MS leading the Gaming industry into a Hell Hole

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingFizzman

Yes because Nintendo and its garbage gimmick Nintendo Wii isnt the reason why MS went the casual route. Lets blame MS.........

I 100% agree. Microsoft were the leaders of DLC and now thats lead to content being locked on a disk that you have to pay to play. joel_c17

there was DLC before the xbox, and LOL MS forces DLC to put on the disc, ya GOOD logic there, could you please explain how MS could be the reason for that?????? like not trolling or hating or anything, I actually would like to know

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingkillu-later

:lol: This is how you call "BRIBERY":

"Sony paid $400-million for Blu-ray deal with Warner"

What remains a mystery is just how big a push Warner needed to pick sides. Analysts say Sony only prevailed following a heated bidding war against Toshiba, with the reward reaching as much as $400-million (U.S.). Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments.

With billions of dollars in global sales at stake, experts had predicted the Toshiba-Sony battle would go on for years - not unlike the 1980s battle of videotape formats between VHS **** and Betamax (Sony). That war lasted a decade, leaving Sony battered and humiliated.

So how did this epic battle come to such an abrupt end?

The answer lies in part with the bruising Sony experienced with Betamax, which, like Blu-ray, was also the better product on paper.

For more that 20 years, Sony has been "haunted by Betamax" and was fiercely determined not to let history repeat itself, explained Xavier Drèze, a marketing professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton business school.

"Sony was much smarter," Prof. Drèze said. "They understood this time they couldn't do it alone. They understood that they needed strategic partnerships with industry players."

http://www.you.com.au/news/2672.htm

MS rejected Bluray. your point?

What MS not siding with Blu-Ray has anything to do with the "$400-million for Blu-ray deal with Warner"? Your point???

And as for "Kinect causauls", didn't $ony started with that gimmicky motion-control"SIXASIS" at the beinging of this gen? Your point???

[QUOTE="Bruin1986"][QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyinghiphops_savior

For the sake of understanding, here's your demands for justifying purchases iyo:

Kinect: Dance Central 1+2. Both under 1 year since Kinect's release

Wii: SMG1. Under 1 year since Wii's release

SMG2-About 3.5 years

Wii Sports Resort-About 1.5 years

Metriod Prime 3: Under 1 year

Skyward Sword: 5 years.

Seems to me the Kinect's keeping on track by your standards.

The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingkillu-later

bribery? feel free to prove that one

Kinect Casuals? Isn't this microsoft following nintendo's buisness?

Timed exclusives? Why is this bad again?

I'll give you DLC though

Well I agree, MS is the worse company that could have come to this industry.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] What about sony charging 2ice for something =0? Allthishate

*laughs* I just cant even begin to show you all the ways your wrong and all the things that nintendo or sony did first.
I'll just post...Sony just launched the UMD thing for VITA take the time out of your day to download a registration app scan your UMD and get a discount on a game you've already purchased!

WilliamRLBaker

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingohthemanatee

bribery? feel free to prove that one

Kinect Casuals? Isn't this microsoft following nintendo's buisness?

Timed exclusives? Why is this bad again?

I'll give you DLC though

[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] The PS3 got Xbox Live!? When did this happen!? ;)ohthemanatee

Let me know next time Kinect does something that justifies its 150 dollar price tag apart from the Dance Central series. Nintendo at least is able to back up the Wii with strong titles that gives new ways to people to play (SMG 1 and 2, Wii Sports Resort, Metroid Prime 3, Skyward Sword).hiphops_savior

Kinectimals, Sesame Street.

My daughter's entertainment is far more important to me than yours.

Next question.

