MS attempts to hinderGPU devs

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

microsoft has decided they want to patent gpu accelerated video encoding..

in short their trying to cripple the desktop gpu market.. idk what their planning but none of this sounds any fun.. i doubt anyone is willing to let them live down this dumb move..

http://www.conceivablytech.com/3421/business/microsoft-patents-gpu-accelerated-video-encoding/

if your curious as to what this could let them do..

in short ati has been making gpu's that could video encode since the hd 2000 series. and nvidia has been doing it for about the same..

and the very first encoder 9that i know of) would be the badaboom from ages past.

microsoft has the power to sue the pants off amd and nvidia in one swoop for being so "oppressive" and being a violating user of their "patent"

i for one am really upset..

ionusX

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=18642&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=31276&mapcode=consumer

ProjectNatalFan

How does that make MS patenting GPU video encoding a good thing?

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

Filthybastrd

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

And no. They can't easy sue everything

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

alexside1

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

Filthybastrd

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

alexside1

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Windows 7 is only their latest and it's merely what Vista should have been.

DOS needed to go to version 6.2 to become good

Windows needed to go to 3.11

then came Windows 95 --> W98 SE2 and it was also good

then they based Windows 2k on NT and that was ok for an NT based "mainstream" platform I guess. Still took XP a service pack or two to get where it needed to be.

Then we get to Vista...... Screw patching it up to where it needed to be. Let's just release it properly and call it Windows 7 yeah?

We've been getting a more or less monopolized pile of dung every time and then we've been forced to wait for MS to sort their crap out.

Why mention W7 as some sort of redemption? It just exemplifies that they're still doing what they've done since the 80's.

I find it rather funny that they did the exact same thing with the hardware in the 360.

Edit: Ok, Vista is'nt that bad anymore but that does'nt really excuse the fact that they more or less rerelease it as windows 7.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

alexside1

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

And Windows 7 was the sucessor to the Vista, which was heavily criticized by consumers.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Filthybastrd

Windows 7 is only their latest and it's merely what Vista should have been.

DOS needed to go to version 6.2 to become good

Windows needed to go to 3.11

then came Windows 95 --> W98 SE2 and it was also good

then they based Windows 2k on NT and that was ok for an NT based "mainstream" platform I guess. Still took XP a service pack or two to get where it needed to be.

Then we get to Vista...... Screw patching it up to where it needed to be. Let's just release it properly and call it Windows 7 yeah?

We've been getting a more or less monopolized pile of dung every time and then we've been forced to wait for MS to sort their crap out.

Why mention W7 as some sort of redemption? It just exemplifies that they're still doing what they've done since the 80's.

I find it rather funny that they did the exact same thing with the hardware in the 360.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Right..... And your using an OS besides windows? Last time I check, windows 7 was heavly praised by consumers. You think MS got it's money out of then air? alexside1

Windows 7 is only their latest and it's merely what Vista should have been.

DOS needed to go to version 6.2 to become good

Windows needed to go to 3.11

then came Windows 95 --> W98 SE2 and it was also good

then they based Windows 2k on NT and that was ok for an NT based "mainstream" platform I guess. Still took XP a service pack or two to get where it needed to be.

Then we get to Vista...... Screw patching it up to where it needed to be. Let's just release it properly and call it Windows 7 yeah?

We've been getting a more or less monopolized pile of dung every time and then we've been forced to wait for MS to sort their crap out.

Why mention W7 as some sort of redemption? It just exemplifies that they're still doing what they've done since the 80's.

I find it rather funny that they did the exact same thing with the hardware in the 360.

I run Win 7.... There is'nt alternative if I want to use my PC for games. That's called monopoly and I can't vote with my wallet outside of ditching my hobby.

I don't see what you're getting at. You act like I can just go to the competition but it does'nt exist. MS made sure of that with DX among other things.

come on guys lets stop making it personal with MS, they are big business.

This is being blown way out of proportion. MS can't patent troll because of the anti-trust implications; all this means is the applicable companies will have to license the tech.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

Filthybastrd

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Talking about OS, why is that MS just can't make an OS as good as Apple? It is due to proprietary hardware or something?

All the OS from Apple are so fast, smooth and basically free of glitches! When you use an Apple computer for the first time the difference is so huge that you just can't believe how the heck you have been stuck with Windows for such a long time. Even Windows 7 as it is right now it still has many issues and some of them are from way back since Windows 98.

