MS cloud PR change.?

No one is saying there aren't potential drawbacks to using cloud processing to boost game performance. That's an entirely different argument...

Computer gamers have been playing MMOs for more than twenty years...guess what happens if/when the servers go down?

The cloud making a better gaming experience but really hurt some people on here.

Cant be bothered going over the in's and outs again, in short the cloud is a good thing and Xbox One is using it to make games better.

And the lems are to blame for that. That's what happens when you eat up the BS a company throws at you.

It's the same predicament MS was in regarding the Kinect. Justify its inclusion with the X1, and it sounds like BS. Remove it and they're basically backpedaling. That's why it's so important to have it all thought out properly before hand.

real examples please? the cloud are dedicated servers renamed for microsoft to make hype around the ignorance of morons, that why they have been so ambiguous about it.

It's not a matter of thinking it out - they have. It's just they didn't reach the point they imagined they would be in. Quite the contrary so as they were losing the market share, they decided to forget about their noble intentions for Kinect and opted for economical survival instead.

Just calling it like it is, bro. Chill out.

Did you find your Lem glasses? What the hell man

@slaves: I subscribe to the common sense method of rooting for games.... not necessarily gaming devices. I love my ps4 and I'll someday covet my xone when it becomes worthy of a purchase... hell maybe even the wiiu!

Looking at games like sunset overdrive and Ori and the Blind Forest common sense tells me that the xone will be delivering high quality gaming experiences for many years to come... is it better than the ps4? Hardware wise, I don't think so at this point. Will the cloud or any other mystical sauce somehow make the xone more hardware proficient? I don't know... and my gut says no.

But what remains is games... and ultimately that's all I care about. The xone is a next gen console that is powerful enough to run every game that the ps4 can run. Maybe not in terms of resolution or frame rates, but certainly run them to a satisfying level. I can't imagine existing in this hobby with a mindset that allows an emphasis on resolution and frame rates deter me from playing great games, which xone will undoubtedly have... I feel bad for the Fanboys in this instance.

So in the end it isn't about the lem glasses (I do keep enjoy breaking them out from time to time :P ) it's about an unwillingness to let "teh cloud" or "teh cell" or whatever distract from the fact that these consoles will both deliver greatness to my favorite hobby.

@TheEroica: Understood but I find it hard to follow or even trust in a company and their "vision" when they clearly have no idea themselves what that is. At first all TV "we want your living room" "Kinect is the future of gaming for Xbox". Now they don't care about TV it's all games which is cool for us but come on, quit doing that 180 shit. Then take the one company the embraced your "vision" of Kinect and just kick them in the nuts by taking the one major selling Kinect game (Dance Central) and reduce it to a downloadable game with nothing but a 5 second mention at E3 along with the other game that company has been working on for your system.

I like you have really considered getting a One but really after E3 I'm more likely not to. If anything a WiiU is in my future. MS has a habit of having a good launch and some great titles for the first few years and then they just toss that shit to the side. Don't get me wrong Sony's not perfect by any means but at least I know I'll still get really great games 10 year from now and they ate their big plate of crow and it seems they have learned from that. Now its MS' turn.

@slaves: all great points brother.... and I agree in essence that Microsoft greatest hurdle to overcome isn't their hardware or even their software but their practices within the hobby....

A. If I am buying your console but your games are going to be elsewhere, I'm not buying your console.

B. If they're capable of such out of touch practices before, I'm still hesitant at trusting they've snapped out of it... (of course we all love watched sony to be completely out of touch with the ps3 and saw them pull out of it as well...)

Here's the rock and a hard place though... when ms shows kinect (literally the whit hot source of hate among gamers) for more than 30 seconds at a conference we get memes and gifs for weeks to follow, along with all the internet hate you can muster... but, when they ignore it, now we cry foul?

Excuse me for seeing the massive amount of hypocrisy in that way of thinking. Pick which side of the aisle your on gamers, because cherry picking reasons to hate is pretty lame.

Microsoft still hasn't made their console be a standout in a crowded field of next gen superiority and last gen convenience, library and pricing. This is why I wait....

I know you're a fan of all gaming and I can easily relate to someone wishing for a wiiu over an XOne IF they already own a ps4. I think about it too from time to time. I think in essence you hit it on the head though. This shouldn't be a time to keep dumping on Microsoft for past mistakes, it should be a time to root for them to continuously correct them. We offered that clout to sony... why not ms? I want 3 healthy and competing consoles in the end...

Well there's a fucking surprise, I knew the talk about the 'Cloud' making Xbox One graphics better was total bullshit. I was trying to think of a way Microsoft were going to implement graphics real time rendering over a network and sync it with the output and thought nope.

The best dedicated servers can offer is offloading AI and physics tasks for a persistent world, otherwise it makes no sense and would take up far too many resources in their server farm. But the joke is games already do this to some extent, maybe not so much the physics but the AI on network games is run on the side of the dedicated server usually. Well done Microsoft for reinventing the wheel.

The stupidity of the people on this site is EPIC. MS has been saying from day one both Dedicated servers and the Cloud for Xbox One. This topic is so stupid. AGAIN FROM DAY ONE MS HAS SAID BOTH DEDICATED SERVERS AND THE CLOUD IS IMPORTANT FOR XBOX ONE AND WHERE DO WE SEE MENTIONED OR ANY EVIDENCE ONCE SO EVER IS MS SAYING THEY ARE JUST DROPPING THE CLOUD??? THAT'S RIGHT THEY DON'T GEEZZZZ THE FANBOYS NEED TO GET A GRIP.

Sorry for the caps but the cows fanboys need to get a grip wow this is amazingly stupid.

@TheEroica: I find it funny you and I have this conversation then I find this today. So much of what we have been talking about. BTW we all need to get together and game again soon.

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/06/17/one-year-later-microsoft-messaging-on-xbox-one-as-confused-as-ever.aspx

Cloud is a bunch of servers dedicated for a function. This function could be simply hosting multi-player matches or doing more advanced stuff like AI, physics or even ray tracing. Most people don't understand the abstract term "cloud" but they do understand server hence Phil used that term.

@tormentos: "The power of the cloud" teehehehe. This is how imagine the meetings they had

Not ray tracing...

This is Sony's IT dept.

And this is MS IT Dept.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ44hEr5DFE