Multiplatform big games announcments are hurting the gamers.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

[QUOTE="rybe1025"]Ok who liked GTA4 ( Multiplat) better then Saint's Row 1 (exclusive )?rybe1025

I will answer your question but first I have to say this,

You find two different genres hard to compare? they are both gaming experiences and I can say which game was better.For instance, I could easily say an action movie is better than thriller movie because I liked said movie better inspite of the different genres.

MGS4 and GeOW were better experiences than GTA4.

and to answer your question, yes, GTA4 was better than SR 1, it was a better "EXPERIENCE" than SR 1 even if they were on the same category or not.

there is a big difference between a linar shooter games and a free roaming game with shooter elements in it. Halo 3 and GTA4 both great games but very different.

I know what are you talking about, however, in the end you must prefer one over the other, thats what I was trying to say, they are different genres an they are different games but at the end I prefer MGS4 over GTA4.

[QUOTE="rybe1025"][QUOTE="Foxhound_spy"]

Agree......... I hate when big games become multiplat. Simply because multiplat and exclusive game is different. Multiplat game is easily forgettable. Look at Tomb Raider franchise. Rarely anyone talk about this today............ Heck even GTA4 hype is slowing down right now.........

But exclusive games is different. People will remember those games for years to come. Look at FF7. FF X, Halo 2, GT3, RE2 and many more. Peoples will always remember those games as classic............

Foxhound_spy

WHAT ? Remember ? If I want to play exclusive games from certain console I just have to buy another console. Problem solved. It`s not soo hard for me.

But I don`t know about you guys....... Especially fanboys.......

What has to do liking a game go multiplat with fanboysm? Wanting a game going multiplat is the most anti-fanboysm attitude.

Besides, most of us can't afford more than one console, that's why is goodthat they become multiplat.

And, all the games you listed are not remembered for being exclusives (after all, Halo and RE2 both got ported), but for being good. Good games are always remembered, being multiplats or not.

I know what are you talking about, however, in the end you must prefer one over the other, thats what I was trying to say, they are different genres an they are different games but at the end I prefer MGS4 over GTA4.HAZE-Unit

Ok, but you can't prove that MGS4 is better than GTAIV just for being exclusive. Resistance is exclusive, but it is not better than Call of Duty 4.

We only can say that a dev put more efford in one game than another, what has nothing to do with being multiplat. CoD 4 proves it.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

I respect your opinion.

Bioshock? multiplat? was it with the PC day/date? I don't remember.

HAZE-Unit

Yes it was. Both August 07.

So you are telling me that your best experiences this gen were from multiplatform games?

I think you hate exclusives then heheh.

I see this games would have been better if developed exclusively/timed exclusively.

Oh i don't hate exclusives. Quite the contrary. I love Halo 3, GeoW (It was exclusive for a while), Viva Pinata, MGS4, Ratchet & Clank, Ace Combat 6, SingStar, MotorStorm, Boom Blox, SMG, Zack & Wiki, Beautiful Katamari, etc

Its just my two favorite games revolve around great and immersive stories, which to me is what gaming is at its best.

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

shadow_hosi

Actually what usually happens is the developing team works on one system then ports it to everything else.

See all 07 games ported from 360 to ps3. They were all trashed.

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

1xcalibur1

Actually what usually happens is the developing team works on one system then ports it to everything else.

See all 07 games ported from 360 to ps3. They were all trashed.

There were many reasons for that, very least of which was the fact that it was a multiplat.

[QUOTE="1xcalibur1"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

SpruceCaboose

Actually what usually happens is the developing team works on one system then ports it to everything else.

See all 07 games ported from 360 to ps3. They were all trashed.

There were many reasons for that, very least of which was the fact that it was a multiplat.

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

HAZE-Unit

Ok, but CoD 4 was better than almost all games last year, despite being multiplat was better than most exclusives.

