My opinion on ''The Big N'' as of now. Proud Non-sheep since Wii

Most of you sheep aren't even going to read to read much, if any, of this so let me tell you first off that I was BORN a sheep and was a sheep pretty much my whole life through late NES, SNES, N64, and until the end of the Gamecube. This is not the same gaming company I grew up loving that focused on only making and liscencing quality products for the hardcore gamer market. BTW, I'm going to bold some of the main points so you impatient people dont have to cry about the "GYINT WWALL OOF TEKST".

This is now a company that focuses more upon spending as little bit of money as possible to make as much money as they can than even getting much, if any, quality hardware and games to the consumer.

To those sheep that think Nintendo was doing you a favor by giving you Gamecube hardware but with motion controls - Are you kidding? Nintendo could've EASILY afforded to make a console that would have given you your money's worth as far as technology goes AND given you motion controls AND kept the price competitive with the other two consoles.

They made the Wii's specs complete garbage and reused the old Gamecube hardware on purpose because they knew they could hype the motion sensing abilities so much that most people wouldn't even focus on the fact that it's got last gen hardware and that means extra money for Nintendo.

Just to give you an idea of how much profit Nintendo is making on the Wii, consider this. Around the end of the Gamecube's life, it costed $80-100 and included a game or two and they were STILL making profit on it even then. Imagine how much they're making on the Wii considering the fact that it's about the same as far as hardware goes and costs 2-3 times as much, they only added a few cheap things like 512 flash memory and DVD drive, AND the hardware is probably even cheaper now than it was when the Gamecube was at that price.

My opinion on Nintendo now = A bunch of greedy corporate Japanese businessmen that dont give a crap about giving their best to their REAL long time supporters, and focus mostly on milking off of:

1: Trends(often originating in Japan)

2: Their own hype(which seems to increase more and more every day)

3: Little kids

(I don't exactly blame them for being money hungry, we all are in a way... but they lost me as a source of money because thanks to their shady decision making and blantant milking I stopped being a sheep this gen)

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

Can you really blame them? Are they not in the buisness to make money?

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

Homesrfan

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

Exactly, though it's extremely annoying to know the only reason they are selling out everywhere is not because of the games, but because of the gimmicky motion controls and the cheap hardware.

I agree on the TC's point of that Nintendo could have made a technologically advanced console like Sony and Microsoft, but instead went the "cheap" route.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

ice144

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

Exactly, though it's extremely annoying to know the only reason they are selling out everywhere is not because of the games, but because of the gimmicky motion controls and the cheap hardware.

I agree on the TC's point of that Nintendo could have made a technologically advanced console like Sony and Microsoft, but instead went the "cheap" route.

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

Homesrfan

A risky endeavor that paid off big time for Nintendo.:)

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

Homesrfan

It's called the "cheap" route for a reason. Nintendo didn't have to spend much money on it at all to there isn't much risk involved. You keep on making those excuses defending a company so blindly that was ripping you off from the minute you bought a Wii.

As far as I see it, you shouldn't have to defend the company you like. Especially when it's because of stupid decisions they make.

Woah woah woah. So you're telling me that Nintendo is out there trying to make money? And their using strategy in order to do it? Wow....doesn't sound like a big corporate business at all. Whatever happened to making consoles out of the goodness of your own heart like MS or Sony. They obviously don't care about making cash. I mean, Sony even went so far as to make a console that they lose profit on. Now that's pure dedication. Sure you don't make lot of money, but a lot of people respect you for it. The high, outstanding sales of the PS3 show it. Thank you for this news flash TC. As we speak, I'm writing a letter to Nintendo of how disgraceful they are for making a console that is purely dedicated on making money and not about fun gaming. Cuz we all know, NO ONE AT ALL is having any fun whatsoever with their Wii's. Nope, not any out of the millions and millions of owners. Shame on you Nintendo.

*deep breaths* Wow, my sarcasm has hit a new high.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

yowvapa2

A risky endeavor that paid off big time for Nintendo.:)

First of all it wasn't risky at all and second of all I dont understand why you're so happy tha Nintendo's becoming richer and richer by the second when all that's doing is making them want to make more and more casual games and casual consoles like the Wii. You get NOTHING out of it. ZERO. In fact, it hurts you as a gamer because you'll probably see less and less games and quality out of Nintendo if you keep letting them get away with it.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

wagexslave

It's called the "cheap" route for a reason. Nintendo didn't have to spend much money on it at all to there isn't much risk involved. You keep on making those excuses defending a company so blindly that was ripping you off from the minute you bought a Wii.

As far as I see it, you shouldn't have to defend the company you like. Especially when it's because of stupid decisions they make.

