MS to Reveal Xbox VR Headset at E3 2015 Update-Dev Kits sent

i said on the big stage idiot. as in during the actual keynote presentation and not tucked away on the side where only a select few get to try it out and see. see, those are the little things about English you need to understand and notice dummy. that way, you have clearer conversations and less people calling you an idiot. a little less...

Yeah you know because you worked on the xbox one project....

Man STFU and stop the silly ass theories the xbox one is a weak ass console because MS had a vision of Kinect,no used games,DRM always online TV box crap vision,and by the time the whole thing blew in their face it was to late for any changes,if the xbox one had hidden power there would not be no need for a last minute over clock to get something more..lol

Actually the XBO runs hotter than the PS4 even that it has no internal PSU and runs 5 watts lower,MS is a failure designing units..lol

It was on E3 2014..

By the time MS talk about it people already know sony's one...

Sony did not show off their VR set during their E3 presentation. it was shown off stage to a limited number of people. if they did, link it to me with me a timestamp for when exactly it was shown during the presentation and i'll have no problem apologizing.

Still not convinced by all this VR stuff

I'm actually interested in VR tech. I don't think it'll be much of a war though. People will get it for whatever device they have. I think Microsoft is doing it because Sony is. They don't want it to be a selling point for PS4.

You realize Kinect will actually give MS an advantage with VR when it comes to head tracking right?

and no, they didn't start talking about it when morpheus showed up, MS Announced they where already working on VR around the same time SONY announced Morpheus

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/03/18/microsoft-reportedly-working-on-a-vr-headset-for-xbox-one

March 18th 2014

http://www.sony.com/SCA/company-news/press-releases/sony-computer-entertainment-america-inc/2014/sony-computer-entertainment-announces-project-morp.shtml

March 18th 2014

It's not a surprise to learn that MS where also already looking into VR technology, the Advanced Tracking feature in Kinect make it the perfect Base for a VR head set, much better than SONY's move.

Heres how it will go down, SONY's VR will have the crisper, higher resolution head set but thanks to Kinect Microsofts VR head set will have better tracking across the board

Even you have to Concede that Kinect will allow better tracking across the board for VR than SONY's Move.

SONY's will look better (resolution, Crisper picture,ETC) at 1080p

MS VR will have better tracking But will be 720p

Which is where Irony sets in , you will have Lower Framerates on the PS4 VR But the Xbone VR will Screen tear like theres no tomorrow so i would still rather go with Morpheus.

Personally i don't think Xbone has enough juice for VR because you really need 1080p at 60fps otherwise it's trash.

The only platform where VR is going to go anywhere is on PC. Without the strong independent developer base wanting to explore possibilities without being restricted by a closed platform (i.e. hardware power not being a bottleneck), VR is just going to be yet another gimmick/novelty on consoles, just like motion controls and Kinect was (both of which had quite the strides on PC, ironically).

Personally, I think I'd rather have, in an ideal world, a three monitor setup with track IR than something like Oculus Rift. That way I can still see any peripherals I might be using.

I'm excited to see what comes out for VR, and may get Morpheus. Not sure about the idea of games with frequent, fast-paced action in VR, but it could still be suitable for many types of games. Sure, they may have to scale down the graphics in some cases as a result of going for 1080p/60FPS, but they could still be acceptable.

@tormentos: Stupid Mf we always online anyway so what is the point? If you think my xbox runs hotter than my ps4 you out of your mind please go copy and paste some more bullshit my ps4 has been up too 140 degress, my xbox has never gotten up that high and I keep the xbox running 24/7 since 25th of nov 2013, My ps4 hot as hell play TLOU i wouldn't dare keep in on for more than a whole day. I don't need theories I know what I know and thats all I know.

...which is apparently not very much

lol M$

Fucking ProjectNatalFan was the worse fucking troll we had on this site.

I don't understand why they can't just ban all his accounts. Isn't it still ban dodging despite the looser restrictions.

If you try to use a VR headset with a console...you're going to have a bad time.

Time Traveler.

The game sucked, but I still thought it was fucking awesome. Last time I saw one was about 20 years ago. I always used to wonder the same, they really could have pushed further with that stuff.

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On topic, VR porn bros. Whoever taps that market first wins.

I believe that the Kinect can't do head tracking all that well because it only records in 30fps or something, it needs to do 60 to do so. But hey, the Kinect can read your heartbeat. So there's that, I guess.

You mean rumours and mutterings based on inside sources? Strange that VR doesn't show up on their leaked road map from 2011 when Sony's been working on Morpheus since 2010.

I thought it was? Wasn't it the project Fortaleza thing?