The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingkillu-later

Ans still 99.9% of my gaming is on 360

It is the only system to get all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Skrim, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Alan Wake 1-2, Halo, Gears, Lost Odyssey, Project Draco etc

The ultimate gaming system of all time for me

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I agree, MS is the worse company that could have come to this industry.percech

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingloosingENDS

Ans still 99.9% of my gaming is on 360

It is the only system to get all of Witcher 2, Dark Souls, Skrim, Fable 1-2-3-Journey, Ryse, Alan Wake 1-2, Halo, Gears, Lost Odyssey, Project Draco etc

The ultimate gaming system of all time for me

[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingdelta3074

bribery? feel free to prove that one

Kinect Casuals? Isn't this microsoft following nintendo's buisness?

Timed exclusives? Why is this bad again?

I'll give you DLC though

I agree Microsoft didn't create DLC

but unfortunantly the xbox has lend a hand in creating payed DLC. I kinda wish microsoft would have created at least created some sort of rule in which DLC can never cost more then say... 800 MS points

[QUOTE="percech"][QUOTE="kuraimen"]Well I agree, MS is the worse company that could have come to this industry.clone01

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]

bribery? feel free to prove that one

Kinect Casuals? Isn't this microsoft following nintendo's buisness?

Timed exclusives? Why is this bad again?

I'll give you DLC though

ohthemanatee

I agree Microsoft didn't create DLC

but unfortunantly the xbox has lend a hand in creating payed DLC. I kinda wish microsoft would have created at least created some sort of rule in which DLC can never cost more then say... 800 MS points

I kind of agree...I wish Microsoft would have stayed in the PC arena and the Japanese to have the console market. Things would be much different and consoles wouldn't be pseudo PCs, FPSs and online console multiplayer games would still be mainly on PC.

PC gamers wouldn't have to worry about "watered down ports" and "consolization" problems and their FPSs would still be great. CoD wouldn't have tainted the console market to the extent they have.

Imho things would be much better if Sega was still in it instead of Microsoft. So yeah, Microsoft is sort of a console cancer.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

*laughs* I just cant even begin to show you all the ways your wrong and all the things that nintendo or sony did first.
I'll just post...Sony just launched the UMD thing for VITA take the time out of your day to download a registration app scan your UMD and get a discount on a game you've already purchased!

-ArchAngeL-777-

Yep, Microsoft is a very evil company whose sole goal is to reap dirty profits from the peon consumer base--thankfully we have such moral leaders in the gaming industry like Sony and Nintendo, what would we do without these moral corporations giving gamers content out of the goodness of their pure (non-economically minded) hearts.Stevo_the_gamer

So basically what the TC is saying is that sony has absolutely no free will whatsoever and cows have no free will whatsoever because it would seem to me that sony has pulled off all the same things.

1.they charge for dlc.
2.games with dlc already on disc and that dlc was charged for have appeared on the ps3.
3.they bribe companies this is confirmed not only in their music and Movie buisness but in the game buisness as well.
4.they bully developers telling them even after a game has been finished they will not green light it unless it has exclusive content.
5.they have a service where your charged to rent games yearly.
6.Expensive preriphirials the only thing they dont do is hard drives and network adaptors but their controllers, headsets...etc all as expensive as whats available for the 360 and when it comes to network adaptors their are alaternatives that cost as little as 30 dollars on the 360.

Yep it would seem to me that Sony has no free will and they are followers never innovating but copying what the other guys are doing since Microsoft ""supposedly"" created these things its odd how Sony just followed and commited all the same ""sins""

[QUOTE="TheXFiles88"]

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingkillu-later

:lol: This is how you call "BRIBERY":

"Sony paid $400-million for Blu-ray deal with Warner"

What remains a mystery is just how big a push Warner needed to pick sides. Analysts say Sony only prevailed following a heated bidding war against Toshiba, with the reward reaching as much as $400-million (U.S.). Neither side has confirmed the size of any bids or payments.

With billions of dollars in global sales at stake, experts had predicted the Toshiba-Sony battle would go on for years - not unlike the 1980s battle of videotape formats between VHS **** and Betamax (Sony). That war lasted a decade, leaving Sony battered and humiliated.

So how did this epic battle come to such an abrupt end?

