MS riped-off Nintendo GC analog placement

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#1 finalfantasy94
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I was wondering if anyone noticed that. I eman I hear some people hating on the GC controller but saying MS xbox and 360 controllers are better. The reason i'm hearinf is because it feels best for shooters and the analog placement. I didn't notice till I had a 360 controller in my hand and it felt good but familiar. Thats when I looked at my GC controller and was like "I cant believe they riped that off". I'm just trying to say when people were like "ps3 controller is a rip of the wiimote" none seem to bring up the fact that MS riped from Nintendo to. The thing is that's what makes the 360 controller feel so right its the analog placement. All they had to do was rip from Nintendo
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#2 Kayrod29
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Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?
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#3 goblaa
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Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29

Thread over.
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#4 bc1391
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Xbox came out before the Gamecube if i'm correct.
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it was xbox 360. the xbox fat controller was woeful. and tc- the spell check button is your friend.
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okay. ripping of features is a valid argumant, but ripping off placement of stuff is dumb. ZOMG! TEH XBOX RIPPED OFF THE SNES ABXY BUTTONS!!!! see? thats stupid.
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#7 Rob2223
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Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29


no, gamecube came out a few months before it: september 2001 (in Japan)

and Xbox 1 came out: November 2001 (in north America)

but 2 months is not enuf time to redesign a controller to copy a competitor.
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I remember back when they first revealed pics of the Xbox controller, the majority of people thought it ripped off the dreamcast controller-except a couple Nintendo fans who thought it was a gamecube controller ripoff.
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#9 Master_Hermes
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[QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?goblaa

Thread over.



Yeah, by only 3 days :roll:.  Still, nobody copied anyone's analog placement.
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And you think Nintendo invented the analog stick ?
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#11 Kayrod29
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[QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Rob2223


no, gamecube came out a few months before it: september 2001 (in Japan)

and Xbox 1 came out: November 2001 (in north America)

but 2 months is not enuf time to redesign a controller to copy a competitor.

Yes I just wiki'd that. And your last statement is wrong, look at the PS3 controller.
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okay. ripping of features is a valid argumant, but ripping off placement of stuff is dumb. ZOMG! TEH XBOX RIPPED OFF THE SNES ABXY BUTTONS!!!! see? thats stupid.FlawlessSeasons

Gamecube came out before xbox but in japan. Also palcement is a big deal. Also im not talking about the buttons im talking about the analog. Which is very important because thats a big key feature people like about the xbox controller thats what makes it feel right. Do you understand what im saying.

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#13 Voryn_Dagoth
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No, the Xbox looks more like the dreamcast controller.
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[QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Rob2223


no, gamecube came out a few months before it: september 2001 (in Japan)

and Xbox 1 came out: November 2001 (in north America)

but 2 months is not enuf time to redesign a controller to copy a competitor.


I believe there were photos and other info on the controller almost a year ahead of time...
But I don't Agree the TC
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[QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29


no, gamecube came out a few months before it: september 2001 (in Japan)

and Xbox 1 came out: November 2001 (in north America)

but 2 months is not enuf time to redesign a controller to copy a competitor.

Yes I just wiki'd that. And your last statement is wrong, look at the PS3 controller.


Nintendo announced the Wii controller at TGS in September 2005. Sony unveiled motion-sensing at E3 2006, over half a year later, and didn't release the PS3 for another year. It's completely different.
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#16 -voodoo_child-
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Well, I guess you could say they both stole the PS1 dual analog and placed the sticks differently to cover it up. But then you'd have to say the dual analog copied the N64 analog stick. And didn't sega invent the analog stick? (or so I heared...)
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#17 Rob2223
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[QUOTE="Rob2223"][QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29


no, gamecube came out a few months before it: september 2001 (in Japan)

and Xbox 1 came out: November 2001 (in north America)

but 2 months is not enuf time to redesign a controller to copy a competitor.

Yes I just wiki'd that. And your last statement is wrong, look at the PS3 controller.



