Ms next console should leave pc graphics trying to catch up for a year or two.

[QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs turgore

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

Yes their other CPUs have been great successes haven't they?Tasman_basic

actually this time around they teamed up with ibm. they say they have a graphics processor thats as fast as the 360's main one plus they said it would be 4 times faster wen theyre done.

[QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]Yes their other CPUs have been great successes haven't they?John-J-Rambo

Ibm made it not Ms, Which means profits go to Ibm.

Uh no. MS bought the rights to that processor off of IBM. They own the xenos. Which means if anyone else wants to use it, MS get's the money. There is NO WAY MS is going to design and build their own CPU, it is just not cost effective.

half true. ms owns the ip for the design of the cpu. but they pay ibm to manufacture it. in theory they could go to other chip manufacturers to build the chip and then ibm wouldn't get any money. but currently ibm does get money from ms for every chip they build for the 360

[QUOTE="John-J-Rambo"][QUOTE="No_worrys_mate"]

[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]Yes their other CPUs have been great successes haven't they?comp_atkins

Ibm made it not Ms, Which means profits go to Ibm.

Uh no. MS bought the rights to that processor off of IBM. They own the xenos. Which means if anyone else wants to use it, MS get's the money. There is NO WAY MS is going to design and build their own CPU, it is just not cost effective.

half true. ms owns the ip for the design of the cpu. but they pay ibm to manufacture it. in theory they could go to other chip manufacturers to build the chip and then ibm wouldn't get any money. but currently ibm does get money from ms for every chip they build for the 360

If I'm not mistaken, IBM makes all theprocessors for all the next gen systems. If anyone is making out, it's IBM this gen.

[QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs mismajor99

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]Yes their other CPUs have been great successes haven't they?OpticalCanine

actually this time around they teamed up with ibm. they say they have a graphics processor thats as fast as the 360's main one plus they said it would be 4 times faster wen theyre done.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs HuusAsking

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

PC gaming is cheaper. I would never play my 360 if i didnt have a 50 inch plasma. There is a noticeable difference when playing on an SDTV than playing on a 50 inch 1080p plasma. Once you have a HDTV you will never want to go back. I feel it is necessary to add the cost of a TV when playing a console. I dont feel you get a full next gen experience without one. Whoever bought a 360 and doesnt have an HDTV is stupid. Theres only a few games that you cant tell the difference between HD and SD.

I know that its the gpu that makes the graphics but Ms is going to make their own Cpu for their next gen console and this means it will probaly be very good even compared to cpus in pcs when the time comes and it willlower costs which means they can add more ram and a better gpu at price it well, Even if the 360 is $500 id be happy if Ms made the extra effort with extra power.No_worrys_mate

What you mean like Sony? They failed badly, M$ will like try to create a new CPU with INTEL next time around, which will cost them millions, due to the console difference it will either be just as craptastic as the 360/PS3 CPU's or be too powerful for the GPU and pointless.

The 360 was never better graphically than the PC on release, with some exceptions for the 78XX series, what makes you think they will be better next time?

You mayaswell but a PC for those prices.

But then again next time around the Graphics will be so awesome anyway, look at the 8800s fueling Crysis ... and the 9800's in December :O

Sorry bro that cant be done as the system is to be made atleast an year ago before launch for the devlopers to work on so its not possible!!!!

MS did a great work of making a high end rig very early and so 360 is not far away from the high eng computers Used today!

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs Killfox

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

PC gaming is cheaper. I would never play my 360 if i didnt have a 50 inch plasma. There is a noticeable difference when playing on an SDTV than playing on a 50 inch 1080p plasma. Once you have a HDTV you will never want to go back. I feel it is necessary to add the cost of a TV when playing a console. I dont feel you get a full next gen experience without one. Whoever bought a 360 and doesnt have an HDTV is stupid. Theres only a few games that you cant tell the difference between HD and SD.

As for SDTVs, unless it's the difference between missing a detail that costs you the battle and finding out that little detail, what difference does it make? They could always step up later.

PS. The HDTV can be offset by its multiple function. IOW, you can use the HDTV to watch HDTV programming.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs HuusAsking

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

Slight control problem? Please. It would have to be a completely seperate game, as there is no way someone could keep up with the AI when using a controller. Now you're talking about a different game all together, it's just not the same experiece, that's all I was conveying.

