My opinion on ''The Big N'' as of now. Proud Non-sheep since Wii

I agree with the TC the wii is a joke

1. 480p cmon my psp does that and the ps2 and xbox 1 did 720p/1080i in the previous gen

2. Pro logic sound went out with the ps1

3 The online sucks major ball I could not get online with mario kart

It's clear that the game like mario kart are aimed toward casuals and the wii is shovelware paradise.

ChiChiMonKilla

You psp dos't do 480P, 480x272 is not even close to 480P

The PS2 can't handle 720P/1080i

The rest of your points are genuine. The wii is still weak considering the price you pay for it, It dosnt even have a digital optical audio port wich the ps2 has, The online is horribly unstable and laggy and the software library leaves much to be desired.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

wagexslave

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

Which means that it wouldn't work with the GC Controller which means you just disproved your own point. Way to go lol.

[QUOTE="6matt6"]I just get annoyed how sheep seem to think Nintendo is this all loving company who cares about its customers more than money.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="ThePlothole"][QUOTE="6matt6"]I just get annoyed how sheep seem to think Nintendo is this all loving company who cares about its customers more than money.6matt6

Of course they don't. Nor do Sony or Microsoft... or any other company that has ever made a console.

We know that but Nintendo is the one who seems to have this messiah like following. In fact if you are going to say anything negative about Nintendo you better think twice because you will be more than likely ripped apart by rabid fanboys.

nintendo like any other company is out to make money.

If you ever though other wise then their is something wrong with your point of view on how the world works.

Yeah that is basically my point worded differently.

I don't see why people expected Nintendo to make a console with 360/PS3 specs. Nintendo only has its gaming division. If they produced a powerful console, it would have flopped just like the Gamecube, and cost them huge amounts of profits. Plus, they don't have the 3rd party support of other companies, and if their gaming division fails, they're going under.

I don't really mind the Wii because

A. It's cheap(er)

B. It has my favorite Nintendo franchises on it

I'm not crazy for a stronger console, the only real downside is that the Wii misses out on a lot of multiplats.

Those 4 hardcore games released early into the Wii's life were so they wouldn't lose their massive fanbase, and therfore their money.

Nothing more.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

wagexslave

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

The game uses the wiimote for alot more than just star collecting. It used it for all kinds of cool manipulations of mario. The sections with the wiimote are what turned SMG from another Great Mario platformer into the greatest mario platformer (except for maybe SMW)

See the problem is that you're saying that you don't like Nintendo anymore because they are trying to make money. Personally I don't overly care for motion controls, neither do I care about the technical limitations of the Wii. I also don't care how much extra money Nintendo makes of their consoles compared to the other companies. Do you honestly think the other two care much about the consumer either?

The fact that they are making less money doens't mean they all of a sudden care about you. Seriously. As long as there are good games for any system I am willing to purchase it, and there are plenty of quality titles from both Nintendo and third parties that warrant a purchase. Your reasonings behind not liking Nintendo are completely baseless.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

laughingman42

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

The game uses the wiimote for alot more than just star collecting. It used it for all kinds of cool manipulations of mario. The sections with the wiimote are what turned SMG from another Great Mario platformer into the greatest mario platformer (except for maybe SMW)

Yeah I know. I own it. Just trying to make a point he could easily understand.

See the problem is that you're saying that you don't like Nintendo anymore because they are trying to make money. Personally I don't overly care for motion controls, neither do I care about the technical limitations of the Wii. I also don't care how much extra money Nintendo makes of their consoles compared to the other companies. Do you honestly think the other two care much about the consumer either?

The fact that they are making less money doens't mean they all of a sudden care about you. Seriously. As long as there are good games for any system I am willing to purchase it, and there are plenty of quality titles from both Nintendo and third parties that warrant a purchase. Your reasonings behind not liking Nintendo are completely baseless.

shadowlink797

Stopped reading there. You obviously didn't read any of my posts.

And there was a time where the Nintendo seal of quality actually meant something. Now it seems like Nintendo will liscence any game for the Wii. It wouldn't suprise me me if there's a Big Rigs sequel planned for the Wii.

wagexslave

I'm sorry, but anyone who brings up the "Seal of Quality" argument has no idea what they are talking about.

For reference, look at the NES library. You think Nintendo gave LJN games the Seal because they were such quality titles?

