all other variables are the same, eg, art style). In a similar vein, is there something that the wiimote can do that a standard controller cannot?

Trauma center is about 2 things, accuracy and speed, Why do you say accuracy does not matter?kittykatz5k

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couldn't someone say Fact. Trauma Center could not reach the same kind of control fidelity on a standard controller?

Vandalvideo

one could say you can do geow on wii. it wouldn't have as great graphics. but that doesn't prove that geow can not possiblely ever be done on lesser hardware.

and it's not just accuracy but also it's a closer representation of the real thing purely on a physical level.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]This is why we use gamespot for our opinions. To avoid the conflict of that 1 person in the world with the wild claim of BS on a game clearly not ment for something. Since the begining ot systemwars, it's been declared that your opinion, that guy's opinion, most people opinions, are meaningless in terms of gmaespot, and says this:
"For the most part, the controls have a great feel to them and could make a believer out of you if you're still on the fence about the Wii Remote."There will always exsist the possibuility, kid, but that doesn't mean it means anything. We center our opinions on 1 site for a reason, to cut the crap and confusion of BSpossibuilities like this.Vandalvideo

Fact, it can't be done with as much speed or fluidity and would require an EXTREMELY editted game just to simply get past the second level so you can run it.

but we're talking about the wii as innovative controller here so we are trying to prove or disprove the facts about the systems.People who buy the wii assumeit will produce gameplay that a standard controller would have trouble duplicating. Same for the 360, as people buy the system because they enjoy those extremely precise, smooth graphics (among other things of course). I'll agree that those same 360 owners will not necessarily lement that they dont have a wiimote, just as lots of wii owners dont regret the graphical disparity that others care so much about. i dont know, do you think the wiimote is anything? Everyone could agree that the 360 has a power advantage, which opens the doors to more possibilities for visuals than the wii could do (if all other variables are the same, eg, art style). In a similar vein, is there something that the wiimote can do that a standard controller cannot?GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]This is why we use gamespot for our opinions. To avoid the conflict of that 1 person in the world with the wild claim of BS on a game clearly not ment for something. Since the begining ot systemwars, it's been declared that your opinion, that guy's opinion, most people opinions, are meaningless in terms of gmaespot, and says this:
"For the most part, the controls have a great feel to them and could make a believer out of you if you're still on the fence about the Wii Remote."There will always exsist the possibuility, kid, but that doesn't mean it means anything. We center our opinions on 1 site for a reason, to cut the crap and confusion of BSpossibuilities like this.kittykatz5k

Fact, it can't be done with as much speed or fluidity and would require an EXTREMELY editted game just to simply get past the second level so you can run it.

Trauma center is about 2 things, accuracy and speed, Why do you say accuracy does not matter?

kittykatz5k

edit: oh, you said this already! never mind

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

couldn't someone say Fact. Trauma Center could not reach the same kind of control fidelity on a standard controller?

Ontain

one could say you can do geow on wii. it wouldn't have as great graphics. but that doesn't prove that geow can not possiblely ever be done on lesser hardware.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]This is why we use gamespot for our opinions. To avoid the conflict of that 1 person in the world with the wild claim of BS on a game clearly not ment for something. Since the begining ot systemwars, it's been declared that your opinion, that guy's opinion, most people opinions, are meaningless in terms of gmaespot, and says this:
"For the most part, the controls have a great feel to them and could make a believer out of you if you're still on the fence about the Wii Remote."There will always exsist the possibuility, kid, but that doesn't mean it means anything. We center our opinions on 1 site for a reason, to cut the crap and confusion of BSpossibuilities like this.Vandalvideo

Fact, it can't be done with as much speed or fluidity and would require an EXTREMELY editted game just to simply get past the second level so you can run it.

Oh yes I can. FPS's are far more than accuracy and speed. Only games like counter-strike use systems like that, and we all know which version of counter-strike was better. In things like halo, it's mroe about stratagy, and knowing hte map than speed and accuracy.

That is your statment, right? That it this is possible because FPS's were possible, right?