There's no proof that getting multiplat affects the quality of games, but bad devs do.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

IronBass

Ok, but CoD 4 was better than almost all games last year, despite being multiplat was better than most exclusives.

There's no proof that getting multiplat affects the quality of games, but bad devs do.

I agree with you on COD4, I just hope nothing goes wrong with big games like FF and RE.

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

HAZE-Unit

I would doubt that.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

HAZE-Unit

Ok, but CoD 4 was better than almost all games last year, despite being multiplat was better than most exclusives.

There's no proof that getting multiplat affects the quality of games, but bad devs do.

I agree with you on COD4, I just hope nothing goes wrong with big games like FF and RE.

I don't see a reason for it. GTAIV was not that good not because it was multiplat, but because they milked the formula too much. Capcom and Square Enix are great devs, and RE5's formula is still fresh (coming from only one game, RE4).

Honestly, I believe both will be great.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

SpruceCaboose

I would doubt that.

Yup they said it themselves, Seabass said it, I will search for the article now.

EDIT: I found it, Link.

You see this kinda things worries me.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

IronBass

Ok, but CoD 4 was better than almost all games last year, despite being multiplat was better than most exclusives.

There's no proof that getting multiplat affects the quality of games, but bad devs do.

I agree with you on COD4, I just hope nothing goes wrong with big games like FF and RE.

I don't see a reason for it. GTAIV was not that good not because it was multiplat, but because they milked the formula too much. Capcom and Square Enix are great devs, and RE5's formula is still fresh (coming from only one game, RE4).

Honestly, I believe both will be great.

Maybe the full potential of features of the game may not hit the final version because of being multiplatform, that what worries me, I think the JP version of FFXIII going to be the best.

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

HAZE-Unit

I would doubt that.

Yup they said it themselves, Seabass said it, I will search for the article now.

EDIT: I found it, Link.

You see this kinda things worries me.

For one, that is because the studio is not setup for it. That is preparation issues within the studio.

Also, I appreciate the irony of Konami saying they are having issues with the PS3 development.

Maybe the full potential of features of the game may not hit the final version because of being multiplatform, that what worries me, I think the JP version of FFXIII going to be the best.

HAZE-Unit

Well, a lot of games, IMO, haven't been releades after fullfilling its full potentian, but I also don't think that has something to do with being multiplats.

Both games have a considerable ammount of dev time, so I wouldn't worry for that.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Look at Pro Evolution Soccer last year it was terrible because it was Multiplatform, the developers said it themselves.

SpruceCaboose

I would doubt that.

Yup they said it themselves, Seabass said it, I will search for the article now.

EDIT: I found it, Link.

You see this kinda things worries me.

For one, that is because the studio is not setup for it. That is preparation issues within the studio.

Also, I appreciate the irony of Konami saying they are having issues with the PS3 development.

What irony? I wanna laugh a little, what did they say in the past? lol.

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WTF FF13 ON 360 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What irony? I wanna laugh a little, what did they say in the past? lol.

HAZE-Unit

Its Konami....look at your siggy.

I know....Kojima and what not, but it still is funny to me a bit.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

What irony? I wanna laugh a little, what did they say in the past? lol.

SpruceCaboose

Its Konami....look at your siggy.

I know....Kojima and what not, but it still is funny to me a bit.

aha ok :lol:

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WTF FF13 ON 360 WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

pieatorium

What does it mean exactly, I didn't get what you mean?

You know, we could just lose all exclusives titles, have every console the same... While we're at it, let's just have one console.
Let's stifle the industry and get rid of any innovation, competition and creativity.

Seriously, competition is what makes this industry thrive. If there aren't any exclusives, there's no difference between consoles, really. In the end, we'd end up with nothing. People need to realize that, rather than thinking the way forward is to make everything the same.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Multiplatform announcements benefit gaemrs because it means everyone gets to play them. They benefit developers + publishers because it gives them a larger audience and as such more money

I'm sure that they appreciate the advice though. It means a lot coming from someone who named themselves after Haze. Such foresight!