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

Crysis is very well optimized. If you can run STALKER maxxed, you can run Crysis maxxed as was stated in an article. A 7800GTX was running it maxxed in DX9 in pre-alpha. A 8800GTX, single core CPU, and 2GB of RAM are running it maxxed in DX10 in pre-alpha at an insane resolution.

Lonelynight

Yeah well, Crytek and EA say that Crysis is optimized, which I interpret as a standard PR shyte. When they release a official demo, then'll see will it be a "you have 8800GTX, but you need 8800 Ultra in order to get a non-slideshow framerate" case.

You don't know nothing about Crysis so please don't post about it.

Hey man, Crysis is one of my "most wanted" games, I watched all trailers, saw all the screenshots, but when they give me some proof (e.g. a demo) that the game is really that good optimized, then I'll believe it.

They can tell you that they ran the game on P 200 MMX, 32 MB RAM i 2 MB-ed S3 Trio, wrap it up with some PR crap, and voila, people bought it.

[QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs HuusAsking

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

PC gaming is cheaper. I would never play my 360 if i didnt have a 50 inch plasma. There is a noticeable difference when playing on an SDTV than playing on a 50 inch 1080p plasma. Once you have a HDTV you will never want to go back. I feel it is necessary to add the cost of a TV when playing a console. I dont feel you get a full next gen experience without one. Whoever bought a 360 and doesnt have an HDTV is stupid. Theres only a few games that you cant tell the difference between HD and SD.

As for SDTVs, unless it's the difference between missing a detail that costs you the battle and finding out that little detail, what difference does it make? They could always step up later.

PS. The HDTV can be offset by its multiple function. IOW, you can use the HDTV to watch HDTV programming.

you can watch TV through a monitor....

and what all of you seem to leave out, is the fact that PC's are used for much more then gaming.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

Crysis is very well optimized. If you can run STALKER maxxed, you can run Crysis maxxed as was stated in an article. A 7800GTX was running it maxxed in DX9 in pre-alpha. A 8800GTX, single core CPU, and 2GB of RAM are running it maxxed in DX10 in pre-alpha at an insane resolution.

IgGy621985

Yeah well, Crytek and EA say that Crysis is optimized, which I interpret as a standard PR shyte. When they release a official demo, then'll see will it be a "you have 8800GTX, but you need 8800 Ultra in order to get a non-slideshow framerate" case.

You don't know nothing about Crysis so please don't post about it.

Hey man, Crysis is one of my "most wanted" games, I watched all trailers, saw all the screenshots, but when they give me some proof (e.g. a demo) that the game is really that good optimized, then I'll believe it.

They can tell you that they ran the game on P 200 MMX, 32 MB RAM i 2 MB-ed S3 Trio, wrap it up with some PR crap, and voila, people bought it.

Ok, I apologize

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs mismajor99

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

Slight control problem? Please. It would have to be a completely seperate game, as there is no way someone could keep up with the AI when using a controller. Now you're talking about a different game all together, it's just not the same experiece, that's all I was conveying.

Ya, if you have actually played the game you would know that pretty much impossible to port it to a console.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs HuusAsking

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

I think 400$ PC would offer better experience. I mean sure the graphics would be on low, but it would still look decent and in RTSes good controls > good graphics

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]That's the same case with the current 360 and the first xbox (not so much),kameo,pdz,viva Pinata look better than anything you can get on the pc.HuusAsking

No.

FEAR on max has better graphics than both Kameo and PDZ. It did win Gamespot's best graphics award for 2005 for a reason

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]That's the same case with the current 360 and the first xbox (not so much),kameo,pdz,viva Pinata look better than anything you can get on the pc.AdrianWerner

No.

FEAR on max has better graphics than both Kameo and PDZ. It did win Gamespot's best graphics award for 2005 for a reason

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs cobrax75

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

PC gaming is cheaper. I would never play my 360 if i didnt have a 50 inch plasma. There is a noticeable difference when playing on an SDTV than playing on a 50 inch 1080p plasma. Once you have a HDTV you will never want to go back. I feel it is necessary to add the cost of a TV when playing a console. I dont feel you get a full next gen experience without one. Whoever bought a 360 and doesnt have an HDTV is stupid. Theres only a few games that you cant tell the difference between HD and SD.

As for SDTVs, unless it's the difference between missing a detail that costs you the battle and finding out that little detail, what difference does it make? They could always step up later.

