MW3 will redeem COD's name in the eyes of SW

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

COD 4 was only okay. The reason it was so "great" at the time was due to a lack of serious competition for online games. That's changed, and CoD's netcode is just not good enough to be anything but a frustration inducing activity. It really is a pos product. Maybe if they didn't hire Ice-T for Black Ops they could have paid for dedicated servers for every CoD game this gen, and then they'd actually be doing something good for the game.

xXShortroundXx

As long as they keep making yearly CoD games with minor improvements for each one, then SW won't praise it at all. The only reason why CoD4 was praised was because it pushed the series forward. The games afterwards didn't do that (except for maybe MW2). It just became a yearly release with the exact same gameplay we've already seen with the same bad animation. Look at CoD animation, and then look at BF3 animation. I'm sure you'll see the difference. It feels like the same game every year. Just look at the gameplay changes from Uncharted 2 to Uncharted 3, and from Bad Company 2 to Battlefield 3. They're big and noticeable. That's what makes them appealing, and sequels should always strive to improve from their predecessors, not be their predecessors.

The engine, graphics, animation, and gameplay are outdated. CoD is overly simplistic (which is part of why it's popular), and seeing as DICE is able to make 9 maps (each one being at least the size of 3 CoD maps with some even being the size of 5-7 CoD maps) you'd think that the CoD devs would be able to make 20+ maps. Well, I'm sure they do make 20+ maps: 8 goes into the game, and then the rest get sold later as map packs courtesy of Activi$ion. They're a disgrace to the vision name :x

XVision84

MW3 will come with 16 maps, just like COD4 and MW2 did. Not sure where you're getting the 8 figure from?

How? They're actually taking a step BACK from Black Ops, there's even less modes now that there was before. How is that progress? tagyhag

How? They're actually taking a step BACK from Black Ops, there's even less modes now that there was before. How is that progress? tagyhag

I don't get the hate for MW2's balancing issues, while those same ppl turn a blind eye to CoD4. I personally found there to be just as many ways to exploit each MP map in MW1 as MW2. That's just me though.

Edit: The last CoD game that could be considered to have only minor problems is CoD2 imo.

MW3 engine? What MW3 engine? It's still using the same engine COD4 used!

GhoX

I gotta say, this is priceless coming from someone with a Half-Life avatar. Source is older than the CoD 4 engine, yet it still holds up fine for new titles.

MW3 will be awesome.. everyone knows it.

[QUOTE="xXShortroundXx"][QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

COD 4 was only okay. The reason it was so "great" at the time was due to a lack of serious competition for online games. That's changed, and CoD's netcode is just not good enough to be anything but a frustration inducing activity. It really is a pos product. Maybe if they didn't hire Ice-T for Black Ops they could have paid for dedicated servers for every CoD game this gen, and then they'd actually be doing something good for the game.

Easyle

[QUOTE="tagyhag"]How? They're actually taking a step BACK from Black Ops, there's even less modes now that there was before. How is that progress? Wasdie

How? They're actually taking a step BACK from Black Ops, there's even less modes now that there was before. How is that progress? tagyhag

"Call of Duty: Removing features since Modern Warfare 2" should be their tagline.

...Why did you center your text? Were you trying to write a poem?Merex760

I though the exact same thing

CoD is always fun, just lacking in change and depth. I'll still buy MW3, maybe even the hardened edition if I can, but I'll still hear a bunch of whiners with no life complaining about people enjoying a game they don't. Even though its annoying and hypocritical (you don't see me complaining about Skyrim to Skyrim fans), I think EA is at fault for being terrible people and using their marketing to ride CoD's coattails, and at the very least I think the series should start injecting some change if it wants to keep the haters at bay.

COD4 was broken, just not as broken as MW2. We'll see how MW3 is when it comes out.