I don't think it's hurting gamers at all. Games going multiplatform just means these gamers can buy the game on the cheaper console. But losing exclusivity might hurt some fanboys though. ;)

The issues people have with GTA4 seem to come from the game's shift in tone more than anything else. The narrative is greatly improved, but it's not as inviting a sandbox.

That has nothing to do with multiplatform development.

Multiplatform big games announcments are helping the gamers.

Yes, because they don't have to spend $800 on two consoles just to play the exclusives. Or $1000-or-so for all three. So multiplats help gamers. Maybe if you're trying to justify buying a PS3 it hurts. Otherwise, it helps.

I don't think it's hurting gamers at all. Games going multiplatform just means these gamers can buy the game on the cheaper console. But losing exclusivity might hurt some fanboys though. ;)

ReverseCycology

Yor avatar is creepy.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Multiplatform announcements benefit gaemrs because it means everyone gets to play them. They benefit developers + publishers because it gives them a larger audience and as such more money

I'm sure that they appreciate the advice though. It means a lot coming from someone who named themselves after Haze. Such foresight!

vicmackey39

Im sure Haze would be worse if it was multiplatform.

[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

BWAHAHAHAHA

Multiplatform announcements benefit gaemrs because it means everyone gets to play them. They benefit developers + publishers because it gives them a larger audience and as such more money

I'm sure that they appreciate the advice though. It means a lot coming from someone who named themselves after Haze. Such foresight!

HAZE-Unit

Im sure Haze would be worse if it was multiplatform.

There are people that don't look at game forums. Many people like what they see before they try it out themselves. I'm sure some 360 owners that have no knowledge about Haze would want to play it and maybe like it.

Ok who liked GTA4 ( Multiplat) better then Saint's Row 1 (exclusive )?

Or Who liked CoD4(multi) better then RFoM 1 ( exclusive ) ?

At least this way it is games from the same style.

rybe1025

and I agree. Good multiplats are good for gamers and companies

allthough it kinda hurt seeing FF13 announced for 360..

Im sure Haze would be worse if it was multiplatform.

HAZE-Unit

Please no more. Free Radical learned their lesson lol. Hopefully.

:lol: at this thread.

Fanboyism at it's worst.

[QUOTE="HAZE-Unit"]

Im sure Haze would be worse if it was multiplatform.

Blackbond

Please no more. Free Radical learned their lesson lol. Hopefully.

lololol

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

shadow_hosi

I honestly don't care if games are multiplat or exclusive. So long as i get to play them on my system of choice (PC) i am a happy gamer. I like it when PC games go to consoles, my friends can actually get to play the games i talk about, and vice versa.

[QUOTE="bulletsword"]only the fanboys get pissed about exclusives going multiplat. the next thing they do is look for a scapegoatChrnoTrigger

Exactly. Since when was it bad for more gamers to enjoy games? :?

multiplats are ok but they need too announce that a bit earlier before others starting buying a second console or 3rt !

[QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

kage_53

Yes, and that's the way it's heading.

It only benefits the GAMER, not the fanboy.

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="shadow_hosi"]

Multiplatform = good FACT

the companys get more money to make the next game better

and we all get to play it and enjoy it

exclusives hurt the gamers not multiplats

gasmaskman

Yes, and that's the way it's heading.

It only benefits the GAMER, not the fanboy.

So you are interested to see PC gaming? no offense to PC gamers.

I want competition between 3 companies where they make crazy amount of effort to deliver for us the best they could.

i stopped reading once u mentioned GTA4 (content and sales) being inferior to the past installments, spoken like a true fanboyDante2710

Call me fanboy if you want but at least explain your point of view to me to see why Im wrong.

[QUOTE="Dante2710"]i stopped reading once u mentioned GTA4 (content and sales) being inferior to the past installments, spoken like a true fanboyHAZE-Unit

Call me fanboy if you want but at least explain your point of view to me to see why Im wrong.