You don't know anything that your talking about. If your going to make such a claim you should back it up with some sort of evidence that isn't pure specualtion or conjecture on your part. You don't know how much Nintendo sunk into the Wii or how big of a risk it was because of the potenal losses of a whole generation of hardware and games if the Wii had sold worse then the GC as was prediced when it was shown off...

Clearly your brainwashed.

Woah woah woah. So you're telling me that Nintendo is out there trying to make money? And their using strategy in order to do it? Wow....doesn't sound like a big corporate buisness at all. Whatever happened to making consoles out of the goodness of your own heart like MS or Sony. They obviously don't care about making cash. I mean, Sony even went so far as to make a console that they lose profit on. Now that's pure dedication. Sure you don't makea lot of money, but a lot of people respect you for it. The high, outstanding sales show it of the PS3 show it. Thank you for this news flash TC. As we speak, I'm writing a letter to Nintendo of how disgraceful they are for making a console that is purely dedicated on making money and not about fun gaming. Cuz we all know, NO ONE AT ALL is having any fun whatsoever with their Wii's. Nope, not any out of the millions and millions of owners. Shame on you Nintendo.

*deep breaths* Wow, my sarcasm has hit a new high.

vdastampede

I dont defend any of the "big 3" as they're called. I used to defend Nintendo. And like I said in my original post(learn to read please ;)), I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR WANTING TO MAKE MONEY. That's not the problem I have with them. If they want to get rich good for them, go ahead. My problem with them is the change they've been going through to do it.

Nintendo didn't have to constantly hype peope with cheap gimmicks to buy their consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo didn't have to make their consoles with half of the power of the other consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo never focused on making games for casual audiances in the past, so why now?

And I never claimed that "not any out of the millions and millions of owners" are enjoying their Wii. But I will say this. Out of those millions and millions of people that bought into the hype Nintendo made, the amount of people that are truely enjoying it and dont wish it had either better graphics or a better price for what you get is more like in the thousands(at most), not millions.

[QUOTE="yowvapa2"][QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

wagexslave

A risky endeavor that paid off big time for Nintendo.:)

First of all it wasn't risky at all and second of all I dont understand why you're so happy tha Nintendo's becoming richer and richer by the second when all that's doing is making them want to make more and more casual games and casual consoles like the Wii. You get NOTHING out of it. ZERO. In fact, it hurts you as a gamer because you'll probably see less and less games and quality out of Nintendo if you keep letting them get away with it.

Yep because all that comes out for the Wii is casual games. That's why 3 HUGE Nintendo franchises came out within a year of its release. With a 4th a couple of months after.

I've had countless hours spent happily playing hardcore games as well as casual games and I love them both, but hardcore more than casual of course.

And to say the Wii wasn't a risk is... wow. Pretty much no developer was optimistic for the Wii before its release. Ubisoft was one of the only ones.

[QUOTE="yowvapa2"][QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

wagexslave

A risky endeavor that paid off big time for Nintendo.:)

First of all it wasn't risky at all and second of all I dont understand why you're so happy tha Nintendo's becoming richer and richer by the second when all that's doing is making them want to make more and more casual games and casual consoles like the Wii. You get NOTHING out of it. ZERO. In fact, it hurts you as a gamer because you'll probably see less and less games and quality out of Nintendo if you keep letting them get away with it.

While your off accusing them of becoming causual and making only casual games, I am too busy playing more Nintendo Core franchise games then ever before. They released 2 Zelda's, 2 Mario game, and a Metroid game, and SSBB, in about 1 year...

Yep they really turned their back on us gamers.

I dont defend any of the "big 3" as they're called. I used to defend Nintendo. And like I said in my original post(learn to read please ;)), I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR WANTING TO MAKE MONEY. That's not the problem I have with them. If they want to get rich good for them, go ahead. My problem with them is the change they've been going through to do it.

Nintendo didn't have to constantly hype peope with cheap gimmicks to buy their consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo didn't have to make their consoles with half of the power of the other consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo never focused on making games for casual audiances in the past, so why now?

And I never claimed that "not any out of the millions and millions of owners" are enjoying their Wii. But I will say this. Out of those millions and millions of people that bought into the hype Nintendo made, the amount of people that are truely enjoying it and dont wish it had either better graphics or a better price for what you get is more like in the thousands(at most), not millions.

wagexslave

Again another unsubstantiated claim, made of pure speculation, and casual empericism.

Perhaps no one cares about how powerful the console is or how good the graphics are overall, but mearly care about how cool the games are.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

GundamGuy0

It's called the "cheap" route for a reason. Nintendo didn't have to spend much money on it at all to there isn't much risk involved. You keep on making those excuses defending a company so blindly that was ripping you off from the minute you bought a Wii.