I'm not expecting much from this, I don't think it's going to be true VR like Oculus Rift, I don't believe consoles can pull this off at the moment. This is going to be some AR thing, that will show you more in your surroundings while gaming, takes less compute power, and can be used without an Xbox One

Fortaleza is Augmented Reality (AR), which are normal glasses that would put up a HUD or produce a sort of hologram in the room with you. It's a lot better than that Illuminiroom stuff.

The xbox one runs hotter it is a fact,yeah i know you keep your fake xbox one on all the time just like your fake PS4 get hotter,you are a moron who invent shit and it will not change my links >>>>>>>>> your made up shit..

But keep the hopes alive soon the xbox one will turn on its SLI setup and dual Hawaii GPU..hahaha

Tracking of VR is not up to Kinect that is what the VR set up is for and should work without it,if they implement Kinect on it they probably ruin it.

Oculus rift that i know off doesn't use any camera,what sony did was show how both can interact move,the camera and Morpheous,but i don't think VR will need a camera at all to work..

He is Foxbatalpha if i am not mistaken.

Yeah, I think it's going to be that. If they have tested VR, then they probably know that the Xbox One can't pull it off, or it has some secret sauce. So I think they are going with AR glasses, that can actually enhance the game experience, a bit like the Illuminiroom, and at the same time some usecases for real life

@tormentos: hey where's the link to Sony showing off their VR device on the main stage during their E3 presentation at the last E3, gawtdammit?? you like posting links, so post that one. or at least say you were wrong...

You are aware VR is notoriously difficult to demonstrate with actually using the hardware, right?

Sure hope MS doesn't mess this up like they messed up Kinect.

You are almost always mistaken, so...

foxbatalpha is not PNF.

Yeah that will be a nice fake show the one MS will do showing VR on stage is stupid is not something you can show like that you have to experience idiot..

Maybe we can add it to the fake list with Starwars acted demo and the Milo crap that we still waiting for..hahahaa

He doesn't know that is tymeservesfate remember the dude is severely limited.

oh, so you were just wrong and don't want to admit it? got it lol.

what was in question was did Sony show their VR during their stage presentation at the last E3...they didnt, like i said. now if MS finds a way to show their VR at next years E3 will you admit you were wrong then? we could form a nice little bet on it...you like system wars bets right?

-GrenadeLauncher and Tormentos teaming up...goodlord the idiocy of this could reach epic proportions, lol.-

anyway, Tormey...what's the bet? if MS finds a way to show it...you leave, or vice versa if they don't? i'm sure many people would like you or me gone off here...so lets do it :]

I pasted a link all over your sorry face already it was at E3 2014 so yeah been there done that for sony..

And this is why microsoft pushed that kinect on people, ladies and gentleman

I'm willing to bet that M$ has been working on this technology for twice as long as Sony has. The thing they have in their R&D labs are very cool. And they should be. In 2013 M$ spent about 1/2 of Sony's net worth just in R&D yearly. Also, Sony likes to get the hype train rolling way before a product is ready. M$ is usually more reserved and likes to wait things out until it is closer to release.

It will be interesting to see if VR is worth it. I will also be interested in the requirements. I game on a project in my media room and am concerned about the refresh rates required to do VR. Although, i will probably be due for another projector by the time VR gets mainstream.

No you haven't, LOL. He clearly asked, link where Sony showed Morpheus during their E3 2014 press conference. And not just a photo of the device, but actual footage, and that it was working ON STAGE. You couldn't provide this but kept claiming they did. Keep trying, keep lying.

The story of MS, always 2 or 3 steps behind Sony.

Sony's been demonstrating their tech to people (and you can read about their experiences if you like) since January.

Also they didn't show Morpheus at E3 because it's hard to demonstrate VR outside of a headset. You really are dense.

I'm willing to bet they've been wasting all their time on Kinect and Fortaleza. MS caught sleeping at the wheel again.

Sony brought its PlayStation 4 virtual reality headset Project Morpheus to E3 earlier this month, allowing attendees to try out the upcoming head-mounted display. Now, Sony has published a video called "Faces of Morpheus" that highlights people's reactions to using it.

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/watch-people-s-reactions-to-using-ps4-headset-project-morpheus/1100-6420716/

E3 2014 Bitch.

TGS 2014 ....

So yeah sony showed people the Morpheus in E3 and TGS it was playable conferences last 2 hours E3 last days,you and him both owned like the sad lemmings you both are..hahahaa

Butbutbut sony didn't show Morpheus on E3 it was just a photo..lol

He is dense i pasted another link this one from this own site stating and showing a video of Morpheus been play at E3...hahahaa Lets see hes damage control...lol

Maybe what he want is a fake presentation like MS use to do with Kinect making fake video with actors memorizing dances and games and pretending they were playing or like Milo..hahahaa

Tormented, please, stop playing dumb you dumb little shit lol. i said, on the E3 stage...during their presentation at E3. not at a side booth thats only presented to a limited number of people, the E3 stage, the live presentation...on the stage during the live broadcast. they DID NOT showcase their VR during their E3 presentation this year. they DID NOT...you first wrote me saying they did when they clearly DID NOT. so you were wrong...you're just trying to twist and spin the situation now. but you just spoke too soon and are flat out wrong in this situation.

now to this bet:-Tormey...what's the bet? if MS finds a way to show it...you leave, or vice versa if they don't? i'm sure many people would like you or me gone off here...so lets do it :]-

or will you slink away now because you just posted a gang of links and videos of Sony showing off their VR publicly...showing that its not impossible to show VR publicly like the BS excuse you and grenadelauncher tried to use at first...nitwit.