:lol: i stand corrected.
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Well, I guess you could say they both stole the PS1 dual analog and placed the sticks differently to cover it up. But then you'd have to say the dual analog copied the N64 analog stick. And didn't sega invent the analog stick? (or so I heared...)-voodoo_child-
Sega was not the first one to use analog stick. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_stick
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#19 -voodoo_child-
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No, the Xbox looks more like the dreamcast controller.Voryn_Dagoth
   I agree.
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#20 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Voryn_Dagoth"]No, the Xbox looks more like the dreamcast controller.-voodoo_child-
   I agree.

Well in shape and size hell yea lol.

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Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29
o didnt the ps3 come out befor the wii. owned!
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No, the Xbox looks more like the dreamcast controller.Voryn_Dagoth
yea there nearly the same just added analog
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I was wondering if anyone noticed that. I eman I hear some people hating on the GC controller but saying MS xbox and 360 controllers are better. The reason i'm hearinf is because it feels best for shooters and the analog placement. I didn't notice till I had a 360 controller in my hand and it felt good but familiar. Thats when I looked at my GC controller and was like "I cant believe they riped that off". I'm just trying to say when people were like "ps3 controller is a rip of the wiimote" none seem to bring up the fact that MS riped from Nintendo to. The thing is that's what makes the 360 controller feel so right its the analog placement. All they had to do was rip from Nintendofinalfantasy94

Naruto dubs sucks. Mostly because they got 20 yr old voices for 70 yr old characters and VAs that just don't fit the character.

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It was actually devised by the DreamCast team. It just failed before it was implemented. Look at the controller and you can see where the obvious second stick would be added. This thread is nonsense.
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[QUOTE="FlawlessSeasons"]okay. ripping of features is a valid argumant, but ripping off placement of stuff is dumb. ZOMG! TEH XBOX RIPPED OFF THE SNES ABXY BUTTONS!!!! see? thats stupid.finalfantasy94

Gamecube came out before xbox but in japan. Also palcement is a big deal. Also im not talking about the buttons im talking about the analog. Which is very important because thats a big key feature people like about the xbox controller thats what makes it feel right. Do you understand what im saying.

Are you saying they completely redesigned their controller based off a competitor and manufactured enough for their console launch in seven weeks? :|
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i don't like the gc controller because of the wierd octagon analog stick and because of hoe narrow the handles are
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#27 tocool340
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[QUOTE="Kayrod29"]Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?goblaa

Thread over.

Didn't they come out about the same time. But the GC was about a few days later from the Xbox?
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Upset that microsoft might when this gen?
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#29 Franklinstein
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Didn't Xbox come out before Gamecube?Kayrod29

No, they came out at the same time...

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:| That's weak.
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To be perfectly honest, Nintendo came up with the basic design of a controller in the first place... With the NES, then they added shoulder buttons on the SNES, then a joystick and rumble on the N64, then wireless on the Gamecube, and now motion sensing on the Wii(along with other features)

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[QUOTE="-voodoo_child-"][QUOTE="Voryn_Dagoth"]No, the Xbox looks more like the dreamcast controller.finalfantasy94

   I agree.

Well in shape and size hell yea lol.

The letters are in the same place on the controller also and same order (A, Y, B and X). The buttons have the same colours but in different order though.
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OMG the xbox controller ripped off the GC controller for the "A" botton too!!

And the xbox controller also uses plastic material like the GC controller.........teh copy!!

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To be perfectly honest, Nintendo came up with the basic design of a controller in the first place... With the NES, then they added shoulder buttons on the SNES, then a joystick and rumble on the N64, then wireless on the Gamecube, and now motion sensing on the Wii(along with other features)

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Intellivision was the 1st game pad (NES was the 1st "D" pad), Atari 5200 was 1st for analog + shoulder buttons. PCs had true force feedback sticks back when N64 introduced "rumble". Wireless controllers date back to the Atari 2600---maybe even before. Motion sensing was on the 2600 "Le Stick" controller 25+ years ago.
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#35 finalfantasy94
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Upset that microsoft might when this gen?ninjiijitsu

LOL no im just stating something that i noticed.

