MS Investors want MS to sell Xbox division because It hasn't made money yet

I'm guessing getting knocked the fvck out at E3 and being a patsy of the industry is causing this uprising, not to mention all the 180s. Heil68

Also forgot about the R&D. Didn't they say the spent over a hundred million dollars designing the Xbone contorlled?  Jeebus. I'm guessing 2 billion just on R&D, several tens of billions in manufacturing - they'll make some fo that up - their subsidy of course.

I could see why investors might be upset.

Imagine if Microsft, instead of bleeding money all over the place to create Xbox would have isntead focused solely on the PC - a market that has created profit for hardware, service and software develoeprs since the 80's instead of the console market.

They could have beat Steam at it's own game, easily, since they certinaly had the funds to do so. They could have owned PC gaming, completely, even more so than Steam does now, and that would have been nothing but a pure revennue stream after year 1 or 2.

What a waste.

Xbox brand will be long gone way before Playstation thats for sure.:cool:

Try harder damien you are truly a pathetic fanboy

XBOunity

also MS has invested several billion to give us better games, better online play, and a better design. so sure it cost money but they have it to throw around. also they pull in over 2.75 billion a year just on XBLG (46 million subscribers at 60 a years) so why would they kill something where all the major expenses are done with and MS doesn't need to spend much more to keep it going and it pulls in almost 3 billion a year in subscriptions, not including the money it pulls in on games and accessories and such.darkangel115

Or you could look at it as the original Xbox set the framework for what led to years of profit. You have to spend money to make money, Microsoft spent money building the Xbox brand and name and now are enjoying the fruits of their labor.

Third time: You can always present the flip side of a financial analysis.

R3FURBISHED

You are looking at it from a positive side and making it out like we are looking at it from a negative side.

I'm just looking at it from a neutral side though... Overall, it hasn't been profitable, fact.

The RROD fiasco had a pretty epic part to play in that. It cost them at least a billion to put right. Ninja-Hippo

And RROD was there because they rushed out the hardware to beat their competition to the puch and make more money that way.

Like refurbished said: you gotta make money to spend money, wait...

The Windows OS division is going to make money no matter what. Businesses, Universities, and Home (not as much) are on lock. lowkey254

Oh, my mistake. I meant their PC gaming division :P

The Xbox division doesn't represent a large enough percentage of Microsoft to warrant such an action.R3FURBISHED

http://www.eteknix.com/microsoft-investor-wants-to-fire-ballmer-and-sell-xbox-division/

ouch!! after a decade Xbox still hasnt' made any profit

-Damien-

Topic: "MS Investors want MS to sell Xbox division because It hasn't made money yet"

Actual quote (about 1 investor no less): " it is believed they might target the Xbox division and try and get rid of it altogether"

So, the author speculates that on investment group mighttarget the XBox division.

Sigh... :roll:

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Investor, singular, oh right Damien thread.

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]The Xbox division doesn't represent a large enough percentage of Microsoft to warrant such an action.stayhigh1

Why hasn't Sony sold their Playstation divison when it's lost money for 6 of the last 7 years?

Xbox One is a bad investment for customers. Sega Saturn Part 2drakekratos

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The numbers don't lie. Overall the Gaming Division at Microsoft has been sucking the company dry. Note the bar on the far right:

 

R3FURBISHED

And as I stated before, in this thread...to you! that numbers can always be easily twisted. I see that as five consecutive years of profit.

Xbox One is a bad investment for customers. Sega Saturn Part 2drakekratos

Saturn was one of the best consoles I've owned, and my Saturn games are worth quite alot of money now.....

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]"Analyst Rick Sherlund claims that big changes are going to take place very soon as other shareholders support the decision to get rid of Steve Ballmer in addition to the investment group ValueAct. According to the report ValueAct are seeking to replace Steve Ballmer because his strategy inspires little confidence." Well as Balmer is already resigning I think that kicks that leg out :Parredondo

The analyst made the comments before Ballmer grabbed a parachute and lept out of the MS plane. It may very well be the case that this potential uprising is what pushed him out before things got ugly and more public.

And for those blowing off a 1% stock holder, please note that his 1% is $2 billions worth in opinions, and that top MS leaders like Paul Allen only own 2% of the company. Even Ballmer himself only owns 4%!