The seal has always meant that the game is licensed by Nintendo--not that it is good.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

laughingman42

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

The game uses the wiimote for alot more than just star collecting. It used it for all kinds of cool manipulations of mario. The sections with the wiimote are what turned SMG from another Great Mario platformer into the greatest mario platformer (except for maybe SMW)

SM64 > SMG

The sections with the Wiimote were probably the were parts of the game. Especially the Manta ray surfing part. I will admit they did implement motion controls very nicely in SMG but the manta ray surfing was just a fail.

[QUOTE="shadowlink797"]

See the problem is that you're saying that you don't like Nintendo anymore because they are trying to make money. Personally I don't overly care for motion controls, neither do I care about the technical limitations of the Wii. I also don't care how much extra money Nintendo makes of their consoles compared to the other companies. Do you honestly think the other two care much about the consumer either?

The fact that they are making less money doens't mean they all of a sudden care about you. Seriously. As long as there are good games for any system I am willing to purchase it, and there are plenty of quality titles from both Nintendo and third parties that warrant a purchase. Your reasonings behind not liking Nintendo are completely baseless.

wagexslave

Stopped reading there. You obviously didn't read any of my posts.

No I did read your post and that is exactly what came off. I'm also not the only person you realises this. Quite frankly this is either a weird and pathetic reason not to like any company or a poor attempt at a Nintendo bashing thread.

Know what else bothers me about the Wii? That Nintendo gets none stop praise for the Wiimote even though they simply licensed the technology from a producer of desk free PC mouses.

People were using Wiimote like mice before the Wii even hit shop shelves; yet Nintendo gets all the credit for this technology, that PS3 gets bashed for apparently copying it from Wii when Wii copied it from a mouse.

Wii came out near the end of 2006, look what PC players were doing way back in March that year.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

Shadow2k6

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

The game uses the wiimote for alot more than just star collecting. It used it for all kinds of cool manipulations of mario. The sections with the wiimote are what turned SMG from another Great Mario platformer into the greatest mario platformer (except for maybe SMW)

SM64 > SMG

The sections with the Wiimote were probably the were parts of the game. Especially the Manta ray surfing part. I will admit they did implement motion controls very nicely in SMG but the manta ray surfing was just a fail.

[QUOTE="Shadow2k6"][QUOTE="laughingman42"][QUOTE="wagexslave"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man have you even played Super Mario Galaxy lol. I'd love to see you shoot and gather those star bits with the C-Stick man. Oh that should be intuitive and seemless indeed.

Shinobishyguy

That part of the game would just be taken out or tweaked to make work in a different way with the Gamecube controller.

The game uses the wiimote for alot more than just star collecting. It used it for all kinds of cool manipulations of mario. The sections with the wiimote are what turned SMG from another Great Mario platformer into the greatest mario platformer (except for maybe SMW)

SM64 > SMG

The sections with the Wiimote were probably the were parts of the game. Especially the Manta ray surfing part. I will admit they did implement motion controls very nicely in SMG but the manta ray surfing was just a fail.

Funny you should say that, because i think the only reason SMG got the kind of reviews it did was because of nostalgia. I don't even know why you guys are arguing with the TC. His points are valid and i agreed with every one of them. Nintendo has changed its ways since the GC (i'd say it started happening during GC's life) and are now way too family orientated. Why? Because that's the only way they're going to make money after losing to Sony and MS in previous attempts.

If you still like them, that's great. But i don't see why people just can't acknowledge that Nintendo has changed in a way that has dissappointed a lot of the original fanbase.

This just isn't the same Nintendo that I grew up with. The Nintendo I grew up with made their money by bringing us(the hardcore gamer) as much quality products that satisfy the consumer as possible. This Nintendo is more about quantity than quality and doesn't seem to really care about it's long-time supporters but cares more about shifting the direction of the company as much towards the casual gamer as possible.

Expect more "Wii Fit", "Wii Sports", and "Links Crossbow Training" type games to be released by Nintendo in the future and less(if any) hardcore gamer oriented new IPs. Expect the core Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to become more and more casual oriented in the next years.

Seriously, you sheep don't seem to understand how bad the path Nintendo's going down is for you. The more copies Wii Fit sells, the worse off the sheep are not only game wise, but console wise.