PS. The HDTV can be offset by its multiple function. IOW, you can use the HDTV to watch HDTV programming.

you can watch TV through a monitor....

and what all of you seem to leave out, is the fact that PC's are used for much more then gaming.

[QUOTE="Lonelynight"]

[QUOTE="IgGy621985"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

Crysis is very well optimized. If you can run STALKER maxxed, you can run Crysis maxxed as was stated in an article. A 7800GTX was running it maxxed in DX9 in pre-alpha. A 8800GTX, single core CPU, and 2GB of RAM are running it maxxed in DX10 in pre-alpha at an insane resolution.

IgGy621985

Yeah well, Crytek and EA say that Crysis is optimized, which I interpret as a standard PR shyte. When they release a official demo, then'll see will it be a "you have 8800GTX, but you need 8800 Ultra in order to get a non-slideshow framerate" case.

You don't know nothing about Crysis so please don't post about it.

Hey man, Crysis is one of my "most wanted" games, I watched all trailers, saw all the screenshots, but when they give me some proof (e.g. a demo) that the game is really that good optimized, then I'll believe it.

They can tell you that they ran the game on P 200 MMX, 32 MB RAM i 2 MB-ed S3 Trio, wrap it up with some PR crap, and voila, people bought it.

Crytek didn't say anything, people have looked inside the machines running Crysis..........please, stop with your nonsense.

[QUOTE="cobrax75"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Killfox"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="mismajor99"][QUOTE="turgore"][QUOTE="dgsag"]

[QUOTE="turgore"]The 360 is still competitive with PCs HuusAsking

No... Find me a game which has 10 sq-km maps with intense unit and particle detail which the World Of Conflict Beta has on 360..

World of Conflict is coming to 360 you know . Find me a PC game that blows away gears especially on a $ 400 PC.

First off, that's not true. But more importantly, WHY would you want to play an RTS on the 360? That's just silly when you can play it on PC with much better graphics. WiC is amazing, and after playing the beta over the past 2 weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to see a GOTY nomination, as it's just that good.

PC gaming is cheaper. I would never play my 360 if i didnt have a 50 inch plasma. There is a noticeable difference when playing on an SDTV than playing on a 50 inch 1080p plasma. Once you have a HDTV you will never want to go back. I feel it is necessary to add the cost of a TV when playing a console. I dont feel you get a full next gen experience without one. Whoever bought a 360 and doesnt have an HDTV is stupid. Theres only a few games that you cant tell the difference between HD and SD.

As for SDTVs, unless it's the difference between missing a detail that costs you the battle and finding out that little detail, what difference does it make? They could always step up later.

PS. The HDTV can be offset by its multiple function. IOW, you can use the HDTV to watch HDTV programming.

you can watch TV through a monitor....

and what all of you seem to leave out, is the fact that PC's are used for much more then gaming.

TV tuner card...you can get one for less then $20.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"][QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="blacktorn"]That's the same case with the current 360 and the first xbox (not so much),kameo,pdz,viva Pinata look better than anything you can get on the pc.HuusAsking

No.

FEAR on max has better graphics than both Kameo and PDZ. It did win Gamespot's best graphics award for 2005 for a reason

No, and you're point? It's cheaper for me to be a PC gamer than a console gamer. That's all there is to it. The upfront cost may be more if you are just starting out, but if you've been PC gaming for a while it's cheaper (at least for me). Why do I need a monitor, keyboard, mouse, HDD, case, CD/DVD drive, OS if I already have all of that? There are soooo many hidden costs in console gaming that console fanboys seem to not mention also. How can you play with your friends (which PC haters use as an arguement of why console gaming is better) if you only have 1 controller? Uh oh, add another $150 for 3 controllers. How are you going to play online without $50 a year for XBL? Uh oh, add another $250 for 5 years. If you don't have an HDTV (which most people don't, it's relatively new technology, MUUUUUCH newer than monitors with HD resolutions, which most people already have), how are you going to get graphics even close to the quality of PC games? Uh oh, add another $500+. You can use you're monitor, although there goes "TEH BIG SCREENZ" and "TEH COUCHZ" arguements PC haters looove to use. Want you're 360 on that shiny new HDTV in you're living room, but don't have any interent access there? Uh oh, add another $100 for a wireless adapter. Some of these things might not apply to you, but you can see where I'm getting at. Console gaming would be more expensive for me, but maybe not for you.