How the fu** MS can show VR tech on a tech other that just showing photos or videos of people playing.? VR is something you have to try for your self to experience you can watch it on a freaking screen.?

Again what you want is something like this..

This is what you want a a totally fake experience not representative of actual gameplay.

I could care less about the E3 presentation,it was on E3 playable to actual people rather than those who can't play anything over the internet.

It was on E3 and on the E3 floor and playable so yeah by the time MS arrive on E3 with that shit playable sony will be been there done that like i told you,you can hide on the whole on stage crap FACT is it was on E3 and playable to any one there which is more than you can play seating on your house seeing a conference on the internet.

Stop the bullshit finding a way to demo something is not the same as actually demoing it,look at Kinect and how MS basically faked all its Kinect presentations,we still waiting for Milo you know.?

Fact is sony showed its VR tech to the crowd on E3 2014 people saw it and play with it,and on TGS again did the same,sony first show it in CES in January so yeah by the time MS show their own it would be like a year and a half since Sony show it VR,oh and you don't know in what stage MS one is,if it was ready to be show this year it would have been show,yet it wasn't and sony one was so yeah sony is ahead..

So yeah fallow the leader..hahaha

@tormentos: How the fu** MS can show VR tech on a tech other that just showing photos or videos of people playing.?

you idiot, you just posted this shit, smh.

anyway, you responded to my initial post saying that Sony had indeed shown their VR on stage during their E3 presentation. i said they did not...which they didnt. i then ask for a link/video to Sony showing their VR on stage during Sony's live E3 presentation on stage...you couldn't/cannot present one. because they DID NOT show it on stage during their E3 presentation...they only gave demonstrations at side booths/platforms to a select group of people at this years E3.

really, seeing you send me links to every Morpheus presentation ever done EXCEPT the one that proves you were right in approaching me is very telling. own up to it, you were wrong. you spoke as if to say Sony did show theirs first...which they did, but not on the E3 stage during their live presentation...like my first post is based around. that's the difference. that's where you're wrong. you know it, you're just trying to spin and twist what the initial disagreement was into something completely different now.

i mean, there it is in the quote, clear as day...my point always was, and stays, about the VR being presented on the big stage of E3, during the live broadcast/keynotes. not off stage at E3 at some side booth...but on the stage. so every link you posted is meaningless. because Sony showing the device already was never in dispute. where they showed it, was.

just stop, because you're getting confused again Tormented...and we all knows how things end once you start getting confused. apologize, or take the bet. either way, don't drag this BS on friend...because you're just an ignorant shit who really, really..really really...dont know shit about shit...really, lol.

For VR the requirements are a lot higher then a TV. Ideally you will need around 120Hz and higher resolutions help too with the screens being so close to your eyes. I tried out the dev kit 1 version of the Oculus and the 1280×800 resolution was awful, you could see the pixels like looking at lenticular cards but Oculus showed squares rather than just lines. I tried it out with some friends and all of us felt really bad motion sickness from it, so I'm personally not that excited about VR.

A VR headset just won't work with current consoles, running a headset at 1440 or more + 120fps is just not going to be achievable on any console even in the next 10-15 years, because devs will always choose eye candy over performance. Even really top class PC rigs will struggle to get close to consistent 120fps and 1440+ on anything other than really undemanding games.

So you want MS to show a screen showing what the person is seeing.? WTF man how is that difference from any freaking FP game.?

YOu are seeing what he is seeing but you are not getting the experience he is getting,because you don't have the actual head mount on,you are basically seeing a first person view of a game not the experience he is getting,what you see on that screen is not a representation of the experience you will get.

I don't care what excuse you use to justify your crap,sony showed their VR to the public on E3 and it was playable which fu**ing beat any fake presentation or video a company can show to experience the game for your self that is what people did on E3 2014 which is 10 times better than god knows what MS will do,and if we go by Kinect fake shit i have to say they will show a bunch of crap not representative of what you will experience,is like watching a 3D TV without glasses idiot.