But the sad thing is that I'm studiying Computer Science so, for the time being I'm just stuck with everything Windows (Visual Studio)and I find funny that all my professors hate MS so much too. I'm on my 3 year and I'm yet to hear any positive thing about Windows from any of them.:lol:

try overclocking an apple.

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

microsoft has decided they want to patent gpu accelerated video encoding..

in short their trying to cripple the desktop gpu market.. idk what their planning but none of this sounds any fun.. i doubt anyone is willing to let them live down this dumb move..

http://www.conceivablytech.com/3421/business/microsoft-patents-gpu-accelerated-video-encoding/

if your curious as to what this could let them do..

in short ati has been making gpu's that could video encode since the hd 2000 series. and nvidia has been doing it for about the same..

and the very first encoder 9that i know of) would be the badaboom from ages past.

microsoft has the power to sue the pants off amd and nvidia in one swoop for being so "oppressive" and being a violating user of their "patent"

i for one am really upset..

Filthybastrd

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

I hate MS as much as the next guy but this patent is about video ENcoding, GPU's have been used for a while for video DEcoding. GPU ENcoding has only been around since 2008ish. This patent was filed in 2004.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

Windows 7 is only their latest and it's merely what Vista should have been.

DOS needed to go to version 6.2 to become good

Windows needed to go to 3.11

then came Windows 95 --> W98 SE2 and it was also good

then they based Windows 2k on NT and that was ok for an NT based "mainstream" platform I guess. Still took XP a service pack or two to get where it needed to be.

Then we get to Vista...... Screw patching it up to where it needed to be. Let's just release it properly and call it Windows 7 yeah?

We've been getting a more or less monopolized pile of dung every time and then we've been forced to wait for MS to sort their crap out.

Why mention W7 as some sort of redemption? It just exemplifies that they're still doing what they've done since the 80's.

I find it rather funny that they did the exact same thing with the hardware in the 360.

Filthybastrd

I run Win 7.... There is'nt alternative if I want to use my PC for games. That's called monopoly and I can't vote with my wallet outside of ditching my hobby.

I don't see what you're getting at. You act like I can just go to the competition but it does'nt exist. MS made sure of that with DX among other things.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

Gue1

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Talking about OS, why is that MS just can't make an OS as good as Apple? It is due to proprietary hardware or something?

All the OS from Apple are so fast, smooth and basically free of glitches! When you use an Apple computer for the first time the difference is so huge that you just can't believe how the heck you have been stuck with Windows for such a long time. Even Windows 7 as it is right now it still has many issues and some of them are from way back since Windows 98.

But the sad thing is that I'm studiying Computer Science so, for the time being I'm just stuck with everything Windows (Visual Studio)and I find funny that all my professors hate MS so much too. I'm on my 3 year and I'm yet to hear any positive thing about Windows from any of them.:lol:

I have serious doubts about professors that actually hate windows. No OS is perfect, and OSX is far from glitch free.

this tech will probably be put into a phone and get some godly results. Look for the phone to be the testbed for this tech....

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

[QUOTE="ionusX"]

microsoft has decided they want to patent gpu accelerated video encoding..

in short their trying to cripple the desktop gpu market.. idk what their planning but none of this sounds any fun.. i doubt anyone is willing to let them live down this dumb move..

http://www.conceivablytech.com/3421/business/microsoft-patents-gpu-accelerated-video-encoding/

if your curious as to what this could let them do..

in short ati has been making gpu's that could video encode since the hd 2000 series. and nvidia has been doing it for about the same..

and the very first encoder 9that i know of) would be the badaboom from ages past.

microsoft has the power to sue the pants off amd and nvidia in one swoop for being so "oppressive" and being a violating user of their "patent"

i for one am really upset..

skektek

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

I hate MS as much as the next guy but this patent is about video ENcoding, GPU's have been used for a while for video DEcoding. GPU ENcoding has only been around since 2008ish. This patent was filed in 2004.

That's the thing really. It was granted Oct 12 2010 and has been in use since apr 14 2008. It's entering mainstream by now, so MS should'nt be granted it.

I suspect it won't hold in court anyway.

That's MS getting a patent on something that has been in public use for 2.5 years.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I ask what OS you running currently, not what you think about their OS. People vote with their wallets. MS isn't flawless when it comes to OS but neither other companies.alexside1

I run Win 7.... There is'nt alternative if I want to use my PC for games. That's called monopoly and I can't vote with my wallet outside of ditching my hobby.