The answer lies in part with the bruising Sony experienced with Betamax, which, like Blu-ray, was also the better product on paper.

For more that 20 years, Sony has been "haunted by Betamax" and was fiercely determined not to let history repeat itself, explained Xavier Drèze, a marketing professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton business school.

"Sony was much smarter," Prof. Drèze said. "They understood this time they couldn't do it alone. They understood that they needed strategic partnerships with industry players."

http://www.you.com.au/news/2672.htm

MS rejected Bluray. your point?

well MS never rejected Bluray, infact they get money off every bluray sold I believe, MS just didn't want to put all there money into 1 basket, HD-DVD was better, Sony just payed off companys, something MS could and should never do, since its not there business unlike sony

Why is it all on Microsoft? Kinect was added to the Xbox and didn't remove anything. Basically you're hating on the 5 bucks a month for online gaming. Haters gonna hate. All companies want to see CASH.LustForSoul

Yep, Microsoft is a very evil company whose sole goal is to reap dirty profits from the peon consumer base--thankfully we have such moral leaders in the gaming industry like Sony and Nintendo, what would we do without these moral corporations giving gamers content out of the goodness of their pure (non-economically minded) hearts.Stevo_the_gamer

Exactly. It just boggles the mind & makes me laugh in which they think that "MS is evil & Nintendo & Sony are good" when Nintendo & Sony are also in this business for the money just like Microsoft is.

The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingkillu-later

Timed exclusives are a trade-off developers are willing to do to give them more exposure (even if it means releasing their games late on other consoles), DLC wasn't created by Microsoft, several publishers have been using it prior to the 360, I have absolutely no clue about what you mean when you say bribery (review websites? What would they bribe?). You can't dismiss Kinect games, either: if it isn't your niche, you don't play it -- core games are still being made; this year alone: TESV: Skyrim, Gears of War 3, Halo, Forza Motorsport 4, Uncharted 3 and several others.

I love it when people talk as if Microsoft is the devil that corrupted the saintly Sony and other companies into adopting tactics that are prejudicial to the consumer. But rose-tinted shades are all the fad nowadays, so keep them on and I'm sure you'll get plenty of support.

Why is it all on Microsoft? Kinect was added to the Xbox and didn't remove anything. Basically you're hating on the 5 bucks a month for online gaming. Haters gonna hate. All companies want to see CASH. LustForSoul

This.

i agree except for one thing, you forgot to mention RROD, dvd limitations, and boring E3 performances.ConsoleCounsla_

Yeah but the RRODS are over now with the slim console, Microsoft needed to choose between Blu Ray and HD DVD since Blu Ray was just new, "Ridge Racer!!!?".

[QUOTE="killu-later"]The timed exclusives, the DLC, the paid online service, bribery, kinect casuals. Everything Gaming wasn't meant to be. But it poured in Cash and now everyone is copyingBruin1986

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[QUOTE="delta3074"]you shouldn't, there has been DLC since the sega dreamcast "The Dreamcast was the first console to feature online support as a standard; DLC was available, though limited in size due to the narrowband connection and the size limitations of a memory card. These online features were still considered a breakthrough in video games, but the competing PlayStation 2 did not ship with a built-in network adapter. With the advent of the Xbox, Microsoft was the second company to implement downloadable content. Many original Xbox Live titles, including Splinter Cell, Halo 2, and Ninja Gaiden, offered varying amounts of extra content, available for download through the Xbox Live service. Most of this content, with the notable exception of content for Microsoft-published titles, was available for free." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downloadable_contentBruin1986

I agree Microsoft didn't create DLC

but unfortunantly the xbox has lend a hand in creating payed DLC. I kinda wish microsoft would have created at least created some sort of rule in which DLC can never cost more then say... 800 MS points

yay? Did I ever claim otherwise?

dw microsoft will fall into the 3rd console flop list

nintendo's 3rd console was a flop (n64)

ps3 was a flop compared to ps2 and 1

720 will be a flop the 360 will be the biggest xbox will ever be

dw microsoft will fall into the 3rd console flop list

nintendo's 3rd console was a flop (n64)

ps3 was a flop compared to ps2 and 1

720 will be a flop the 360 will be the biggest xbox will ever be

Pokemon266

Well, xbox is not coming from Sony or Nintendo though, no relation

i dont mind ms in the gaming industry at all.

if you think ms is leading something into a hell hole, that would be pc gaming.