Again VR was on E3 2014 there is no way around this MS was beaten already,when they demo theirs if they demo it at all,it would be more than 1 year since sony showed theirs,no matter what you say it doesn't erase the fact that sony already presented this tech on E3 and TGS as well as Ces 2014 beating MS effort by more than 1 year,MS is playing catch up...

Is that you Kingtito.? ahahahaa

VR has been a dream of mine since when I was a kid. Movies like Tron and Brainscan only made me to want it even more but as I grew up I lost interest. I wonder if these VR's being developed are actually good or if the people talking positively about it is just marketing and the usual shenanigans with journalists.

xbox playing catch up once again

Congratulations not having a clue how things work, tymeservessfate.

Watch as MS sabotages the VR revolution because they can't do hardware.

Lol owned by your own link. You are such an idiot, read my quote again, you illiterate buffoon. Keep lying, keep trying.

Sony is using the Ps camera for Head tracking and orientation and Kinect can do that better than the Ps camera

'Sony revealed Project Morpheus back in March, a visor-styled HMD with built-in inertial sensors that work with the PlayStation Camera to track the user's head movements and orientation.'

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/playstation-project-morpheus-yoshida-hmd,27735.html

as far as Heat is concerned there are several sites who claim the Ps4 runs hotter and several sites that claim the Xbone runs hotter, theone thing we know for a Fact is the Xbone draws Less power than the PS4 so if we Apply Moores law (Higher consumption=Greater heat) then i would say that internally the PS4 runs hotter.

You CANNOT use Vent temperature comparisons because they are useless because both console have different cooling systems and sometimes a higher Exhaust temperature can actually mean more effective cooling as is the Case with the 360, the New S model gets way hotter around the Exhaust Vent than the older models do because it's more efficient and pushes more of the Hot air out of the system than the older 360's did.

In essence, a higher Exhaust Temperature can actually Equate to the console running Cooler internally.

It's a moot point any because according to several hardware Experts MS OVER engineered the cooling system in the Xbone

'Microsoft Xbox One appears to have significantly over-engineered the cooling of the Xbox One. The console contains a 5-inch fan that dwarfs the one contained the Sony PS4. This has been placed directly over the main processor no doubt to mitigate some of the negative user experience cause by overheating in the XBOX 360.”'

http://www.techinsights.com/ps4-vs-xboxone/

Which means the Xbone is actually shifting more hot air than the PS4

'The PS4 consumes more power than the Xbox One in every mode except Connected Standby, where the Xbox One chews threw 18W compared to Sony’s 8.8W. Since both consoles are expected to spend much of their time in this mode, the Xbox One ends up actually using more electricity than Sony’s system. In other words, the PS4’s higher performance and power consumption in gaming is more than offset.'

During use the PS4 consumes more power but when on connected standby the Xbone uses significantly more which is why over the year if you use both consoles on Connected standby the xbone will use more power.

But we are talking Cooling during use so the Extra power consumption the xbone uses in connected standby is irreleventas 18 watts isn't going to overheat anything

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/173127-ps4-xbox-one-power-consumption-analysis-points-to-sony-advantage-and-future-efficiency-gains

Both consoles have been slammed by enviromentalists, (note ' mentalist's) for using far more power than last gen consoles but they obviously forgot about the 230 watt draw on the Xenon model 360 and the huge power draw the original Ps3 had when it released.

Power consumption and heat will drop with lower die sizes for the chips in future so they are moaning about nothing really.

They are hypocrites anyway, i bet half of them use hairdryers and i you can bet your bottom dollar they all use Kettles,lol

lord, you just get stupider as you go smh lol? ok, disregarding all of your useless speculation...all of this you just wrote has nothing to do with how you approached me earlier in this thread. you approached me as if i made a false statement...i did not. you were wrong, end of story. the nonsense you're spouting now is just BS you're trying to throw in the mix to muck up things and avoid admitting you're a damage controlling idiot who should have just kept his mouth shut.

there are no subject changes here, no "do overs"...you didnt first write me to actually discuss what i said in my post. so don't try it now to derail/avoid admitting you being wrong. you sent a short post with a link that was suppose too discredit what i said...which it didnt. because Sony did not present their VR during their on stage presentation at the last E3. they just didnt. and that's what my initial post was about. about MS maybe getting their device on the "big stage" of E3, first...in front of a live audience, and all of us...before Sony was able too with their device. no hearsay, no impressions from gaming journalists, no vague previews...just us, regular people, getting a look and seeing how it looks for ourselves. no matter how its presented.

now if you would like too first humble yourself and admit to your mistake, great. after that we can then talk about what i said in my first message in a more in-depth way...but not before that you chimp. because then you'd just be avoiding, and derailing, our conversation topic that was already set. clearer for you now? stick to the original topic in dispute first, conclude it first...then maybe we can expand on things a bit and discuss other aspects of it further.

*looks at concept art*

Do we have to look like that while wearing it?