I don't see what you're getting at. You act like I can just go to the competition but it does'nt exist. MS made sure of that with DX among other things.

If you have any questions as to whether or not Microsoft is a monopoly get on the horn and speak with the United States department of justice, the European Union, or any of the other major world governments that have acknowledged that Microsoft is a monopoly.

Fun monopoly facts:

-You don't have to have 100% of a market to be a monopoly(trust).

-It is not illegal to have a monopoly.

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I run Win 7.... There is'nt alternative if I want to use my PC for games. That's called monopoly and I can't vote with my wallet outside of ditching my hobby.

I don't see what you're getting at. You act like I can just go to the competition but it does'nt exist. MS made sure of that with DX among other things.

skektek

If you have any questions as to whether or not Microsoft is a monopoly get on the horn and speak with the United States department of justice, the European Union, or any of the other major world governments that have acknowledged that Microsoft is a monopoly.

Fun monopoly facts:

-You don't have to have 100% of a market to be a monopoly(trust).

-It is not illegal to have a monopoly.

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

Gue1

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Talking about OS, why is that MS just can't make an OS as good as Apple? It is due to proprietary hardware or something?

All the OS from Apple are so fast, smooth and basically free of glitches! When you use an Apple computer for the first time the difference is so huge that you just can't believe how the heck you have been stuck with Windows for such a long time. Even Windows 7 as it is right now it still has many issues and some of them are from way back since Windows 98.

But the sad thing is that I'm studiying Computer Science so, for the time being I'm just stuck with everything Windows (Visual Studio)and I find funny that all my professors hate MS so much too. I'm on my 3 year and I'm yet to hear any positive thing about Windows from any of them.:lol:

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

Gue1

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Talking about OS, why is that MS just can't make an OS as good as Apple? It is due to proprietary hardware or something?

All the OS from Apple are so fast, smooth and basically free of glitches! When you use an Apple computer for the first time the difference is so huge that you just can't believe how the heck you have been stuck with Windows for such a long time. Even Windows 7 as it is right now it still has many issues and some of them are from way back since Windows 98.

But the sad thing is that I'm studiying Computer Science so, for the time being I'm just stuck with everything Windows (Visual Studio)and I find funny that all my professors hate MS so much too. I'm on my 3 year and I'm yet to hear any positive thing about Windows from any of them.:lol:

Last time I checked the only good computer OS to come from Apple was OSX, before then it definitely did not have smooth performance and almost no compatability. Apple is so closed off, it may have a decent OS now, but their user base are stuck in their little box of Apple products. MACs almost exclusivly use thier own software save a couple things like Open Office, Microsoft Word etc. but other than that they don't have much to offer. Windows is much more versitile than any Apple OS, even OSX. Also, most Apple users, even OSX users, tend to dual boot with a Windows OS so they can play games and also use software that isn't available for Apple OS's. Before you start arguing by saying "Apple computers don't get viruses, which makes them better!" don't bother. To tell you the truth Apple has almost no protection whatsoever for things like malware, spyware, and viruses. The main reason why people don't compalain about Apple computers getting viruses is because most viruses are made to effect windows and Windows/Linux/Unix servers because they're the majority of the market, and most common users, use a windows based OS. Also, saying that OS's from Apple are free of glitches is utter blasphemy, until OSX all the Apple OS's were riddled with glitches and problems, and before you start calling me a MS fanboy, I most certainly am not. I am just stating the facts, nothing more, nothing less. Another thing, don't bring up Smart Phone OS's into this after reading this, I am clearly talking about computer OS's.

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

Filthybastrd

I hate MS as much as the next guy but this patent is about video ENcoding, GPU's have been used for a while for video DEcoding. GPU ENcoding has only been around since 2008ish. This patent was filed in 2004.

That's the thing really. It was granted Oct 12 2010 and has been in use since apr 14 2008. It's entering mainstream by now, so MS should'nt be granted it.

I suspect it won't hold in court anyway.

That's MS getting a patent on something that has been in public use for 2.5 years.

The patent was filed in 2004. Any prior art that would invalidate the patent would have to come before that date.

