MS responed to GamePro's "some games are better on PS3" story.. kinda

Quick question. Does anyone know what Home is going to cost, or is it a free service? Not flamebait, just curious.HarryCrackage

Early reports indicate Home will be free with it containing either micro transactions or in game advertising for revenue purposes. We won't know though until it is released.

[QUOTE="niall077"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Their response sounded like something you would expect from a SW poster. "Bu buh teh sales, achievements and rumble!" :cry: Their only real argument seems to be that Live makes games better. Is it really that hard to imagine that a free service with dedicated servers could be better in some games than p2p Live.dhjohns

Yeh, I agree. Not to mention Live requires you to pay subscription and pay again for marketplace items which should be free anyway:

http://kotaku.com/351204/epic-still-fighting-for-ut3-mods-on-360

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

This is the kind of bullish behaviour that cements why MS has a reputation as a money hungry souless corporation

Yeah Sony doesn't want your cash. :roll:

sure they want money but they are not milking people left right and center. ;)

Home- not out yet. So you can't speak about it. PSN should be free in comparison to XBL. No one would pay for it in its current state. Demos are on XBL as well, so I am not sure of your point there. I am not defending MS, but rabid cows seem to think MS is evil and Sony is altruistic. :lol: That last part is just too funny.

[QUOTE="HarryCrackage"]Quick question. Does anyone know what Home is going to cost, or is it a free service? Not flamebait, just curious.dhjohns

Early reports indicate Home will be free with it containing either micro transactions or in game advertising for revenue purposes. We won't know though until it is released.

Gotcha. It sounds promising but I take promises from all three of the big corporations with a grain of salt. Hopefully, its everything the fans are expecting. Thanks dhjohns.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="HarryCrackage"]Quick question. Does anyone know what Home is going to cost, or is it a free service? Not flamebait, just curious.HarryCrackage

Early reports indicate Home will be free with it containing either micro transactions or in game advertising for revenue purposes. We won't know though until it is released.

Gotcha. It sounds promising but I take promises from all three of the big corporations with a grain of salt. Hopefully, its everything the fans are expecting. Thanks dhjohns.

Agreed. We ahall see. I am not too excited for home. I think it is neat but if it is just like second life on the PS3, I will pass. I want to play games and not hang out at my friend's virtual house. However, if it lives up to its billing, it is a nice addition to the PS3.

just saying to get demos on time on XBL you need to pay the $50 since silver members have to wait a week.

niall077

XBL has so much more content than PSN. I have both and the comparison is not even close. This better be true though as MS is charging you. I do think PSN will get better over time. Software is not Sony's forte, like hardware isnt's MS's forte. Sony needs more time to implement more features.

just saying to get demos on time on XBL you need to pay the $50 since silver members have to wait a week.

niall077

they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4-Sniper99-

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4dhjohns

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

When it comes to online games I have to agree, I would buy 360 everytime simply for the live functionality.

Gamerscore, achievements and rumble I place much less value on. In fact for single player games I would probably lean towards PC and take adavantage of the mod scene.

cakeorrdeath

Interesting.....

Exactly what IS it about Live you do like or find valuable.

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4dhjohns

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

I don't think MGS4 is a good item to prove a point. As you, dhjohns, have demonstrated. But you do have to see that MS may be a little on their guard over the recent success of the PS3 and the absolute media flip from last year to this one.

Does that mean MS is freaking out? I don't think so. But the nerves are hyped.

[QUOTE="niall077"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Their response sounded like something you would expect from a SW poster. "Bu buh teh sales, achievements and rumble!" :cry: Their only real argument seems to be that Live makes games better. Is it really that hard to imagine that a free service with dedicated servers could be better in some games than p2p Live.dhjohns

Yeh, I agree. Not to mention Live requires you to pay subscription and pay again for marketplace items which should be free anyway:

http://kotaku.com/351204/epic-still-fighting-for-ut3-mods-on-360

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

This is the kind of bullish behaviour that cements why MS has a reputation as a money hungry souless corporation

Yeah Sony doesn't want your cash. :roll:

sure they want money but they are not milking people left right and center. ;)

Home- not out yet. So you can't speak about it. PSN should be free in comparison to XBL. No one would pay for it in its current state. Demos are on XBL as well, so I am not sure of your point there. I am not defending MS, but rabid cows seem to think MS is evil and Sony is altruistic. :lol: That last part is just too funny.