As far as I see it, you shouldn't have to defend the company you like. Especially when it's because of stupid decisions they make.

If your going to make such a claim you should back it up with some sort of evidence that isn't pure specualtion or conjecture on your part. You don't know how much Nintendo sunk into the Wii or how big of a risk it was because of the potenal losses of a whole generation of hardware and games if the Wii had sold worse then the GC as was prediced when it was shown off...

Do you really think I need to give you evidence? Come on now. Isn't there enough evidence in front of your face? If it isn't the console shortages it's the high price for the hardware to begin with(yes $250 is and was high for what the Wii is technology wise). It's obvious that Nintendo didn't put all of their poker chips in with the Wii. They were playing it safe the whole time and still are to this day.

Nintendo could make more than enough Wiis if they wanted to but that's just the thing, they dont want to. Because what if the Wii just stopped selling one day. Then there would be a surplus. And that's not what Nintendo wants. Beause then they'd have to lower the price of the Wii to get more people to buy it.

Seriously, do you think I'm stupid? Their "strategy" isn't anything spectacular. These are simple tactics. It's just a wonder why people buy into it so easily.

[QUOTE="vdastampede"]

Woah woah woah. So you're telling me that Nintendo is out there trying to make money? And their using strategy in order to do it? Wow....doesn't sound like a big corporate buisness at all. Whatever happened to making consoles out of the goodness of your own heart like MS or Sony. They obviously don't care about making cash. I mean, Sony even went so far as to make a console that they lose profit on. Now that's pure dedication. Sure you don't makea lot of money, but a lot of people respect you for it. The high, outstanding sales show it of the PS3 show it. Thank you for this news flash TC. As we speak, I'm writing a letter to Nintendo of how disgraceful they are for making a console that is purely dedicated on making money and not about fun gaming. Cuz we all know, NO ONE AT ALL is having any fun whatsoever with their Wii's. Nope, not any out of the millions and millions of owners. Shame on you Nintendo.

*deep breaths* Wow, my sarcasm has hit a new high.

wagexslave

bI dont defend any of the "big 3" as they're called. I used to defend Nintendo. And like I said in my original post(learn to read please ;)), I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR WANTING TO MAKE MONEY. That's not the problem I have with them. If they want to get rich good for them, go ahead. My problem with them is the change they've been going through to do it.

Your whole post is about them making money, and not thinking logically about marketing. You can go on about it, say I don't blame them for being money hungry, and then the last sentence say "THERE IS NO REASON THERE ISN'T A PRICE DROP". You see Nintendo as an antagonist. That is clear. I'm pretty sure there is nothing we can do for you now.

Do you really think I need to give you evidence? Come on now. Isn't there enough evidence in front of your face? If it isn't the console shortages it's the high price for the hardware to begin with(yes $250 is and was high for what the Wii is technology wise). It's obvious that Nintendo didn't put all of their poker chips in with the Wii. They were playing it safe the whole time and still are to this day.wagexslave

You think that ditching a traditional controller and going with a motion sensing wand, and having close to last gen hardware is playing it safe? That's the exact opposite of playing it safe. That's being different. That's doing something different than all the other companies did.

How is that playing it safe? Nintendo didn't have a crystal ball. They couldn't look into the future and see all this hype going into the Wii. Most of the hype was made by the media, not by Nintendo themselves.

1. I was BORN a sheep
2. Just to give you an idea of how much profit Nintendo is making on the Wii,
3. My opinion on Nintendo now = A bunch of greedy corporate Japanese businessmen
4. BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it's EXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

1. You were born a sheep? Hell I didn't touch gaming for another three years after I was born.
2. Who cares about how much profit Nintendo is making. Contrary to what Sony and Microsoft has done at times the point of business is to actually make money.
3. Aren't all corporate businesses greedy? You don't think Sony and MS are greedy?
4. Why hasn't the Wii had a price drop? Um well now I already know that you don't know business. If your product is selling out why the hell would you lower the price? You're only going to be stimulating more demand when you don't have the supply not to mention seeing as the product is selling out you'd just be losing out on profit.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

Homesrfan

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

First of all, the Wii shouldn't have been $250 to begin with. The extra $50(and I'm sure most consoles are like this when they first come out) is extra coushion just in case it doesn't sell well. Look at ALL of the past Nintendo consoles. They had price cuts every(or every other) year. Nintendo is way past due. All of a sudden they dont cut the price of their consoles? Since when?