MS aren't leading anything anymore. They don't set trends

Translation of OP's post.

Microsoft has been absolutely successful this generation, and this makes me angry because I want Sony's PS3 to be more successful but it isn't, and I'm taking my fustrations out on a company.

MS aren't leading anything anymore. They don't set trends

seanmcloughlin

They don't? Xbox live and multiplayer gaming isn't a console trend these days? That original xbox was an amazing console. Always preferred it over the ps2 because it strived for original titles.

Since Aug 30th my xbox live account has been locked. Under investigation because some person swapped mine over to a brazil xbox live account and spent 133 dollars worth of microsoft points. So, this issue isn't fixed it's November 12th. Still can't login with my gamertag so yes I would definetly say MS is leading the gaming industry into a hell hole. While driving a lot of customers mad because their online security measures are well lets say garbage. Xbox live member since FEB2006 really angry this issue still isn't fixed and I have to explain to my credit card company why it isn't fixed. MS should be explaining to my credit card company on how they are so worthless they let someone else use MY CREDIT CARD!

I would be fine criticising MS if Sony and Nintendo were any better.

All 3 of them are basically scum :

MS -

Best all-around technical product (including OS)

Charges fee for "service" that consists of a Netflix widget and peer-to-peer networking

The "service" is actually a delayed charge for the console itself, basically the 360 console costs $600, but they break it up into $299 + $60/year for 6 years.

Superb technical product, well designed, superior hardware

Superb OS and API design, light years ahead of Sony and Ninty

They have the best product and they know it, and they milk the hell out of their users.

Sony -

Mid-range technical product (including OS)

Free online (that they don't bother to secure or subsidize properly judging by the 20 minute patch downloads)

Powerful hardware married to botched architecture

Try to push Blu-Ray as a "feature" when it's actually an anti-piracy tool that gimps the system's performance and adds cost to the system, costs they had to take away from having a decent GPU and architecture.

No upscaler chip

No AA chip

But still had the nerve to try to charge people $600 for this POS, even at $250 that level of hardware is kind of a ripoff.

Ninty -

Weakest product

Milks the hell out of the same IP's for 2 decades

Charges premium prices for the least technically impressive products

Everything they make is overpriced, under-engineered and gimmicky steaming pile of crap

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So you see friends, yes MS is scum, but that's like saying water is wet.

And Sony and Ninty are equally scum.

As gamers we have no friends in the industry.

It's just us, looking out for ourselves and our own interests.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Same on all counts could be said for Sony and the Move(and Nintendo regarding casuals).free_milk

i never understood how kinect compatability is a bad thing ?, if it was the opposite with move, it would be like move is the nizzle etc etc, cows only nitpicking kinect cuz its on xbox.. the games is actually good and fun to play and games withcontroller and kinect functions is pretty neat if you ask me cant see how that's a bad thing ? care to explain

What makes MS worse than Nintendo or Sony in terms of what they offer to gamers? MS has/had some nice exclusives, as did/does Sony and Nintendo. The only clear difference is that MS charges for their online services. Ghost_702

Plus taking charge in how dlc works/evolved. Also, apparently they have a poor relation with xbla title developers regarding exclusive features/etc.

[QUOTE="Ghost_702"]What makes MS worse than Nintendo or Sony in terms of what they offer to gamers? MS has/had some nice exclusives, as did/does Sony and Nintendo. The only clear difference is that MS charges for their online services. Heirren

Plus taking charge in how dlc works/evolved. Also, apparently they have a poor relation with xbla title developers regarding exclusive features/etc.