[QUOTE="skektek"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Nope, that's called being weak. You can swich to linux and play it's open-source games if you can't live without games. MS isn't point their guns at the heads of the dev to support Direct X, they choose to support it. If MS is a monopoly then why can I buy a mac from my local store.alexside1

If you have any questions as to whether or not Microsoft is a monopoly get on the horn and speak with the United States department of justice, the European Union, or any of the other major world governments that have acknowledged that Microsoft is a monopoly.

Fun monopoly facts:

-You don't have to have 100% of a market to be a monopoly(trust).

-It is not illegal to have a monopoly.

You damn lazy kids can't do anything for yourself :)

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Korea VS MS

Trust lawz

Next time you have an obvious question try this, its free!

MS is not a bad company, I've heard good things about like 98% of what they do. MS does alot of stuff behind the scenes that we dont see. also Apple and Facebook are alot worse, Facebook tired to patent the word Face, and Apple well no need to explain that one

Come on people think. MS cannot patent ALL video encoding or decoding methods. They can only patent the METHOD that they get there. Devs are still free to use or create their own video encoding or decoding software or GPUs.navyguy21

Yeah, the door is wide open for other implementations. This patent uses the CPU and the GPU to encode video, using specific areas of the GPU for specific tasks.

Not to mention that this patent itself may violate MPEG patents or even other GPU assisted processing patents (I am sure NVIDIA, ATI, and Standford have a few).

I have serious doubts about professors that actually hate windows. No OS is perfect, and OSX is far from glitch free.

tempest91

Thats funny, my prof who hated Windows (really hated it) came first in the nation in at least one networking competition, published his own technical books, and was successful as an independent contractor for a decade prior to deciding to join the college's staff.

The current guy I know who despises Windows is by consensus one of the smartest, most adept people in the company (or at least the department I work in) and is in a couple of weeks being promoted to manage the department.

Oh and non-Windows admins make better money than Windows admins to boot. So clearly there is some wisdom in going that route. Doubt all you like, Windows is scorned for several reasons and the vast majority of the time it's NOT because it's popular.

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

I have serious doubts about professors that actually hate windows. No OS is perfect, and OSX is far from glitch free.

Aidenfury19

Thats funny, my prof who hated Windows (really hated it) came first in the nation in at least one networking competition, published his own technical books, and was successful as an independent contractor for a decade prior to deciding to join the college's staff.

The current guy I know who despises Windows is by consensus one of the smartest, most adept people in the company (or at least the department I work in) and is in a couple of weeks being promoted to manage the department.

Oh and non-Windows admins make better money than Windows admins to boot. So clearly there is some wisdom in going that route. Doubt all you like, Windows is scorned for several reasons and the vast majority of the time it's NOT because it's popular.

[QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]

[QUOTE="tempest91"]

I have serious doubts about professors that actually hate windows. No OS is perfect, and OSX is far from glitch free.

psych0mantra

Thats funny, my prof who hated Windows (really hated it) came first in the nation in at least one networking competition, published his own technical books, and was successful as an independent contractor for a decade prior to deciding to join the college's staff.

The current guy I know who despises Windows is by consensus one of the smartest, most adept people in the company (or at least the department I work in) and is in a couple of weeks being promoted to manage the department.

Oh and non-Windows admins make better money than Windows admins to boot. So clearly there is some wisdom in going that route. Doubt all you like, Windows is scorned for several reasons and the vast majority of the time it's NOT because it's popular.

"One of the things that Microsoft is starting to lose out on now, and I'm not sure they realize this yet, is that they still claim Windows administrators are cheaper," Robinson said. "But the flip side of the same coin is that if one of my administrators on a Windows environment can manage only 10 to 15 systems at a time, but my Solaris admin or my NetBSD or my Linux admin can manage 1,000 servers at a time, I need fewer admins. Sure, the salary's more expensive, but I get more life out of them"

-ZDnet

This sort of reminds me of how Pol Pot wanted Cambodia to be as backwards as possible.

Anyhow, thank you Microsoft for standing in the way of development of not only future PCs but future consoles.

[QUOTE="psych0mantra"][QUOTE="Aidenfury19"]

Thats funny, my prof who hated Windows (really hated it) came first in the nation in at least one networking competition, published his own technical books, and was successful as an independent contractor for a decade prior to deciding to join the college's staff.

The current guy I know who despises Windows is by consensus one of the smartest, most adept people in the company (or at least the department I work in) and is in a couple of weeks being promoted to manage the department.