Like I said, it's not a bad way to make money as a company... but it IS a shady tactic and a pretty crappy move against their long term supporters.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

First of all, the Wii shouldn't have been $250 to begin with. The extra $50(and I'm sure most consoles are like this when they first come out) is extra coushion just in case it doesn't sell well. Look at ALL of the past Nintendo consoles. They had price cuts every(or every other) year. Nintendo is way past due. All of a sudden they dont cut the price of their consoles? Since when?

Like I said, it's not a bad way to make money as a company... but it IS a shady tactic and a pretty crappy move against their long term supporters.

Let me explain this again: SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Gamecube sold like crap so they cut the price again and again. It still didn't sell. The N64 sold better, but still not great.

I will directly counter your point and say there is no reason for them to drop the price at all. You can't say that you can't blame them for wanting money, and then turn around and say something that completely defeats any logic. If people still buy it, and it's still hard to find, you shouldn't drop the price.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

1. I was BORN a sheep
2. Just to give you an idea of how much profit Nintendo is making on the Wii,
3. My opinion on Nintendo now = A bunch of greedy corporate Japanese businessmen
4. BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it's EXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

Blackbond

1. You were born a sheep? Hell I didn't touch gaming for another three years after I was born.
2. Who cares about how much profit Nintendo is making. Contrary to what Sony and Microsoft has done at times the point of business is to actually make money.
3. Aren't all corporate businesses greedy? You don't think Sony and MS are greedy?
4. Why hasn't the Wii had a price drop? Um well now I already know that you don't know business. If your product is selling out why the hell would you lower the price? You're only going to be stimulating more demand when you don't have the supply not to mention seeing as the product is selling out you'd just be losing out on profit.

1. I was the youngest of 5 with two big brothers and one in particular that I looked up to(the oldest of the 5) and he was a huge NES gamer. He started me on gaming at 2 years old. My brain was filled with tons of(Nintendo only) gaming even when I was 0-1 years old.

2. I dont care about how much money Nintendo is making. My OPINION however is that buying a Wii right now if you're a hardcore gaming is a waste of money and only further promotes Nintendo's shady tactics.

3. I'm not a lemming or a cow, and I'm greedy myself so yes. Let me rephrase that for you while I'm typing this: Nintendo is getting a bit TOO greedy. Better?

4. Do you honestly think Nintendo couldn't meet the suply for the demand if they wanted to? They've made so much money off the Wii that they could buy new factories if they wanted to but that would cost money. And look, not finding ways to make more Wiis benefits them even further because it gives people like you excuses to why they havent lowered the price of the Wii yet.

1. I was the youngest of 5 with two big brothers and one in particular that I looked up to(the oldest of the 5) and he was a huge NES gamer. He started me on gaming at 2 years old. My brain was filled with tons of(Nintendo only) gaming even when I was 0-1 years old.

2. I dont care about how much money Nintendo is making.My OPINION however is that buying a Wii right now if you're a hardcore gaming is a waste of money and only further promotes Nintendo's shady tactics.

3. I'm not a lemming or a cow, and I'm greedy myself so yes. Let me rephrase that for you while I'm typing this: Nintendo is getting a bit TOO greedy. Better?

4. Do you honestly think Nintendo couldn't meet the suply for the demand if they wanted to? They've made so much money off the Wii that they could buy new factories if they wanted to but that would cost money. And look, not finding ways to make more Wiis benefits them even further because it gives people like you excuses to why they havent lowered the price of the Wii yet.

wagexslave

If you don't care about how much money they make then why did you bring it up?

Good thing your opinion is different then mines. I had no problems with Zelda TP, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, or Smash Brawl.

Greed and too greedy? Really what's the difference. Still greedy right?

Considering that the 360 has hit shortages before and that the Wii outsells the PS3/360 combined hell no. Nintendo has already explained why they don't want to open up new factories for Wii. Expanding production well they've already ramped up. But as for why they don't want to open up more factories from an economic standpoint that should be easy for you to figure out.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

First of all, the Wii shouldn't have been $250 to begin with. The extra $50(and I'm sure most consoles are like this when they first come out) is extra coushion just in case it doesn't sell well. Look at ALL of the past Nintendo consoles. They had price cuts every(or every other) year. Nintendo is way past due. All of a sudden they dont cut the price of their consoles? Since when?

Like I said, it's not a bad way to make money as a company... but it IS a shady tactic and a pretty crappy move against their long term supporters.

Who are you to say that it shouldn't cost $250 to begin with? If people are willing to buy it (and in other cases spend more than $250 to buy it), who is to say that Nintendo didn't price it correctly. In fact, they might have underpriced it. They would probably still sell out at $300. And price cuts every other year? Hello. Look at the other consoles. The 360 has only had 1 price cut of $50 and it's fast approaching its third year on the market. Why aren't you pissing and moaning about MS then? The only one that has seen a big price cut is the PS3 with its $100 price cut, but that was also a different console configuration from the first...