I am willing to say one thing. The potential exists for something to be doen on the Wii that cannot be done to any extent on a standard controller. However, we haven't reached that stage yet.Vandalvideo

re-edit: any generally assumed "wii" heavy game like wiisports or trauma centerd

Oh yes I can. FPS's are far more than accuracy and speed. Only games like counter-strike use systems like that, and we all know which version of counter-strike was better. In things like halo, it's mroe about stratagy, and knowing hte map than speed and accuracy.kittykatz5k

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Oh yes I can. FPS's are far more than accuracy and speed. Only games like counter-strike use systems like that, and we all know which version of counter-strike was better. In things like halo, it's mroe about stratagy, and knowing hte map than speed and accuracy.Vandalvideo

You said it's possible to hold a just as good version of the game, that's not possible by slamming the game with so many restrictions. Some time now, yuou've gatta throw away this "one person" terhy and start using common sense.

>You said it's possible to hold a just as good version of the game, that's not possible by slamming the game with so many restrictions. Some time now, yuou've gatta throw away this "one person" terhy and start using common sense.kittykatz5k

As long as the possibility of someone that believes its better exists, then it can be the better version. An opinion is not fact sir.Vandalvideo

You want evidence, I do to, tlel me how a dumbed down, slowed down, hard interface makes the game just as good? No "It's my opnionZ" crap, tell me why it is so. It will alwaysbe possible, just like gears of war is possible on wii, you'd just need to destroy everything that makes the game so awesome.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] As long as the possibility of someone that believes its better exists, then it can be the better version. An opinion is not fact sir.kittykatz5k

You want evidence, I do to, tlel me how a dumbed down, slowed down, hard interface makes the game just as good? No "It's my opnionZ" crap, tell me why it is so.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] As long as the possibility of someone that believes its better exists, then it can be the better version. An opinion is not fact sir.Vandalvideo

You want evidence, I do to, tlel me how a dumbed down, slowed down, hard interface makes the game just as good? No "It's my opnionZ" crap, tell me why it is so.

And thus to avoid contraversy like this "IMO" we use reviews. Now, most to every review said this game is not possible on a normal controller, present me one that tells me is it possible. Present me a decent named reviewer who says this game is possible on other controllers and can be just as good.

And thus to avoid contraversy like this "IMO" we use reviews. Now, most to every review said this game is not possible on a normal controller, present me one that tells me is it possible.kittykatz5k

Once again, I've already proven how it is possible. Anything further like "not as good" is mere opinion that holds no grounds against my fact. You can keep spewing your opinion as much as you want. There is always an anti-thesis. Thats the beauty of an opinion. As long as that possibility exists, my arguement stands.Vandalvideo

You havn't presented me any reviewer. There are millions of peoples opinions who will believe anything,but in systemwars, it's those people labeled "reviewers" that we care about. Now, present me a reviewer who says this, NOW.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Once again, I've already proven how it is possible. Anything further like "not as good" is mere opinion that holds no grounds against my fact. You can keep spewing your opinion as much as you want. There is always an anti-thesis. Thats the beauty of an opinion. As long as that possibility exists, my arguement stands.kittykatz5k

You havn't presented me any reviewer. There are millions of peoples opinions who will believe anything,but in systemwars, it's those people labeled "reviewers" that we care about. Now, present me a reviewer who says this, NOW.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Once again, I've already proven how it is possible. Anything further like "not as good" is mere opinion that holds no grounds against my fact. You can keep spewing your opinion as much as you want. There is always an anti-thesis. Thats the beauty of an opinion. As long as that possibility exists, my arguement stands.Vandalvideo

You havn't presented me any reviewer. There are millions of peoples opinions who will believe anything,but in systemwars, it's those people labeled "reviewers" that we care about. Now, present me a reviewer who says this, NOW.

It's systemwars regulation that REVIEWS are the official word on games. Don't lik,e it, LEAVE. Now ,present your evidence or you have lost.

We had to set this up because obviously, opinions on gmaes will varry a lot, os thus gamespot reviews are cetnered as the base to give us 1 solid unbias word on games.