There is a difference between conducting business as usual and using bad business ethics.................

[QUOTE="VladTheImpaler"]

imelitenow

PS3 has rumble, online games, just no gamerscore and I don't think that gamerscores arent that important

Huh?

If you look at a gamerscore, it just says to me, my number is bigger than your number so i must be better

Really, When I saw a high gamescore, I thought to myself, that person needs a life, girlfriend or a job.

Really, When I saw a high gamescore, I thought to myself, that person needs a life, girlfriend or a job.

CubanBlunt

A. You need a job to spend 60 bucks a pop on the games

B. Maintaining your job usually demands that you have some sort of a life

C. Only people who find it hard to get girls (women) think it's actually hard to get a woman (it isn't).

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4-Sniper99-

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so even if I list games that I think is better, you may disagree. You are right the potential is there, but let's wait and see it first.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4StringGuard

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

I don't think MGS4 is a good item to prove a point. As you, dhjohns, have demonstrated. But you do have to see that MS may be a little on their guard over the recent success of the PS3 and the absolute media flip from last year to this one.

Does that mean MS is freaking out? I don't think so. But the nerves are hyped.

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

There is a difference between conducting business as usual and using bad business ethics.................

donwoogie

Yeah Sony is beyond reproach. :roll:

[QUOTE="CubanBlunt"]

Really, When I saw a high gamescore, I thought to myself, that person needs a life, girlfriend or a job.

heretrix

A. You need a job to spend 60 bucks a pop on the games

B. Maintaining your job usually demands that you have some sort of a life

C. Only people who find it hard to get girls (women) think it's actually hard to get a woman (it isn't).

See my GS below. I have no life? Hmmm, that hurts. :cry:

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4dhjohns

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so even if I list games that I think is better, you may disagree. You are right the potential is there, but let's wait and see it first.

In all honesty, have you played Uncharted?

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

dhjohns

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Their response sounded like something you would expect from a SW poster. "Bu buh teh sales, achievements and rumble!" :cry: Their only real argument seems to be that Live makes games better. Is it really that hard to imagine that a free service with dedicated servers could be better in some games than p2p Live.niall077

Yeh, I agree. Not to mention Live requires you to pay subscription and pay again for marketplace items which should be free anyway:

http://kotaku.com/351204/epic-still-fighting-for-ut3-mods-on-360

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

This is the kind of bullish behaviour that cements why MS has a reputation as a money hungry souless corporation

Yeah Sony doesn't want your cash. :roll:

sure they want money but they are not milking people left right and center. ;)

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

Cute_Red_Panda

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

Yea and I'm sure the Sixaxis/Dualshock 3 debacle was all part of the plan. You can see the boardroom now 'OK guys, don't include rumble in the controller and tell people it isn't needed and then 1 year and a half later, introduce a new controller with rumble. Afterall, our customers are dumb enough to spend the extra money.'

[QUOTE="niall077"]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

basically Microsoft say there 360 is better then ps3 because of XBL, gamerscore, and rumble.

I guess they dont see systematic Hardware Failure's and pay to play online a bad thing?

imelitenow

PS3 has rumble, online games, just no gamerscore and I don't think that gamerscores arent that important

So the fact that the PS3s online is free doesn't matter? The fact that the PS3s come with a BR HD movie player doesn't matter? The fact that PS3s are extremely reliable and 360s get RROD and other failures doesn't matter? The built in WiFi on PS3s doesn't matter? The memory stick slots on the PS3 don't help make it better? The fact that all PS3 have had standard HDMI since day 1 doesn't matter? I mean how many different models of 360s are they going to make just to catch up to what a PS3 has been able to do since day 1?