Oh and non-Windows admins make better money than Windows admins to boot. So clearly there is some wisdom in going that route. Doubt all you like, Windows is scorned for several reasons and the vast majority of the time it's NOT because it's popular.

skektek

"One of the things that Microsoft is starting to lose out on now, and I'm not sure they realize this yet, is that they still claim Windows administrators are cheaper," Robinson said. "But the flip side of the same coin is that if one of my administrators on a Windows environment can manage only 10 to 15 systems at a time, but my Solaris admin or my NetBSD or my Linux admin can manage 1,000 servers at a time, I need fewer admins. Sure, the salary's more expensive, but I get more life out of them"

-ZDnet

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=18642&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=31276&mapcode=consumer

ProjectNatalFan

[QUOTE="ProjectNatalFan"]

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=18642&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=31276&mapcode=consumer

king_bobo

It's called the three-headed-monkey defense...

Talking about OS, why is that MS just can't make an OS as good as Apple? It is due to proprietary hardware or something?

All the OS from Apple are so fast, smooth and basically free of glitches! When you use an Apple computer for the first time the difference is so huge that you just can't believe how the heck you have been stuck with Windows for such a long time. Even Windows 7 as it is right now it still has many issues and some of them are from way back since Windows 98.

But the sad thing is that I'm studiying Computer Science so, for the time being I'm just stuck with everything Windows (Visual Studio)and I find funny that all my professors hate MS so much too. I'm on my 3 year and I'm yet to hear any positive thing about Windows from any of them.:lol:

Gue1

Talking from personal experience, I'm a senior IT consultant at a university with 250 Mac's and 560 pc`s to look after.

MAC OSX snow leopard and windows 7 are pretty much equal. When you look at the average of faults under both operating systems they come in around the same.

Visa was a very good OS if you had really good hardware, it was very intensive with what hardware it was installed upon, i found it rock solid on good pricey hardware and bloody awful on cheap hardware.

Hence such a bad rap from many users, particularly ones using lower end kit.

So i would say that i would have to disagree with a majority of what you have said.

I get a lot of students doing IT related degrees that come out with such wild statments, i did a degree many years agobut that does not give you the amount ofcredibility that experience carries.

Also even Charlie Miller the MAC security Guru stated that a window 7 is now more secure than OSX.

MS applied for the patent back in 2004.

The first GPU to do video encoding according to this same article was released in 2008 by Elemental who used Nvidia's Cuda tech. Elemental opened its doors in 2006.

silly MS oh you.

i do wish i had a mac but they are horribly expensive purely cause Garage band is a handy thing and as far as im aware aint avaialbe on windows.

How can MS patent gpu acceleration for video encoding when ATI/AMD already have Stream, nVidia has CUDA and several video-editing apps (Power director, Adobe Premiere Pro, and the latest Roxio suite) already make use of the tech?

MS is not a bad company, I've heard good things about like 98% of what they do. MS does alot of stuff behind the scenes that we dont see. also Apple and Facebook are alot worse, Facebook tired to patent the word Face, and Apple well no need to explain that one

gamer-adam1

M$ in past ripped off IBM and Apple OS, Sun's Java as .Net and Adobe Flash as Silverlight. They are not bad company but they sure know how to screw others behind their back.

M$ in past ripped off IBM and Apple OS, Sun's Java as .Net and Adobe Flash as Silverlight. They are not bad company but they sure know how to screw others behind their back. fun-da-mental

Oh and apple are saints too!! :roll:

Apple "stole" the GUI from Xerox PARC (they actually licensed it) and then Microsoft "stole" it from Apple (though Microsoft licensed GUI tech from both Xerox and Apple). After the release of Windows 2.0, Apple sued Microsoft because they believed that the license agreement only covered Windows 1.0, but Microsoft prevailed in court.

The Finder Sidebar in Mac OS X 10.3 Panther, two years after the Navigation pane appeared in Windows XP.

Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard added an optional Path bar at the bottom of folder windows to display the path of any selected file or folder. This feature first appeared as the Address bar in Windows Vista, which began appearing nearly a year before Leopard shipped.

Microsoft first put the Forward and Back buttons of Web browsers into its folder windows with Windows 2000. Oddly, Apple first included only a Back button in the original Mac OS X. It wasn't until version 10.2 Jaguar that a Forward button appeared.

In Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, Apple added the little-known but useful Screen Sharing program (found in /System/Library/CoreServices/), also usable through iChat. Screen sharing lets you view and control another networked Mac running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger or later. Windows users have had this functionality in Remote Desktop Connection since Windows XP. In fact, Microsoft provided a free Mac version of Remote Desktop Connection before Apple added the functionality to Leopard.

Before Mac OS X, Mac system settings were found in a set of separate files called control panels. Microsoft took the name, but put all the settings in one convenient place. For Mac OS X 10.0 Cheetah, Apple stole Microsoft's idea and called it System Preferences.Unlike the Windows Control Panel, the Mac's System Preferences doesn't open additional windows, and it tends to have a simpler user interface

Since 1990's Windows 3, Alt-Tab has enabled users to easily switch between running applications. Apple added the feature using Command-Tab in Mac OS X 10.3 Panther in 2003.

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How can MS patent gpu acceleration for video encoding when ATI/AMD already have Stream, nVidia has CUDA and several video-editing apps (Power director, Adobe Premiere Pro, and the latest Roxio suite) already make use of the tech?jun_aka_pekto

While there are undoubtedly multiple instances of prior art, Microsoft applied for the patent in 2004, which was before your given examples were using this technology.

Regardless, the patent is ridiculously obvious, and SHOULD NOT have been granted.

Typical Micro$oft, they are by far the greediest most monopolistic evil company on planet earth. Imo anyway.HighScoreBob

See, this is where I disagree. (imo), Microsoft has done some bad moves in the past, but have at least tried to reform itself of late by speaking with hardware manufacturers and developers to implement features in their new OSes to please them isntead of forcing their hand on a subject/change in the OS. On top of that, MS allows their software to be used on a very wide variety of hardware on the market. Apple on the other hand has closed constraints on what hardware works with their OS. Typically, they want you to buy their hardware at an inflated price to run their software only. This is both preventing them from gaining a monopoly, and also prevents them from going mainstream.

Apples OS is smooth because it is designed for very specific hardware. Windows is designed for compatibility with hardware and thus may have glitches because of the shear amount of variety they must accomodate. Apple believes in a closed market where they can control not only the hardware, but also what software is available on their OS. This is very bad when it comes to allowing for expandability and new ideas. Any developer who wants to make a product/application and wants to sell it will make it for Windows first, and then port it to Mac. This is because MAC has a low userbase due to their closed ways.

Windows has produced windows 3.11, 95, 98SE, XP, and 7 as good OSes, where as Apple has produced OSX only (as a good OS). When MS makes an OS that the general public do not like, 90% of this is because of hardware compatibility problems with the OS. Apple does not suffer from this because htey control what hardware they allow their software to run on. It still has glitches in OSX, and virus/malware is completely possible on OSX, but why would a hacker make a virus for the least dominant OS on the market?

I won't say that MS is a perfect company, because they are far from that, but Apple is far worse in almost all instances. Apple has terrible customer support. When a user has a problem with their products, its the USERS fault, not theirs. (IE: iphone 4 loses signal? just don't hold it that way!) If developers are forced to folow Apple's constraints on their OS and iOS then how does the software market expect to expand? If a company such as Google makes an app that allows voice chat over wifi or data plan, why should Apple block that so that they can release their on version and be the sole comapny with that product on the market (for their OS)?

I gotta be honest, people who blindly hate on MS need to look around at the crap the competition is pulling, with OPEN EYES, and they will see that MS is really no different, if not better than their competition in many aspects.

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]How can MS patent gpu acceleration for video encoding when ATI/AMD already have Stream, nVidia has CUDA and several video-editing apps (Power director, Adobe Premiere Pro, and the latest Roxio suite) already make use of the tech?Velocitas8

While there are undoubtedly multiple instances of prior art, Microsoft applied for the patent in 2004, which was before your given examples were using this technology.

Regardless, the patent is ridiculously obvious, and SHOULD NOT have been granted.

Ahhhhhhh. Okay.

There's still a lot to sort out since GPU acceleration on video has been around since Newtek's Video Toaster* for the Amiga back in the early 90's. Whatever MS may get out of this is going to be very narrow in focus.

*The most amazing hardware I've seen for any computer at that time or since.

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I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

alexside1

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

And no. They can't easy sue everything

dude, you better quit while you're ahead, he belongs to HYPE, it's pretty much the same as belonging to the "I love sony" group, and/or "I hate Microsoft" group