COD4 was broken, just not as broken as MW2. We'll see how MW3 is when it comes out.

el3m2tigre

No it will not

COD is dead to be after 4

[QUOTE="GhoX"]

MW3 engine? What MW3 engine? It's still using the same engine COD4 used!

xXShortroundXx

COD 4 was only okay. The reason it was so "great" at the time was due to a lack of serious competition for online games. That's changed, and CoD's netcode is just not good enough to be anything but a frustration inducing activity. It really is a pos product. Maybe if they didn't hire Ice-T for Black Ops they could have paid for dedicated servers for every CoD game this gen, and then they'd actually be doing something good for the game.

Pug-Nasty

Oh man you just opened my eyes. I hated CoD4. Mario Kart DS was honestly the first online game I really got into, Resistance was my first fluid online FPS, CoD4 had no novelties for me. That being said, I played the living hell out of Mario Kart and Resistance when, even though they weren't as strong as CoD4, I couldn't even make it past level 30 in CoD4. Then Resistance 2 came out and I played the hell out of it.

Is it even possible that CoD is so popular because it is the first game to popularize and nail online on a yearly basis? Like Halo, but multiplat with a yearly release. Brilliant.

Don't believe half the people on here who say they wont buy MW3. If anything, even more existing 360/PS3/PC owners will be buying the game. New hardware sales wont be enough to account for the increased sales of COD, so that means that there are even more gullible existing 360/PS3/pc owners out there who will be buying the game than ever before.

Back in the days of Call of Duty 4, COD was a monster! Everybody loved it, and only the haters hated.

Black Ops was hailed as the redeeming COD, but it wasn't all that great.

COD4 was a perfect game, with only minor balancing problems.

MW3 is going back to the draw board and designing the MP from ground up from COD4.

Running on the MW3 engine, an engine that focused on fast, fluid gameplay rather than graphics...

It will be a sure-fire hit.

xXShortroundXx

Its not going back to the drawing board, i'm sorry. You want MW3 to be good so badly that you will make stuff up in your head. It will be just another bad cod game.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

COD 4 was only okay. The reason it was so "great" at the time was due to a lack of serious competition for online games. That's changed, and CoD's netcode is just not good enough to be anything but a frustration inducing activity. It really is a pos product. Maybe if they didn't hire Ice-T for Black Ops they could have paid for dedicated servers for every CoD game this gen, and then they'd actually be doing something good for the game.

RandomWinner

Oh man you just opened my eyes. I hated CoD4. Mario Kart DS was honestly the first online game I really got into, Resistance was my first fluid online FPS, CoD4 had no novelties for me. That being said, I played the living hell out of Mario Kart and Resistance when, even though they weren't as strong as CoD4, I couldn't even make it past level 30 in CoD4. Then Resistance 2 came out and I played the hell out of it.

Is it even possible that CoD is so popular because it is the first game to popularize and nail online on a yearly basis? Like Halo, but multiplat with a yearly release. Brilliant.

My point is really that they don't "nail" the online. Every CoD game is laggier and more imbalanced than the one before it, so the games get worse. I would give them credit if they nailed the online, but they don't. If you spend your entire budget on marketing and voice actors that leaves little for actual game development, and it shows.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

COD4 was broken, just not as broken as MW2. We'll see how MW3 is when it comes out.

xXShortroundXx

Back in the days of Call of Duty 4, COD was a monster! Everybody loved it, and only the haters hated.

Black Ops was hailed as the redeeming COD, but it wasn't all that great.

COD4 was a perfect game, with only minor balancing problems.

MW3 is going back to the draw board and designing the MP from ground up from COD4.

Running on the MW3 engine, an engine that focused on fast, fluid gameplay rather than graphics...

It will be a sure-fire hit.

xXShortroundXx

From videos posted all over the internet, 100% of all textures and animations have been ripped from MW2 and previous COD games so the developers have had to do very little work in creating the game other than a new setting, and another, yet very vague story. They are relying on gullible gamers to keep buying crap. They are giving gamers the finger and you guys are saying "thank you, can i please have more".