And how is it a shady tactic? If MS or Sony would be selling out their consoles for $400 and $600, they would not drop their prices either. That's just the way business works. Like other posters have mentioned in this thread, you have no concepts about business at all.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Homesrfan"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

Homesrfan

You know nothing about supply and demand. Why would Nintendo cut their prices? They are still selling out EVERYWHERE! You people need to take a basic marketing class to understand this. There is no reason for them to cut their prices, it wouldn't do anything except hurt them becuase people are still buying it.

It's buisness. All companies want your money, bottom line. Xbox Live doesn't cost $50 because they are giving you an awesome service. It costs $50 because they want money.

First of all, the Wii shouldn't have been $250 to begin with. The extra $50(and I'm sure most consoles are like this when they first come out) is extra coushion just in case it doesn't sell well. Look at ALL of the past Nintendo consoles. They had price cuts every(or every other) year. Nintendo is way past due. All of a sudden they dont cut the price of their consoles? Since when?

Like I said, it's not a bad way to make money as a company... but it IS a shady tactic and a pretty crappy move against their long term supporters.

Let me explain this again: SUPPLY AND DEMAND. Gamecube sold like crap so they cut the price again and again. It still didn't sell. The N64 sold better, but still not great.

I will directly counter your point and say there is no reason for them to drop the price at all. You can't say that you can't blame them for wanting money, and then turn around and say something that completely defeats any logic. If people still buy it, and it's still hard to find, you shouldn't drop the price.

There are a few reasons to why they should drop the price. I'll list some for you.

1. To show appeal and appreciation to their consumers since they've already made so much money off them

2. A lower price wouldn't make the Wii seem as inferior to most people that have a "you get what you pay for" way of looking at things.

3. They could lower the price a decent amount and still be making a lot of profit

4. It would even further increase demand and positive response from the media

5. It's been a tradition of theirs and it's a slap in the face to their long time supporters for them NOT to cut the price all of the sudden

6. With a lower price, the console would appeal even more to smaller, more rural countries that dont have a lot of money.

There's 6 reasons right off the top of my head they should lower the price.

4. Do you honestly think Nintendo couldn't meet the suply for the demand if they wanted to? They've made so much money off the Wii that they could buy new factories if they wanted to but that would cost money. And look, not finding ways to make more Wiis benefits them even further because it gives people like you excuses to why they havent lowered the price of the Wii yet.

wagexslave

Don't start with the false supply constraints thing, please. I will no present you will evidence that they aren't creating false demand. In my alone, the Wii sold 675.1K units (almost quadruple that of the 360 and more than triple the ammount of PS3's). I even think Microsoft said that 360's were supply constained.

Micsoft reported having "supply constraints" in Feb, March. In March, Wii sold 721K units, despite Nintendo's artificial supply constraints, as you claim them to be. Microsoft sold 262K under thier supply constraints. Looks like Nintend can pump out more than Microsoft when under supply constraints. Obviously, Nintendo is holding back supply, even though almost 3 quarters of a million Wii units were sold.

Wii supply problems cost Nintendo one billion dollars.

If Microsoft or Sony was earning NEARLY as much money as Nintendo, they wouldn't drop their price. Hell, Microsoft hardly has. And just because Nintendo uses last gen hardware, doesn't mean it is identical to Gamecube's hardware (actually its quite different if I remember correctly). You still need parts to make a console.

There are a few reasons to why they should drop the price. I'll list some for you.

1. To show appeal and appreciation to their consumers since they've already made so much money off them

2. A lower price wouldn't make the Wii seem as inferior to most people that have a "you get what you pay for" way of looking at things.

3. They could lower the price a decent amount and still be making a lot of profit

4. It would even further increase demand and positive response from the media

5. It's been a tradition of theirs and it's a slap in the face to their long time supporters for them NOT to cut the price all of the sudden

6. With a lower price, the console would appeal even more to smaller, more rural countries that dont have a lot of money.

There's 6 reasons right off the top of my head they should lower the price.

wagexslave

You're clearly grasping at straws now.

I'm not even going to bother with point 6 because that's completely bogus.

I'll answer your questions again: THEY ARE A BUISNESS AND THEY MAKE MONEY! They are trying to make the most money possible. They aren't going to lower prices just to make fans happy when they are sold out everywhere. I do agree that they should work harder on getting more hardware out there, but I can't really blame them. They're developing millions of consoles a month worldwide. Most people that buy a Wii don't know a thing about the specs in a Wii. Actually, most people see the Wii as a deal. "Only $250?" is what people say when I tell them. They are already the cheapest on the market and the best selling.

