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#51 tempest91
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I have serious doubts about professors that actually hate windows. No OS is perfect, and OSX is far from glitch free.

Aidenfury19

Thats funny, my prof who hated Windows (really hated it) came first in the nation in at least one networking competition, published his own technical books, and was successful as an independent contractor for a decade prior to deciding to join the college's staff.

The current guy I know who despises Windows is by consensus one of the smartest, most adept people in the company (or at least the department I work in) and is in a couple of weeks being promoted to manage the department.

Oh and non-Windows admins make better money than Windows admins to boot. So clearly there is some wisdom in going that route. Doubt all you like, Windows is scorned for several reasons and the vast majority of the time it's NOT because it's popular.

That's pretty funny, because hating an OS is just not a worthwhile endeavor. They all have advantages, and some may prefer one over another, but seriously hating an OS is really just non-sensical, especially one that is so widely used and so easy to work with. More power to them and their many reasons for such contempt.

Also, the thing about non-windows admins being paid more is not true in every case, but believe what you want. It sounds like all sorts of propaganda to me.

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#53 RyviusRan
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No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

Filthybastrd

What do you mean by crap OS?

I have had no problems with any OS since Windows ME.....*shudders*

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#54 JohnF111
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

RyviusRan

What do you mean by crap OS?

I have had no problems with any OS since Windows ME.....*shudders*

Hes a cyber version of a vegan... If MS made leather boots he would walk barefoot, if MS made roads he'd hover... If MS made Oxygen he'd die... Just a drama queen to be honest, only wants to moan.

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#55 Aidenfury19
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Most of you are simply followers or have no business sense, or both. Patents are important, especially in technology.lhughey

Important to stifling competition and keeping yourself from being imploded by patent trolls perhaps (and it's not really effective in the later case). Patents over software represent a massive drag on the industry. How many people does it benefit exactly that the MPEG-LA has so many patents on video tech that it's sometimes thought no modern codec can be made which doesn't infringe on some of them?

That is just one example. Unlike in other industries any given producer (programmer) will routinely infringe upon patents in their day to day work because so many exist, because so many are so obvious and because they're so broad. The existence of these patents discourages work on innumerable projects or stifles others that have begun before they can hit their stride.

To add to this nobody makes any real money on patents except for trolls. Even those companies with the largest number of patents such as Microsoft and IBM need only one patent suit brought successfully against them every half decade or so in order for any possible profits they might have made on licensing deals to evaporate.

Nor do patents benefit customers/consumers. Each codec in the hardware we buy costs us extra, it certainly makes interoperability more difficult even for things which should be considered obvious (FAT32 long file names anyone?), and there is no real indication that the presence of these software patents encourages the production of good software, or software in general.

In fact a lot more innovation was taking place in software BEFORE patents on it were allowed than is taking place today. Explain that for me if you would.

That's pretty funny, because hating an OS is just not a worthwhile endeavor. They all have advantages, and some may prefer one over another, but seriously hating an OS is really just non-sensical, especially one that is so widely used and so easy to work with. More power to them and their many reasons for such contempt. Also, the thing about non-windows admins being paid more is not true in every case, but believe what you want. It sounds like all sorts of propaganda to me. tempest91

The thing about Windows supposed ease of use is that the more you know about computers the more clear it becomes just how difficult it actually is to work with. As an OS it is incredibly inflexible and inefficient in numerous ways. Mac OSX for all of its flaws and "my way or the highway" thinking has a BSD core to tinker with if you don't like the tools Apple provides. There is no equivalent on Windows.

Speaking for myself I hate Windows because it has held back the industry and has harmed people in the process and I'm pretty sure the two people I used as examples feel the same.

They've spent three decades caring dick all about security as just one example and only now are coming around because it has begun to hurt their business. Microsoft is like that with virtually everything when it comes to OSes. Much or most of the work they've done to advance their OS was done earlier and usually better elsewhere.

We've essentially been dragged along at a snails pace for three decades because Microsoft couldn't bother to support things as standard and well-understood as TCP/IP, Javascript, or ACLs. To this day Windows doesn't behave correctly with respect to TCP/IP.

Oh and virtually nothing is true in every single case. That doesn't disprove it in general though.

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#56 FragTycoon
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

RyviusRan

What do you mean by crap OS?

I have had no problems with any OS since Windows ME.....*shudders*

If you didn't know by now you should only get the numbered OS and upgrade when you have to, 7 is more important because the change in systems require more memory support and higher bit OS.

There is no doubt that Vista was just a money grab until 7 came out.. the fact that consumers don't understand these tactics by now annoys me for some reason.

