MS taking a huge risk... getting overconfident

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]Theres a Freight Train coming over the next 12 months with Sonys name on it. Mark my words. They have secured all they need and a Price Drop is going to be the devastator.WilliamRLBaker

because the 360 cannot match or beat the price drop...and first...

Didn't you get the memo?

The X360 is staying at $300 for the rest of this gen

What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.

xscrapzx

I understand where you are coming from, but I think you have this all wrong.

The TC's point is that instead of working on their first party games, Microsoft chose to work on this. However, NATAL may be a faliure, and in the end, got them behind in the exclusive war, because Lionhead and RARE were working on this.

I understand where the TC is coming from too.

However, I don't agree that this will affect the sales anymore than they are right now. New things are rarely spotted by the average person who doesn't follow the gaming world like we do.

Rare's talent walked out the door with the Stamper brothers. Never was the same there after losing Nintendo's protective bubble. As for Lionhead, we'll have to see how Natal and Stevie Spielblurb fix up Milo for Fable 12.5 and a new WW2 shooter! Seriously though... MS overconfident? Showing their arrorance? Surely you must be kidding, right?

anarchist4eva

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IMO Natal isn't about catching Wii, the Wii is too far ahead.

Natal is about reinvigorating the Xbox 360, boosting momentum in a console that is nearly 4 years old and Microosft are looking at the successor to the Xbox 360.

Kashiwaba

Hate to burst your bubble but Natal and the PS ball on a stick thing are both desperate attempts to latch on to the Casuals that Nintendo are already occupying.

And Nintendo Wii moton + shows us that Nintendo is worried about MS and Sony motion control.

When M+ was presented last year while Sony and MS motion controls were presented this year? Yeah that totally makes sense... :roll:

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What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think you have this all wrong.

The TC's point is that instead of working on their first party games, Microsoft chose to work on this. However, NATAL may be a faliure, and in the end, got them behind in the exclusive war, because Lionhead and RARE were working on this.

I understand where the TC is coming from too.

However, I don't agree that this will affect the sales anymore than they are right now. New things are rarely spotted by the average person who doesn't follow the gaming world like we do.

"Overconfident" or not, MS (and of course, all the devs) are making an awesome line-up for the 360 (with an "accessible" price). I don't see any "risk" on it.IronBass

MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. killerbeejp

[QUOTE="killerbeejp"]MS has two of their biggest developers, RARE and Lion Head, working on project NATAL. One of the reasons MS is still lacking future exclusives. MS doesnt have enough exclusive developers to move two big studios to a project like Natal and neglect the base 360 fanbase. Getting overconfident as if they've already beat Sony and can afford to focus on catching Wii with Natal. However, Sony still has a lot of big games for Ps3 coming out and is selling at a better pace than 360 did at this point in it's life. An inevitable price drop for Ps3 would surely close the gap, and in time, move Ps3 ahead of 360 in sales. Does MS really think NATAL is going to help them? What if Natal fails? Then they just wasted alot of time from their two big developers RARE and Lionhead. Add-ons like Natal are historically failures - 32x, Sega CD, EyeToy, The SNES glove, etc. They would've been better off launching an entirely new system in a couple years. But now with this "10 year cycle" of the 360 they are claiming, it gives ps3 more than enough time to catch, and surpass the 360. MCGSMB

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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"]

What I don't understand is ever since E3 all I have seen is everyone talk about how Natal is going to be this and that anda big failure and so on and so forth. My question is why is everyone forgetting that Sony has shown a motion sensor controller as well but yet no one is saying anything about it or atleast to that of the heat that Natal is getting? With that being said TC why are you not saying the same for Sony? I mean to me you are being a hypocrite.

xscrapzx

I understand where you are coming from, but I think you have this all wrong.

The TC's point is that instead of working on their first party games, Microsoft chose to work on this. However, NATAL may be a faliure, and in the end, got them behind in the exclusive war, because Lionhead and RARE were working on this.

I understand where the TC is coming from too.

However, I don't agree that this will affect the sales anymore than they are right now. New things are rarely spotted by the average person who doesn't follow the gaming world like we do.

They don't have to work on one project at a time, but when people start multitasking, it starts to get bad.

They could have one good product, or they could work on more projects at the same time if they wanted to. However, this one add on isn't a surefire sucess, motion control and similar has always had a bad luck strain to it recently. The point is, if they get too many projects at once, we could have two half baked products versus one good add on, or a few good exclusives.

The claim where the sales would change I believe went to far, but I sum it up in my last sentence.

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In case you didn't notice, MS demo'd plenty of games at their E3 Pressy that didn't use Natal

killerbeejp

All I see is Microsoft putting two really good developers on the Natal so that when it launches, it won't be like the 32x and Sega CD where all the launch games are crap and only garbage developers are working on it. Rare is a company who could probably make a really good family friendly game for the system. That's one audience MS wants it to appeal to. Say what you want about Peter M, but the guy has vision. If there was anyone you want working on it, it's him. He's not just going to shoehorn hand flicks into a game. He may talk insanely big but at the end of the day he makes good games and you can't deny that. He's got the vision to actually shoot for something big.