Yes, http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tech/news/a509512/steve-ballmer-to-retire-as-microsoft-ceo-within-the-next-12-months.html

The numbers don't lie. Overall the Gaming Division at Microsoft has been sucking the company dry. Note the bar on the far right:

 

 

 

 

arredondo

Oh boy :lol: 

I doubt the XBox brand will last this gen :lol:

 

The Xbox has been the best selling console for the past ~30 months in the largest market in the world - it is very easy to spin numbers however you want.

R3FURBISHED

And yet they have sell half of what the Ps2 sold in those same 8 years and a huge part of the number is RROD units.

The xbox has make money,sadly the money they make had not make up for all they loss since 2001,so they have 12 years on ther market that the loss still out do the profits,why else do you think the xbox one is a weak console that cost $500 an why do you think MS was pushing so hard for no used games as we know them and only need it,they wanted to kill pirates which were many on 360,maximaize profits by requiring live for eveything again,and by controlling the used sales market.

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The Xbox has been the best selling console for the past ~30 months in the largest market in the world - it is very easy to spin numbers however you want.

tormentos

And yet they have sell half of what the Ps2 sold in those same 8 years and a huge part of the number is RROD units.

The xbox has make money,sadly the money they make had not make up for all they loss since 2001,so they have 12 years on ther market that the loss still out do the profits,why else do you think the xbox one is a weak console that cost $500 an why do you think MS was pushing so hard for no used games as we know them and only need it,they wanted to kill pirates which were many on 360,maximaize profits by requiring live for eveything again,and by controlling the used sales market.

Try harder damien you are truly a pathetic fanboy

XBOunity

pot calling the kettle black

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Try harder damien you are truly a pathetic fanboy

Sweenix

pot calling the kettle black

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Try harder damien you are truly a pathetic fanboy

WilliamRLBaker

pot calling the kettle black

Not everyone here is a fanboy

At least Microsoft didn't have to sell any buildings! :lol:

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[QUOTE="XBOunity"]

Try harder damien you are truly a pathetic fanboy

WilliamRLBaker

pot calling the kettle black

Dude, you gotta admit he is a bit exteme with the fanboysim.  He makes Major Nelson look like a cow. lol

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pot calling the kettle black

Sweenix

Not everyone here is a fanboy

Amazing how MS has always charged $50-$60 to play online & tons of others charges for simple upgrades & they still can't do well. 

Imagine if Sony had charged for online with PS2 & PS3 the money they would've made.

i remenber reading that MS started making money from its Xbox division.

i remenber reading that MS started making money from its Xbox division.

linkdarkside

With the RROD replacement costs conveniently disregarded of course

the investors are dumb, I'm not a fan of the X1 but it does have a chance to actually have a place in the entertainment scene because its the first console to offer its own HBO like service. It can actually grab a part of the market that is not just gaming , basicly what I'm trying to say is that this is the first console microsoft actually made that might actually make them money, they should give it a chance.

The numbers don't lie. Overall the Gaming Division at Microsoft has been sucking the company dry. Note the bar on the far right:

 

 

 

arredondo

so? it's improving.. i believe eventually they'll make a good profit from it.

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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] thats what SW is you are included.navyguy21

Not everyone here is a fanboy

That's why i have been spending less time here lately :P cant even have an argument without being called a fanboy lol

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And as I stated before, in this thread...to you! that numbers can always be easily twisted. I see that as five consecutive years of profit.

R3FURBISHED

You can't ignore the bar on the right that says "total" though. Even with those years of profit their Xbox division isn't profitable.

Or you could look at it as the original Xbox set the framework for what led to years of profit. You have to spend money to make money, Microsoft spent money building the Xbox brand and name and now are enjoying the fruits of their labor.

Third time: You can always present the flip side of a financial analysis.

[QUOTE="arredondo"]

The numbers don't lie. Overall the Gaming Division at Microsoft has been sucking the company dry. Note the bar on the far right:

 

 

 

Joedgabe

so? it's improving.. i believe eventually they'll make a good profit from it.

Spending too much money on moneyhatting 3rd party developers and bribing gaming media are the reason why Microsoft can't make money from their Xbox division.

thread title says "investors" while article says "investor".

CaseyWegner

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The numbers don't lie. Overall the Gaming Division at Microsoft has been sucking the company dry. Note the bar on the far right:

 

 

 

arredondo

so? it's improving.. i believe eventually they'll make a good profit from it.

I'm amazed that companies like MS and Sony persist with the console market, all they appear to do is lose money hand over fist.