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#57 tempest91
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[QUOTE="tempest91"] That's pretty funny, because hating an OS is just not a worthwhile endeavor. They all have advantages, and some may prefer one over another, but seriously hating an OS is really just non-sensical, especially one that is so widely used and so easy to work with. More power to them and their many reasons for such contempt. Also, the thing about non-windows admins being paid more is not true in every case, but believe what you want. It sounds like all sorts of propaganda to me. Aidenfury19

The thing about Windows supposed ease of use is that the more you know about computers the more clear it becomes just how difficult it actually is to work with. As an OS it is incredibly inflexible and inefficient in numerous ways. Mac OSX for all of its flaws and "my way or the highway" thinking has a BSD core to tinker with if you don't like the tools Apple provides. There is no equivalent on Windows.

Speaking for myself I hate Windows because it has held back the industry and has harmed people in the process and I'm pretty sure the two people I used as examples feel the same.

They've spent three decades caring dick all about security as just one example and only now are coming around because it has begun to hurt their business. Microsoft is like that with virtually everything when it comes to OSes. Much or most of the work they've done to advance their OS was done earlier and usually better elsewhere.

We've essentially been dragged along at a snails pace for three decades because Microsoft couldn't bother to support things as standard and well-understood as TCP/IP, Javascript, or ACLs. To this day Windows doesn't behave correctly with respect to TCP/IP.

Oh and virtually nothing is true in every single case. That doesn't disprove it in general though.

So, what it comes down to is holding a grudge for past releases and business practices? I don't really see the point of this, it really just sounds like biased hatred smoldering from past experiences that really doesn't apply any more. I'm not attempting to disprove anything, just point out that thinking for yourself is good, successful professors have their weaknesses just like everyone, one of them being outdated prejudices against OS releases that aren't relevant. I agree that Mac does have it's strengths, but it's once again far from perfect, and can cause headaches just the same. It just depends on which side you choose to observe this on, and which one you ignore to prove a point. I really don't care, OS's for me are like different cars that I use for different purposes, I don't limit myself to one, or hate another as I don't see the point. It still doesn't make sense to me, and when I hear the reasons people hate one or another, they are usually about past experiences that don't matter much in the present, just as yours don't seem to (except the TC/IP, which I think is blown out of proportion in many cases). Glad you have a strong opinion on the matter though. It sounds like you are learning a lot.

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#58 Diviniuz
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http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=18642&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=31276&mapcode=consumer

ProjectNatalFan
what does that have anything to do with anything in this thread
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#59 dontshackzmii
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

I suppose this is SW material since it's meant to be anti MS.

I'll just quote our reliable ionusX from the PC forums ho dilligently post news whenever he comes across them. Keep it up man.

I realize that it's a somewhat different scenario in SW but us Hermits (especially if we were around back when DOS was the OS) tend to think of MS as one of the great evils of the world.

Edit: If you're still in doubt about what this means, I can change the title to "MS attempts to insert weeks old underwear into the mouths of AMD and Nvidia".

Filthybastrd

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

i agree microsoft is awful . There os is either awful or decent at best . They made there money off bullying the tech industry .

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#60 SUD123456
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Suddenly patents are bad things? shakes head and walks away from the insanity

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#61 skektek
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Suddenly patents are bad things? shakes head and walks away from the insanity

SUD123456

It depends on how they are used. The original intent of patents was to encourage innovation by allowing the inventor(s) a short period of exclusive use of the idea.

As of late companies are spamming the system with patents that are not only easily invalidated and obvious but are intended to be used offensively to attack competitors.

It is really sick how some companies have bastardized the system.

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#62 WilliamRLBaker
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Suddenly patents are bad things? shakes head and walks away from the insanity

skektek

It depends on how they are used. The original intent of patents was to encourage innovation by allowing the inventor(s) a short period of exclusive use of the idea.

As of late companies are spamming the system with patents that are not only easily invalidated and obvious but are intended to be used offensively to attack competitors.

It is really sick how some companies have bastardized the system.

sorry but its always been that way there have been tales since the inception of the patent system where one dude sees another dude working on something and is like I'll patent that dammit. hell electricity and light bulbs have some really weird patent wranglings around them I don't remember the specifics.
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#63 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Filthybastrd"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

This isn't anti-MS fourms.

MS as one of the great evils? PFFFFF

There are lots of worst companies out their that make MS a kiddy-bully.

dontshackzmii

No really. MS got big by screwing over IBM and has been screwing over their consumers ever since. They have'nt made a single OS that was'nt crap for at least 2 itterations.

i agree microsoft is awful . There os is either awful or decent at best . They made there money off bullying the tech industry .

yep their plethoria of OS, and other products weren't purchased by consumers because they worked and provided what was expected...they bought them because of mind control or something. Much like apply forces its users to buy things because Steve jobs has a mind control hat, bill gates mind control machine completely envelopes his head...it works but its just not as small and fashionable as the apple offerings...Microsoft and Apply are currently trying to patent mind control in an effort to stop the open source mind control devices from getting onto the scene.