It's systemwars regulation that REVIEWS are the official word on games. Don't lik,e it, LEAVE. Now ,present your evidence or you have lost.kittykatz5k

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It's systemwars regulation that REVIEWS are the official word on games. Don't lik,e it, LEAVE. Now ,present your evidence or you have lost.Vandalvideo

Accept in system wars. There are far far too many opinions on games, adn to give us a solid base as to what's right and wrong, we use reviews, spesifically gamespot ones, to determine the quality of a game. Becasue they give us solid reasons and unbias veiws. Your faceless dislike twords wii obviously makes you an unsolid base for opinions on it's games, and my love of wii makes it na unsolid base of it's games.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It's systemwars regulation that REVIEWS are the official word on games. Don't lik,e it, LEAVE. Now ,present your evidence or you have lost.kittykatz5k

Accept in system wars. There are far far too many opinions on games, adn to give us a solid base as to what's right and wrong, we use reviews, spesifically gamespot ones, to determine the quality of a game. Becasue they give us solid reasons and unbias veiws. Your faceless dislike twords wii obviously makes you an unsolid base for opinions on it's games, and my love of wii makes it na unsolid base of it's games.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It's systemwars regulation that REVIEWS are the official word on games. Don't lik,e it, LEAVE. Now ,present your evidence or you have lost.Vandalvideo

Accept in system wars. There are far far too many opinions on games, adn to give us a solid base as to what's right and wrong, we use reviews, spesifically gamespot ones, to determine the quality of a game. Becasue they give us solid reasons and unbias veiws. Your faceless dislike twords wii obviously makes you an unsolid base for opinions on it's games, and my love of wii makes it na unsolid base of it's games.

Your opinion still stands, but any hope you have of using this in systemwars is impossible without a review to agree with you.

Your opinion still stands, but any hope you have of using this in systemwars is impossible without a review to agree with you.kittykatz5k

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Your opinion still stands, but any hope you have of using this in systemwars is impossible without a review to agree with you.Vandalvideo

A review is a glorified opinion that does not outweight my own.

Have you read everything I've said? *shakes head*

This is systemwars, I've been explaining now a while thatthe paid person on the site you are posting on with little to no bias and a who has not only played the games but has played them through all the way, outweighs your opinion every time. Listen up and listen well, you are not significant here, I am not significant here, who is significant is the people paid to run and review for the site. If you cannot accept that, then you should leave systemwars right now.

This is the truth of systemwars and how it is.

This is what I love about SW. Start off talking about one topic, then completely spiral out of control into another topic. From motion controls to facts and opinions. Weird huh?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]Your opinion still stands, but any hope you have of using this in systemwars is impossible without a review to agree with you.kittykatz5k

A review is a glorified opinion that does not outweight my own.

Have you read everything I've said? *shakes head*

This is systemwars, I've been explaining now a while thatthe paid person on the site you are posting on with little to no bias and a who has not only played the games but has played them through all the way, outweighs your opinion every time. Listen up and listen well, you are not significant here, I am not significant here, who is significant is the people paid to run and review for the site. If you cannot accept that, then you should leave systemwars right now.

This is the truth of systemwars and how it is.

If you are truly not significant than your opinion that it would be better is also no significant. Look, opinions cannot be disproven. My opinion is just as valid.Vandalvideo

No, it is not my opinion, it is how system wars is, kid. There's plenty you can do, but without a single reviewer to support you, I'm afraid it does not count. Reviewers are big because they're paid, you know they've actually played teh game their tlaking about all the way through, they anylize, and they tell us a for the most part unbias'd opinion based on waht the game is.

You are insignificant because you can't even prove you played trauma cetner all the way through, you can't tell me you've anylized it, and you can't show me a veiw of unbias'd. Gamespot is a bunch of paid writers and gamers, you are a random forumer with anger and something against the system, I ama random forumer with a liking twords wii and possibly too much liking twords it, thus I cannot present a full opinion, but gamespot can.

We use these as a piller, because without a piller, I could say elebits is just as fun and wlel made as gears of war, even though it isn't.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]If you are truly not significant than your opinion that it would be better is also no significant. Look, opinions cannot be disproven. My opinion is just as valid.kittykatz5k

No, it is not my opinion, it is how system wars is, kid. There's plenty you can do, but without a single reviewer to support you, I'm afraid it does not count. Reviewers are big because they're paid, you know they've actually played teh game their tlaking about all the way through, they anylize, and they tell us a for the most part unbias'd opinion.