Don't think a single thing in that OP was a reedeming quality. As far as I'm concerned MW3 is a loss.

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

COD4 was broken, just not as broken as MW2. We'll see how MW3 is when it comes out.

xXShortroundXx

The only thing it revolutionized was unbalanced gameplay.

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

[QUOTE="xXShortroundXx"]

[QUOTE="el3m2tigre"]

COD4 was broken, just not as broken as MW2. We'll see how MW3 is when it comes out.

princeofshapeir

It basically invented Modern shooter games, look how scripted games got after COD came out. Bad company 1= open ended campaign, bad company 2 = COD clone campaign (I loved the campaign in that game, but its pretty much true.)

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

turtlethetaffer

I was shocked when I read that in Game Informer. They are usually the worst when it comes to hype influencing feedback.

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

Pug-Nasty

I was shocked when I read that in Game Informer. They are usually the worst when it comes to hype influencing feedback.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

xXShortroundXx

I was shocked when I read that in Game Informer. They are usually the worst when it comes to hype influencing feedback.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

xXShortroundXx

I was shocked when I read that in Game Informer. They are usually the worst when it comes to hype influencing feedback.

I don't think the problem is lack of change, but rather a lack of changes from things that suck, the the netcode or p2p system. P2p has no place in modern gaming, and bad netcode just ruins the online MP of any game.

Why would anyone buy another lag riddled CoD game?

It's not that they don't change anything, it's that they don't improve anything, and in fact go backwards. CoD 4 has decent hit detection, which hasn't existed in a CoD game since.

The fact that COD turned into a glorified arena shooter annoyed me. It tries to be serious with all its real guns etc. but the fact that there is an announcer shouting things every 5 seconds annoys me. Its almost like a modern military unreal tournament now but people somehow don't want to admit it. It can't try to be serious and involve throwing knives and RC car bombs. MW1 was a hell of a game and I will always admit that. I loved that game but COD has been soiled over the past few years and its mainly due to the vast majority of meat heads that play it now that annoys me most. I fear BF will go down these lines eventually too unfortunately so I want to enjoy it now while not every single person hates it

The war between 2 games, codvsbattlefield.

lol now even tho devil states wanna come play, the real asnwers actually clear :D

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

[QUOTE="turtlethetaffer"]

Nope, it's gonna be the same as MW2. I think at this point nothing can redeem CoD in the eyes of SW. Even Gameinformer, who are huge CoD fanboys, said that MW3 feels more like a glorified mappack than anything.

xXShortroundXx

I was shocked when I read that in Game Informer. They are usually the worst when it comes to hype influencing feedback.

I have issue with what you said about Mario. Many of the games are very different from eachother in terms of gameplay.

stop disgracing tidus

I'm not getting it, but like Black Ops - I'll play it when I'm at my friend's house.

I really hope this is the swan song for the series. Guitar Hero went down. So will this.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I really hope this is the swan song for the series. Guitar Hero went down. So will this.alexside1

I will give it 4 to 5 more games. It will eventually wear out its welcome.

COD is fun, but it lacks any depth for me to keep coming back to it. I prefer either objective based games like BC2, Tf2,Counter Strike or Killzone 3 over COD, or games that are awesome at deathmatch, like Halo, Quake 3 etc

mw3vsbf3

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

COD 4 was only okay. The reason it was so "great" at the time was due to a lack of serious competition for online games. That's changed, and CoD's netcode is just not good enough to be anything but a frustration inducing activity. It really is a pos product. Maybe if they didn't hire Ice-T for Black Ops they could have paid for dedicated servers for every CoD game this gen, and then they'd actually be doing something good for the game.

xXShortroundXx

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I really hope this is the swan song for the series. Guitar Hero went down. So will this.turtlethetaffer

I will give it 4 to 5 more games. It will eventually wear out its welcome.

CoD is dead on this board.