I hope you never run a buisness. It will tank.

You're giving buisnesses way too much credit. Nintendo wouldn't have dropped the price of the Gamecube if it was selling anywhere near what the Wii is selling.

I hate the companies want to make money arguement because the competition or Microsoft and Sony are offering products that cost way more to build than for consumers to buy. Building a PS3 or Xbox 360 from scratch will cost you far more than buying one from a store. Not true with the Wii. And there is LESS risk involved with selling a system which you can make money back because breaking even is easy. Not true with the 360 and PS3 where you're main profit points is dev kits and software licences. I have no idea why the Wii is not meeting demand. It's all based on stock parts and saying that you cant make enough of them is like saying "we cant make enough DVD's for 2008." it's just crazy because there are supposto be a million of those parts that you can litterally find in the streets. Accelerometers are not rare people, i can make one with a ball and a tube. insanejedi

Nintendo is making 2.4 million or so consoles a month. Now think about this. They have to order the parts the other manufacturers. The parts have to be made of some material, so those companies order the material from other companies. The companies get the material and then make the parts. They then have to ship the parts to Nintendo who then assembles it.

Even if the parts of plentiful, it still takes time to assemble 2.4 million consoles. To give you an idea of how much that is, in one year, they would be producing 28.8 million consoles. That quantity alone is more than what the 360 and PS3 sell combined in one year. In fact, monthly, Nintendo sells more Wiis than the other two consoles produce combined.

So please, stop with the supply constraint conspiracies. They're getting as old as dust.

I hate the companies want to make money arguement because the competition or Microsoft and Sony are offering products that cost way more to build than for consumers to buy. Building a PS3 or Xbox 360 from scratch will cost you far more than buying one from a store. Not true with the Wii. And there is LESS risk involved with selling a system which you can make money back because breaking even is easy. Not true with the 360 and PS3 where you're main profit points is dev kits and software licenses.insanejedi

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

1. I was the youngest of 5 with two big brothers and one in particular that I looked up to(the oldest of the 5) and he was a huge NES gamer. He started me on gaming at 2 years old. My brain was filled with tons of(Nintendo only) gaming even when I was 0-1 years old.

2. I dont care about how much money Nintendo is making.My OPINION however is that buying a Wii right now if you're a hardcore gaming is a waste of money and only further promotes Nintendo's shady tactics.

3. I'm not a lemming or a cow, and I'm greedy myself so yes. Let me rephrase that for you while I'm typing this: Nintendo is getting a bit TOO greedy. Better?

4. Do you honestly think Nintendo couldn't meet the suply for the demand if they wanted to? They've made so much money off the Wii that they could buy new factories if they wanted to but that would cost money. And look, not finding ways to make more Wiis benefits them even further because it gives people like you excuses to why they havent lowered the price of the Wii yet.

Blackbond

Good thing your opinion is different then mines. I had no problems with Zelda TP, Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes, Super Mario Galaxy, or Smash Brawl.

Ugh I cant comment on all of your post since it sounds like the same old crap. But since you brought up a nice list of games, I might as well comment on them so I dont let your post go to waste.

Zelda TP was good, but contrary to popular sheep belief... it's a GAMECUBE game, not a Wii game. And yes, I ENJOYED IT A LOT ON MY GAMECUBE without the nunchuck shaking stupidity. In fact, playing it on the Wii at my friend's house and having to shake the nunchuck to use my sword not only showed the begining of many games to come that use poor implimentation of the motion controls, it also showed Nintendo's milking side. Nintendo advertised this game making it look like it was built ground up for the Wii even though it was a Gamecube game. Everyone I know that bought this game was dissapointed about the slapped on motion controls. Nintendo's commercials were misleading.

Metroid Prime 3 is a legit example of everything that a Wii game should be. I dont have one problem with this game and it's one of the very few that make me want to own a Wii or at least rent it. One thing though, isn't it funny that the only game that does everything right isn't even made directly by Nintendo? Nintendo needs to take notes from Retro studios. These guys know what they're doing.

No More Heroes is a sad excuse for a "AAA game". It's no wonder why this game got sub-par reviews everywhere else. I'd give it an 7.5, maybe an 8.0 at best. Too many flaws in this game. Not only is the gameplay repeditive and the motion controls feel tacked on for the most part, but the dialogue is corny and the jokes are only humorous to immature preteens and anime nerds(no offense, I was one too at one point in time). The game is pretty short and holds little to no replay value. The graphics are pukeworthy and most of the enemies look exactly the same as the last one you encountered. The coins flying everywhere adds an extra stupidity factor to the game that doesnt need to be there.