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="-Sniper99-"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="-Sniper99-"]they're just mad because the potential of PS3 is starting to show with games like Uncharted and MGS4gamingqueen

Come again? Have you played MGS4? Me thinks not. And Uncharted is a great game, I really liked it; however, let's not get carried away. It is a great game but not beyond the pale of what the 360 lineup has to offer.

As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so even if I list games that I think is better, you may disagree. You are right the potential is there, but let's wait and see it first.

In all honesty, have you played Uncharted?

Yes. I really liked it. :|

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

DXGreat1_HGL

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

Yea and I'm sure the Sixaxis/Dualshock 3 debacle was all part of the plan. You can see the boardroom now 'OK guys, don't include rumble in the controller and tell people it isn't needed and then 1 year and a half later, introduce a new controller with rumble. Afterall, our customers are dumb enough to spend the extra money.'

They were sued by that Immersion Corp. company for having rumble in their PS2 controllers. So they decided not to put it in the PS3 controllers. Then Immersion and them later worked out a deal so Sony could then use it again. You don't know your facts.

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

basically Microsoft say there 360 is better then ps3 because of XBL, gamerscore, and rumble.

I guess they dont see systematic Hardware Failure's and pay to play online a bad thing?

niall077

Hardware failures didn't stop the PS2.

I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. Udsen

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

[QUOTE="imelitenow"][QUOTE="niall077"]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

basically Microsoft say there 360 is better then ps3 because of XBL, gamerscore, and rumble.

I guess they dont see systematic Hardware Failure's and pay to play online a bad thing?

patriots7672

PS3 has rumble, online games, just no gamerscore and I don't think that gamerscores arent that important

So the fact that the PS3s online is free doesn't matter? The fact that the PS3s come with a BR HD movie player doesn't matter? The fact that PS3s are extremely reliable and 360s get RROD and other failures doesn't matter? The built in WiFi on PS3s doesn't matter? The memory stick slots on the PS3 don't help make it better? The fact that all PS3 have had standard HDMI since day 1 doesn't matter? I mean how many different models of 360s are they going to make just to catch up to what a PS3 has been able to do since day 1?

All these things are just what people don't seem to understand.

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. dhjohns

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

You're doing what they want you to do. All hail MS, the worst monopolizing company in the history of technology. I spoke not a word about Sony, so get off it.

[QUOTE="niall077"]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

basically Microsoft say there 360 is better then ps3 because of XBL, gamerscore, and rumble.

I guess they dont see systematic Hardware Failure's and pay to play online a bad thing?

MortalDecay

Hardware failures didn't stop the PS2.

the ps2 was the only real option back then, now people have a choice

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. Udsen

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

You're doing what they want you to do. All hail MS, the worst monopolizing company in the history of technology. I spoke not a word about Sony, so get off it.

Come again? Not sure what you are ranting about. I used Sony and Nintendo as examples since this is a gaming forum. :shock: Name a Fortune 500 company, any one. They all are equally bad when it comes to these type of practices. Some are just better at it than others. It is reality, apparently you think it is just MS. :roll:

[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. dhjohns

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

You're doing what they want you to do. All hail MS, the worst monopolizing company in the history of technology. I spoke not a word about Sony, so get off it.

Come again? Not sure what you are ranting about. I used Sony and Nintendo as examples since this is a gaming forum. :shock: Name a Fortune 500 company, any one. They all are equally bad when it comes to these type of practices. Some are just better at it than others. It is reality, apparently you think it is just MS. :roll:

MS isn't the only one...they're just the worst. I've had many, many problems with MS and their attitude just turns me off. Why call me out?

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. Udsen

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

You're doing what they want you to do. All hail MS, the worst monopolizing company in the history of technology. I spoke not a word about Sony, so get off it.

Come again? Not sure what you are ranting about. I used Sony and Nintendo as examples since this is a gaming forum. :shock: Name a Fortune 500 company, any one. They all are equally bad when it comes to these type of practices. Some are just better at it than others. It is reality, apparently you think it is just MS. :roll:

MS isn't the only one...they're just the worst. I've had many, many problems with MS and their attitude just turns me off. Why call me out?