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#36 finalfantasy94
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OMG the xbox controller ripped off the GC controller for the "A" botton too!!

And the xbox controller also uses plastic material like the GC controller.........teh copy!!

Mad_Rhetoric

Where did i mention the buttons? Please think before you post.

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#37 zh666
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i don't like the gc controller because of the wierd octagon analog stick and because of hoe narrow the handles aresolidsnakeo


actually, thats why i love the GC controller, it gives it more precise control and aiming
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If Microsoft copied analog stick then Wii copied motion controllers from Microsoft's sidewinder on PC.
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#39 Tony_aaaa
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If Microsoft copied analog stick then Wii copied motion controllers from Microsoft's sidewinder on PC.  rexoverbey
NO, Atari 2600 was 1st, read 5 or so posts above this one.
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And you think Nintendo invented the analog stick ?Felous1

no but they did standardize it. :wink:

Like almost everything else they made it workable.

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#41 coonana
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Both the PS2 and GC setup for controllers works fine.
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[QUOTE="rexoverbey"]If Microsoft copied analog stick then Wii copied motion controllers from Microsoft's sidewinder on PC.  Tony_aaaa
NO, Atari 2600 was 1st, read 5 or so posts above this one.

Le stick was a mercury joystick and was nowhere near true motion sensing. It used mercury switches plus I don't even remember it releasing in the US. On top of that I could of said GC wavebird stole from Atari too since it launched the first wireless controller. Everyone steals from Atari in some way so Nintendo is not revolutionary either that was my point.
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#43 Tony_aaaa
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[QUOTE="Tony_aaaa"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]If Microsoft copied analog stick then Wii copied motion controllers from Microsoft's sidewinder on PC.  rexoverbey
NO, Atari 2600 was 1st, read 5 or so posts above this one.

Le stick was a mercury joystick and was nowhere near true motion sensing. It used mercury switches plus I don't even remember it releasing in the US. On top of that I could of said GC wavebird stole from Atari too since it launched the first wireless controller. Everyone steals from Atari in some way so Nintendo is not revolutionary either that was my point.

Well, Le Stick did respond to tilting.....so it was the 1st (albit VERY liminted) motion sensing controller. Agreed about Nintendo getting WAY too much credit. Funny that no one remembers all the garbage controllers Nintendo tried....Remember the power-glove or U-force controller? 
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[QUOTE="rexoverbey"][QUOTE="Tony_aaaa"][QUOTE="rexoverbey"]If Microsoft copied analog stick then Wii copied motion controllers from Microsoft's sidewinder on PC.  Tony_aaaa
NO, Atari 2600 was 1st, read 5 or so posts above this one.

Le stick was a mercury joystick and was nowhere near true motion sensing. It used mercury switches plus I don't even remember it releasing in the US. On top of that I could of said GC wavebird stole from Atari too since it launched the first wireless controller. Everyone steals from Atari in some way so Nintendo is not revolutionary either that was my point.

Well, Le Stick did respond to tilting.....so it was the 1st (albit VERY liminted) motion sensing controller. Agreed about Nintendo getting WAY too much credit. Funny that no one remembers all the garbage controllers Nintendo tried....Remember the power-glove or U-force controller? 

neither of them is copying.

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I was wondering if anyone noticed that. I eman I hear some people hating on the GC controller but saying MS xbox and 360 controllers are better. The reason i'm hearinf is because it feels best for shooters and the analog placement. I didn't notice till I had a 360 controller in my hand and it felt good but familiar. Thats when I looked at my GC controller and was like "I cant believe they riped that off". I'm just trying to say when people were like "ps3 controller is a rip of the wiimote" none seem to bring up the fact that MS riped from Nintendo to. The thing is that's what makes the 360 controller feel so right its the analog placement. All they had to do was rip from Nintendofinalfantasy94
*cow alert* Where else would they have put it? Up their ***? If they put it where the dpad is it would have been a "copy of sony" so i don't get your point. The reason they put the analog where they put it it's because it's better off there. I never use the dpad- not even for fighters... do you use dpad when you go to the arcade?