Super Mario Galaxy is a cla$$ic example of Could've Easily Been Done On The Gamecube syndrome. Honestly this game is probably really fun, but doesn't warrant a Wii purchase just because of the sole fact that it could have been done just as good on the Gamecube and that really makes the Wii look bad when you're thinking about which new console you want to buy and you have a gamecube sitting in your closet somewhere.

Super Smash Bros Brawl THANK YOU for bringing this game up. It is the best example of everything that's wrong with the Wii. It's kind of sad to say but this game would probably be even better on the Gamecube. It's really sad when you see more people playing a Wii game with their last gen Gamecube controllers than their "revolutionary" Wiimotes. This game is good, but pretty much IS Melee with some extra maps, characters, and crap that nobody cares about thrown in there. Add a touch of paint and there you go. The only reason I even warrant anyone to buy this game is because I was such an addict to Melee. And they better have a spare GC controller or two handy.

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Super Mario Galaxy is a cla$$ic example of Could've Easily Been Done On The Gamecube syndrome. Honestly this game is probably really fun, but doesn't warrant a Wii purchase just because of the sole fact that it could have been done just as good on the Gamecube and that really makes the Wii look bad when you're thinking about which new console you want to buy and you have a gamecube sitting in your closet somewhere.

wagexslave

And this statment proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

i agree thye have forgotten about the fans and have gone for the masses for sales instead that dont even normaly play games..

thers a wii at work in the canteen and it makes me sick seeing those people playing this wii sports...

i agree thye have forgotten about the fans and have gone for the masses for sales instead that dont even normaly play games..

thers a wii at work in the canteen and it makes me sick seeing those people playing this wii sports...

daveg1

What is wrong with people playing wii sports? It's a fun game, and it doesnt stop you from playing Nintendo's other good games.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

I dont defend any of the "big 3" as they're called. I used to defend Nintendo. And like I said in my original post(learn to read please ;)), I DON'T BLAME THEM FOR WANTING TO MAKE MONEY. That's not the problem I have with them. If they want to get rich good for them, go ahead. My problem with them is the change they've been going through to do it.

Nintendo didn't have to constantly hype peope with cheap gimmicks to buy their consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo didn't have to make their consoles with half of the power of the other consoles in the past, so why now? Nintendo never focused on making games for casual audiances in the past, so why now?

And I never claimed that "not any out of the millions and millions of owners" are enjoying their Wii. But I will say this. Out of those millions and millions of people that bought into the hype Nintendo made, the amount of people that are truely enjoying it and dont wish it had either better graphics or a better price for what you get is more like in the thousands(at most), not millions.

GundamGuy0

Again another unsubstantiated claim, made of pure speculation, and casual empericism.

Perhaps no one cares about how powerful the console is or how good the graphics are overall, but mearly care about how cool the games are.

How cool are they?

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

You can look at it as the "cheap" route, but it is also the extremely risky route as well. Selling hardware that is a little better than last gen specs with a motion controller is extremely risky. So many people, including developers, thought this thing was going to fail. They could have completely hit rock bottom. Hell, they took a huge risk with the DS as well. Completely abonding the Gameboy license is risky in itself.

wagexslave

It's called the "cheap" route for a reason. Nintendo didn't have to spend much money on it at all to there isn't much risk involved. You keep on making those excuses defending a company so blindly that was ripping you off from the minute you bought a Wii.

As far as I see it, you shouldn't have to defend the company you like. Especially when it's because of stupid decisions they make.

Nintendo's Research and Development budget is larger then the US Public School System Budget.

You were born a sheep? I was born as a human.... sorry I had to say it.ovechkin08

:lol:

As long as nintendo keep bringing out quality titles like galaxy and smash bros then let them get on with it

er... no.

They still make the best games. (you know what I mean, not wii sports)

GC hardware? It's clearly more powerful, if you'd played Mario Galaxy you'd know that, the game has better graphics than an original Xbox game, the Xbox was like 20 tonnes and about 5 metres wide, the Wii is tiny and has more powerful hardware than that, I think that's a technical advancment if you ask me, same as how PSP is a technical achievment, shrinking it to such a small size.

To be honest I'm so bored of topics like this now, people coming in going "OMG Wii sucks because I don't like it!!!!" Righto, that's a nice OPINION, personally I don't think Nintendo are milking me, I've bought no additional hardware for the Wii and have had great fun with it, I rent all my games so I'm not one of these fools who complains there are no games, just because they don't look around for them.

Here's the conversation between the TC and Nintendo.