Why call me out? You obviously have been scarred by MS. No problem. I don't pretend to defend them, I just simply point out, MS is a typical company. You seem to think they are the exception. I don't. No big deal eh?

[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't stand Microsoft. They're one of the worst companies ever. dhjohns

:| And Sony is a champion of justice? Have we forgotten the Nintendo of the 80's?

You're doing what they want you to do. All hail MS, the worst monopolizing company in the history of technology. I spoke not a word about Sony, so get off it.

Come again? Not sure what you are ranting about. I used Sony and Nintendo as examples since this is a gaming forum. :shock: Name a Fortune 500 company, any one. They all are equally bad when it comes to these type of practices. Some are just better at it than others. It is reality, apparently you think it is just MS. :roll:

MS isn't the only one...they're just the worst. I've had many, many problems with MS and their attitude just turns me off. Why call me out?

Why call me out? You obviously have been scarred by MS. No problem. I don't pretend to defend them, I just simply point out, MS is a typical company. You seem to think they are the exception. I don't. No big deal eh?

But it's not just me. A lot of people can't stand Microsoft. Whether it be their lacking customer support that I had to give credit card info to so they'd charge me at the end of the phone call, Stripped down OS that has issues updating, or Hardware failure of a Console.

See, I would be fine with this if MS had good business practices. I still wouldn't buy their stuff (even though I'm really forced to, to play PC games *GFW is amazing, though*), but I'd respect them for being good about it.

Couple hardware/software issues with monopolizing Bigwigs and it just leaves a horrid taste in my mouth. However, you can look past all of that if you really want. I won't, though.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"][QUOTE="donwoogie"]

[QUOTE="EntwineX"]Their response sounded like something you would expect from a SW poster. "Bu buh teh sales, achievements and rumble!" :cry: Their only real argument seems to be that Live makes games better. Is it really that hard to imagine that a free service with dedicated servers could be better in some games than p2p Live.donwoogie

Yeh, I agree. Not to mention Live requires you to pay subscription and pay again for marketplace items which should be free anyway:

http://kotaku.com/351204/epic-still-fighting-for-ut3-mods-on-360

http://kotaku.com/363586/valve-wants-team-fortress-2-maps-free-on-consoles

This is the kind of bullish behaviour that cements why MS has a reputation as a money hungry souless corporation

wow...because microsoft is the only company out to make money right?

No, but it is one of the few souless ones out there..............

And if those stuff can be put on PSN for free then why does MS think it should charge?

and sony isn't?

[QUOTE="dhjohns"]

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

Cute_Red_Panda

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

Do you honestly believe you BS? They've made mistakes and are trying to recover,$600 dollar system was a mistake.

No rumble was a mistake

Late start was a mistake

No real commitment to online service a mistake

Hard to program for was a mistake

If they werent mistakes where is your buddy Ken (the father of PS)? What happened to Phil? All these business moves were a mistake and cost Sony money, they needed to restructure everything they missed out on. You been living it (Multiplats best on 360) and now will have to pay for it (rumble $55). PS3 now $400 true but with missing features.

[QUOTE="imelitenow"][QUOTE="niall077"]

http://www.gamepro.com/microsoft/xbox360/games/features/164668.shtml

basically Microsoft say there 360 is better then ps3 because of XBL, gamerscore, and rumble.

I guess they dont see systematic Hardware Failure's and pay to play online a bad thing?

patriots7672

PS3 has rumble, online games, just no gamerscore and I don't think that gamerscores arent that important

So the fact that the PS3s online is free doesn't matter? The fact that the PS3s come with a BR HD movie player doesn't matter? The fact that PS3s are extremely reliable and 360s get RROD and other failures doesn't matter? The built in WiFi on PS3s doesn't matter? The memory stick slots on the PS3 don't help make it better? The fact that all PS3 have had standard HDMI since day 1 doesn't matter? I mean how many different models of 360s are they going to make just to catch up to what a PS3 has been able to do since day 1?