You are insignificant because you can't even prove you played trauma cetner all the way through, you can't tell me you've anylized it, and you can't show me a veiw of unbias'd. Gamespot is a bunch of paid writers and gamers, you are a random forumer with anger and something against the system, I ama random forumer with a liking twords wii and possibly too much liking twords it, thus I cannot present a full opinion, but gamespot can.

We use these as a pilla, because without a pillar, I could say elebits is just as fun and wlel made as gears of war, even though it isn't.

So the best original game to make good use of the Wiimote, judging by this thread,is Trauma Center.

Oh, boy. Let me run right out there to get this ultra-exciting game.

GodHatesYankees

You should really stop posting in your thread if you are going to start acting like this. The more you post in this topic, the more you are beginning to sound like a fanboy Wii-hater. And that's fine, you can hate the Wii all you want, but it doesn't help your argument at all.

A person who wishes to make a valid argument does not need to sound as if he has a vendetta against what he is arguing against. Just some advice.

You can keep telling yourself that reviews matter, but end the end they are mere opinoins. A glorified opinion DOES NOT make something fact. End of story. It is NOT a fact that it would be worse on a standard controller. Its an opinion.Vandalvideo

In systemwars, it is a fact. In systemwars, it is fact that gears of war is greater than elebits, it is a fact that trauma center controls cannot be done on a normal controller, it is a fact becasue it must be. Accept for math and science, nothing in this world is a fact, but we must solidify ssome stuff as fact because there is no better way of dealing with it, and this is what's claled common sense.

Put an infinite number of monkeys on an infinite number of typewriters and we'll get a script for hamlet eventually, but taht does not mean a monkey can write a great play.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You can keep telling yourself that reviews matter, but end the end they are mere opinoins. A glorified opinion DOES NOT make something fact. End of story. It is NOT a fact that it would be worse on a standard controller. Its an opinion.kittykatz5k

In systemwars, it is a fact. In systemwars, it is fact that gears of war is greater than elebits, it is a fact that trauma center controls cannot be done on a normal controller, it is a fact becasue it must be. Accept for math and science, nothing in this world is a fact, but we must solidify ssome stuff as fact because there is no better way of dealing with it, and this is what's claled common sense.

Put an infinite number ofmonkeys on an infinite number of typewriters and we'll get a script for hamlet eventually, but taht does not mena a monkey can wright a great play.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] You can keep telling yourself that reviews matter, but end the end they are mere opinoins. A glorified opinion DOES NOT make something fact. End of story. It is NOT a fact that it would be worse on a standard controller. Its an opinion.Vandalvideo

In systemwars, it is a fact. In systemwars, it is fact that gears of war is greater than elebits, it is a fact that trauma center controls cannot be done on a normal controller, it is a fact becasue it must be. Accept for math and science, nothing in this world is a fact, but we must solidify ssome stuff as fact because there is no better way of dealing with it, and this is what's claled common sense.

Put an infinite number ofmonkeys on an infinite number of typewriters and we'll get a script for hamlet eventually, but taht does not mena a monkey can wright a great play.

It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.

It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.kittykatz5k

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.Vandalvideo

Your opinion holds no weight in systemwars, just remember that, kid. Remember that well before you make a fool of yourself... again. Without others opinions to back you up, you are a sevear minority.

Motostorm with ps3 motion turned on

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.kittykatz5k

Your opinion holds no weight in systemwars, just remember that, kid. Remember that well before you make a fool of yourself... again. Without others opinions to back you up, you are a sevear minority.

well in my opinion his opinion holds a lot of weight ... lol sry i dun even knwo wut u guys are talking about ne more...lol

Before this gen is over, I imagine every genre will be improved in some form or fashion with motion controls, except arcade fighting.

By nature, arcade fighting games move in a fashion that's too fast for actual humans to move, and thus you can't recreate it and expect people to keep up. So a new genre of simulated fighting should poke up sooner or later. That would be the single best innovation to fighting games since Street Fighter.

[QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.JAMES_L_BROOKS

Your opinion holds no weight in systemwars, just remember that, kid. Remember that well before you make a fool of yourself... again. Without others opinions to back you up, you are a sevear minority.

well in my opinion his opinion holds a lot of weight ... lol sry i dun even knwo wut u guys are talking about ne more...lol

Hes' saying that the game trauma center, can have controls just as good on a console anolog button layout and have the game be just as fun. I brought up no opinion in the world agrees with you and he started crying about how his review on a game he hasn't even played, how his opinion to all of that, ment more than 10,000 reviewers..

[QUOTE="JAMES_L_BROOKS"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.kittykatz5k

Your opinion holds no weight in systemwars, just remember that, kid. Remember that well before you make a fool of yourself... again. Without others opinions to back you up, you are a sevear minority.

well in my opinion his opinion holds a lot of weight ... lol sry i dun even knwo wut u guys are talking about ne more...lol

Hes' saying that the game trauma center, can have controls just as good on a console anolog button layout and have the game be just as fun. I brought up no opinion in the world agrees with you and he started crying about how his review on a game he hasn't even played, how his opinion to all of that, ment more than 10,000 reviewers..

lol i dont even knwo what to say but... "you killed a helicopter with a car!" live free or die hard... lol AMAZING movie a must see...

[QUOTE="GodHatesYankees"]

So the best original game to make good use of the Wiimote, judging by this thread,is Trauma Center.

Oh, boy. Let me run right out there to get this ultra-exciting game.

TreyoftheDead

You should really stop posting in your thread if you are going to start acting like this. The more you post in this topic, the more you are beginning to sound like a fanboy Wii-hater. And that's fine, you can hate the Wii all you want, but it doesn't help your argument at all.

A person who wishes to make a valid argument does not need to sound as if he has a vendetta against what he is arguing against. Just some advice.

I don't need your advice. Thanks for wasting your time.

It is a valid point.

POINT: If Trauma Center is the only game that utilizes the Wii to it's full potential, then what does that say about the Wii as a gaming system?

Contribute to the topic instead of giving lame advice.

But what topic? It's been dominated by these two guys arguing about opinion and fact.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="kittykatz5k"]It is an opinion, but a far more weighted opinion than your opinion for several obvious reasons you'd know IF you had read everything. Your opinion on if trauma center is possible is baseless without ANYONE to agree with you. I don't care if some guy somewhere at some secret russian base or ancient chinese temple may think that, present to me someone who matters that can agree.kittykatz5k

Your opinion holds no weight in systemwars, just remember that, kid. Remember that well before you make a fool of yourself... again. Without others opinions to back you up, you are a sevear minority.

Stop calling him a kid, it makes you look foolish, not superior.

And learn to spell while you're at it too.

[QUOTE="TreyoftheDead"][QUOTE="GodHatesYankees"]

So the best original game to make good use of the Wiimote, judging by this thread,is Trauma Center.

Oh, boy. Let me run right out there to get this ultra-exciting game.

GodHatesYankees

You should really stop posting in your thread if you are going to start acting like this. The more you post in this topic, the more you are beginning to sound like a fanboy Wii-hater. And that's fine, you can hate the Wii all you want, but it doesn't help your argument at all.

A person who wishes to make a valid argument does not need to sound as if he has a vendetta against what he is arguing against. Just some advice.

I don't need your advice. Thanks for wasting your time.

It is a valid point.

POINT: If Trauma Center is the only game that utilizes the Wii to it's full potential, then what does that say about the Wii as a gaming system?

Contribute to the topic instead of giving lame advice.

But what topic? It's been dominated by these two guys arguing about opinion and fact.

I never criticized your point, I simply stated that your tone does not help your argument.

It's all about preference, buddy. Personally, I think the Wii-mote makes Legend of Zelda: TP more enjoyable. One could argue that they would rather use a standard controller, but that doesn't make my preference any less valid. Nor does mine make their preference less valid.

I somewhat agree with your overall point though, the Wii-mote alone does not make the system great. It's a combination of it and the games that are out now and coming out in the future that make the Wii a great system. Once again though, that's just my opinion. :P