TC: I refuse to buy your Wii because you are a money hungry company! Make me an HD Wii consoles that has the graphics of Gears of War or Metal Gear Solid and motion controls right now! :cry:
Nintendo: Please get out of line sir, we have millions of people behind you waiting to buy this Wii and noone cares about your opinion when our supply is so limited.

In all seriousness, it's true. You think Nintendo has EVER cared about gamers? They SAY they do to attract the hardcore gaming crowd, but really, alls they see us for is walking wallets, just like any other business, and I salute them, they struck gold with the Wii and DS, and it's called good marketing and good innovation on their part, don't take away their success.

Ugh I cant comment on all of your post since it sounds like the same old crap.

wagexslave

No you can't comment on my post because you don't know the first thing about business. Lowering price on a product that is selling out? Pure genius :roll:

The fact that you were a sheep is sad. The fact that you now avoid Nintendo because you feel they "offended" you is even more sadvicmackey39

Why did you put "offended" in quotation marks? I dont recall saying I avoid them because they offended me so don't put words into people's mouths. :)

I avoid Nintendo now because of their obvious change to appeal to the non/casual gamer as their priority. They haven't done anything lately to make me feel like a valued customer and no I don't expect them to. I'll just take my business elsewhere though Nintendo since you obviously don't care too much about the core gamers like me that supported you from the beginning.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][

Super Mario Galaxy is a cla$$ic example of Could've Easily Been Done On The Gamecube syndrome. Honestly this game is probably really fun, but doesn't warrant a Wii purchase just because of the sole fact that it could have been done just as good on the Gamecube and that really makes the Wii look bad when you're thinking about which new console you want to buy and you have a gamecube sitting in your closet somewhere.

laughingman42

And this statment proves that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Most of you sheep aren't even going to read to read much, if any, of this so let me tell you first off that I was BORN a sheep and was a sheep pretty much my whole life through late NES, SNES, N64, and until the end of the Gamecube. This is not the same gaming company I grew up loving that focused on only making and liscencing quality products for the hardcore gamer market. BTW, I'm going to bold some of the main points so you impatient people dont have to cry about the "GYINT WWALL OOF TEKST".

This is now a company that focuses more upon spending as little bit of money as possible to make as much money as they can than even getting much, if any, quality hardware and games to the consumer.

To those sheep that think Nintendo was doing you a favor by giving you Gamecube hardware but with motion controls - Are you kidding? Nintendo could've EASILY afforded to make a console that would have given you your money's worth as far as technology goes AND given you motion controls AND kept the price competitive with the other two consoles.

They made the Wii's specs complete garbage and reused the old Gamecube hardware on purpose because they knew they could hype the motion sensing abilities so much that most people wouldn't even focus on the fact that it's got last gen hardware and that means extra money for Nintendo.

Just to give you an idea of how much profit Nintendo is making on the Wii, consider this. Around the end of the Gamecube's life, it costed $80-100 and included a game or two and they were STILL making profit on it even then. Imagine how much they're making on the Wii considering the fact that it's about the same as far as hardware goes and costs 2-3 times as much, they only added a few cheap things like 512 flash memory and DVD drive, AND the hardware is probably even cheaper now than it was when the Gamecube was at that price.

My opinion on Nintendo now = A bunch of greedy corporate Japanese businessmen that dont give a crap about giving their best to their REAL long time supporters, and focus mostly on milking off of:

1: Trends(often originating in Japan)

2: Their own hype(which seems to increase more and more every day)

3: Little kids

(I don't exactly blame them for being money hungry, we all are in a way... but they lost me as a source of money because thanks to their shady decision making and blantant milking I stopped being a sheep this gen)

BTW, give me at least one good reason the Wii hasn't had a price cut. Oh, that's right... the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can, and that's it.

wagexslave

no price cut coz the Wii includes 512mb of flash memory, bluetooth, Wi-Fi, Motion Sensing capabilities, and SD card slot up to 2GB, play DVD Wii discs and GCN Mini-disks, 4 GCN controller ports and 2 GCN memory card ports, .....

Last i checked it costs Nintendo $213 to manufacture a Wii. Without including Wii sports. so thats a $37 profit

if you really were hardcore, you'd understand only this generation have we got consoles where the makers sold the systems at a heavy loss.

business generally need to make money to stay in business. isn't the 360 over the MSRP price? I could be wrong.

infact Nintendo was saving you money by not including a DVD player in it since everyone in the world can get one for $20

dude face it the Wii is worth the $200+ price tag

if you don't like that then i don't think you could possibly fathom how many products you pay for on a daily basis that are nearly overpriced 50% of their actual costs to produce (hint hint APPLE!)