That is all great stuff that the PS3 can do, but guess what, I play my 360 a lot more. I do play my PS3 more than my Wii and PC. I can take advantage of all the things the PS3 can do, but most people I know don't want all that stuff because they just want to play games on a regular TV. This is why they wanted a 360 because it gives them the option to get the core or pro for less money than the Elite and just play games. Just my opinion, but I like the options this gen!

Reads just like a ReverseCycology post. Stealth Microsoft employee confirmed?

But it's not just me. A lot of people can't stand Microsoft. Whether it be their lacking customer support that I had to give credit card info to so they'd charge me at the end of the phone call, Stripped down OS that has issues updating, or Hardware failure of a Console.

See, I would be fine with this if MS had good business practices. I still wouldn't buy their stuff (even though I'm really forced to, to play PC games *GFW is amazing, though*), but I'd respect them for being good about it.

Couple hardware/software issues with monopolizing Bigwigs and it just leaves a horrid taste in my mouth. However, you can look past all of that if you really want. I won't, though.

Udsen

You make solid points. But if I want to play games on the 360 I need a 360, right? Doesn't mean MS gets a free pass. It just means they get my $$. :cry:

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

But it's not just me. A lot of people can't stand Microsoft. Whether it be their lacking customer support that I had to give credit card info to so they'd charge me at the end of the phone call, Stripped down OS that has issues updating, or Hardware failure of a Console.

See, I would be fine with this if MS had good business practices. I still wouldn't buy their stuff (even though I'm really forced to, to play PC games *GFW is amazing, though*), but I'd respect them for being good about it.

Couple hardware/software issues with monopolizing Bigwigs and it just leaves a horrid taste in my mouth. However, you can look past all of that if you really want. I won't, though.

dhjohns

You make solid points. But if I want to play games on the 360 I need a 360, right? Doesn't mean MS gets a free pass. It just means they get my $$. :cry:

Yep, and there's where subjectivity comes in. The quality of Vista and the 360's hardware is objective. Games that appeal to you are subjective, and I cannot change what you feel, for it is not malleable.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="Udsen"]

But it's not just me. A lot of people can't stand Microsoft. Whether it be their lacking customer support that I had to give credit card info to so they'd charge me at the end of the phone call, Stripped down OS that has issues updating, or Hardware failure of a Console.

See, I would be fine with this if MS had good business practices. I still wouldn't buy their stuff (even though I'm really forced to, to play PC games *GFW is amazing, though*), but I'd respect them for being good about it.

Couple hardware/software issues with monopolizing Bigwigs and it just leaves a horrid taste in my mouth. However, you can look past all of that if you really want. I won't, though.

Udsen

You make solid points. But if I want to play games on the 360 I need a 360, right? Doesn't mean MS gets a free pass. It just means they get my $$. :cry:

Yep, and there's where subjectivity comes in. The quality of Vista and the 360's hardware is objective. Games that appeal to you are subjective, and I cannot change what you feel, for it is not malleable.

I think we are on the same page. :D If I could I wouldn't support a lot of the big bad companies, but alas, I am not that strong. :P

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="dhjohns"]

As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

DXGreat1_HGL

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

Yea and I'm sure the Sixaxis/Dualshock 3 debacle was all part of the plan. You can see the boardroom now 'OK guys, don't include rumble in the controller and tell people it isn't needed and then 1 year and a half later, introduce a new controller with rumble. Afterall, our customers are dumb enough to spend the extra money.'

Was that the same discussion MS had about HDMI in their boardroom?.

I think we are on the same page. :D If I could I wouldn't support a lot of the big bad companies, but alas, I am not that strong. :P

dhjohns

See, I hate MS, but I love GFW. I think it's a great way to not so much create a single platform, but to make it more convenient. There are some things MS have done right and IMO GFW is one of them. Plus MS basically has PC gaming by the throat so I have to use Windows. It's like taking Buckleys -- it tastes awful, but it works. You can bet if Apple got into gaming I'd take them over Windows.

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I think we are on the same page. :D If I could I wouldn't support a lot of the big bad companies, but alas, I am not that strong. :P

Udsen

See, I hate MS, but I love GFW. I think it's a great way to not so much create a single platform, but to make it more convenient. There are some things MS have done right and IMO GFW is one of them. Plus MS basically has PC gaming by the throat so I have to use Windows. It's like taking Buckleys -- it tastes awful, but it works. You can bet if Apple got into gaming I'd take them over Windows.

I second that. I don't own a PC at home. I use one at work, but at home I use the new imac. ;)

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I think we are on the same page. :D If I could I wouldn't support a lot of the big bad companies, but alas, I am not that strong. :P

dhjohns

See, I hate MS, but I love GFW. I think it's a great way to not so much create a single platform, but to make it more convenient. There are some things MS have done right and IMO GFW is one of them. Plus MS basically has PC gaming by the throat so I have to use Windows. It's like taking Buckleys -- it tastes awful, but it works. You can bet if Apple got into gaming I'd take them over Windows.

I second that. I don't own a PC at home. I use one at work, but at home I use the new imac. ;)

Yeah, I really wanted a Macbook. Today I'm picking up an iPod touch 32 gb. I would get an iPhone but living in Canada has it's flaws.

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As they should. The beast that is PS is starting to awake. MS didn't take enough of an advantage, imo, of its head start. Should be interesting.

Deevoshun

Beast is awake? I guess the metaphor was referring to the good news around PS3. That's a misconception. Sony has always had this strategy. It is the media that is finally waking up. What did Sony change from 2007 to 2008? Nothing except the price of the console. The games you'll see in 2008 has been in the pipeline since 2006. It wasn't that they just added blu-ray after defeating HD-DVD. They had Blu-ray from the start. They smartly knew that all PS3s should have standardize HDD. It wasn't like they didn't know online gaming was important. They were building Home since 2005.

The PS3 strategy was set back in 2005. The media and fanboys are now seeing the whole from the parts. The price alienated a lot of people, so they thought it was "justified" to ridicule Sony i.e. "10 things needs to happen for me to buy a PS3? I'm glad the media has woken up.

Do you honestly believe you BS? They've made mistakes and are trying to recover,$600 dollar system was a mistake.

No rumble was a mistake

Late start was a mistake

No real commitment to online service a mistake

Hard to program for was a mistake

If they werent mistakes where is your buddy Ken (the father of PS)? What happened to Phil? All these business moves were a mistake and cost Sony money, they needed to restructure everything they missed out on. You been living it (Multiplats best on 360) and now will have to pay for it (rumble $55). PS3 now $400 true but with missing features.

No he is right, rumble was a legal issue that didnt get resolved until well after the launch of the console. Its also a very easy situation to fix, just make controllers with it now. No big deal. Far from a big mistake.

Late start? Sony has never been the first console out of the gate. It timed it release just fine. It was in a good situation where the 360 was only a year ahead of it and Blu ray tech. had been out for a almost a year too so the technology got cheaper to make early in the PS3s life. So prices were able to adjust.

There is plenty of committment online. It has online service is great for anyone who just wants to play free online. It may not have all the bells and whistles but then again all the 50 dollars people pay for XBL gets you is the ability to play online, not the bells and whistles.

Hard to program is just an exaggeration. Its harder to program then the 360 but easier then the PS2 was so devs will get a handle on it very quick, especially with all the tools available to help them. Multiplats have been better on the 360 in the past because most devs have more experience with the 360 then the PS3 and attempt to port it poorly. However recently many devs have proven that games can run just as good or better on the PS3.

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I just think that MS responding is a over reaction.... its just some sites opinion.

if MS does this to every big site that bashes the 360 its only a matter of time before MS start punishing sites for doing so.

niall077

What are they god now?

You honestly think MS will kill a site just becasue of some bad press? im sorry but theres no way they have that kind of power.

are we still using that unfactual Speculated rumor? please.