This just isn't the same Nintendo that I grew up with. The Nintendo I grew up with made their money by bringing us(the hardcore gamer) as much quality products that satisfy the consumer as they could without overhyping their games and hardware. This Nintendo is more about quantity than quality and doesn't seem to really care about it's long-time supporters but cares more about shifting the direction of the company as much towards the casual gamer as possible. This new Nintendo would rather release a slew of games they could sell on hype rather than word of mouth and customer satisfaction..

Expect more "Wii Fit", "Wii Sports", and "Links Crossbow Training" type games to be released by Nintendo in the future and less(if any) hardcore gamer oriented new IPs. Expect the core Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to become more and more casual oriented in the next years.

Seriously, you sheep don't seem to understand how bad the path Nintendo's going down is for you. The more copies Wii Fit sells, the worse off the sheep are not only game wise, but console wise.

Stop bumping this thread. We get it, you hate Nintendo now, irrationally, but either way you hate them.

This just isn't the same Nintendo that I grew up with. The Nintendo I grew up with made their money by bringing us(the hardcore gamer) as much quality products that satisfy the consumer as they could without overhyping their games and hardware. This Nintendo is more about quantity than quality and doesn't seem to really care about it's long-time supporters but cares more about shifting the direction of the company as much towards the casual gamer as possible. This new Nintendo would rather release a slew of games they could sell on hype rather than word of mouth and customer satisfaction..

Expect more"Wii Fit", "Wii Sports", and "Links Crossbow Training" type games to be released by Nintendo in the future and less(if any) hardcore gamer oriented new IPs. Expect the core Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to become more and more casual oriented in the next years.

Seriously, you sheep don't seem to understand how bad the path Nintendo's going down is for you. The more copies Wii Fit sells, the worse off the sheep are not only game wise, but console wise.

wagexslave

Get over yourself man. All you seem to c are about is how they are making money. Nintendo themselves has put out beast ass games this generation and just because the 3rd Party isn't exactly on board your hating on them?

Expect more? Well I expect a damn like for you to prove this to me.

Expect eh core Nintendo games to get even more casual? Oh man. More speculation. You might as well say expect PS3 to dominate console sales world wide. But in the end. Your "OPINIONS" mean nothing. Only the facts do. And there is no way you can back these statements.

Yeah Nintendo is going down such a bad path for the sheep :roll:

1. Zelda Twilight Princess
2. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl
5. Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
6. Battallion Wars 2
7. Super Paper Mario
8. Mario Kart Wii
9. Mario Strikers Charged
10. Mario Party 8

I damn well hope you were around here complaining last gen about Nintendo and their Gamecube because if you're going to compare Gamecube at this time compared to Wii at this time you'll find that Nintendo has done more in regards to giving Nintendo Sheep their Nintendo games.

*words*

wagexslave

SSBB, MP3 and SMG have proven that nintendo hasn't lost it.

And the DS is dominating the handheld market in terms of both sales and quality games.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

This just isn't the same Nintendo that I grew up with. The Nintendo I grew up with made their money by bringing us(the hardcore gamer) as much quality products that satisfy the consumer as they could without overhyping their games and hardware. This Nintendo is more about quantity than quality and doesn't seem to really care about it's long-time supporters but cares more about shifting the direction of the company as much towards the casual gamer as possible. This new Nintendo would rather release a slew of games they could sell on hype rather than word of mouth and customer satisfaction..

Expect more"Wii Fit", "Wii Sports", and "Links Crossbow Training" type games to be released by Nintendo in the future and less(if any) hardcore gamer oriented new IPs. Expect the core Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to become more and more casual oriented in the next years.

Seriously, you sheep don't seem to understand how bad the path Nintendo's going down is for you. The more copies Wii Fit sells, the worse off the sheep are not only game wise, but console wise.

Blackbond

Get over yourself man. All you seem to c are about is how they are making money. Nintendo themselves has put out beast ass games this generation and just because the 3rd Party isn't exactly on board your hating on them?

Expect more? Well I expect a damn like for you to prove this to me.

Expect eh core Nintendo games to get even more casual? Oh man. More speculation. You might as well say expect PS3 to dominate console sales world wide. But in the end. Your "OPINIONS" mean nothing. Only the facts do. And there is no way you can back these statements.

Yeah Nintendo is going down such a bad path for the sheep :roll:

1. Zelda Twilight Princess
2. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl
5. Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
6. Battallion Wars 2
7. Super Paper Mario
8. Mario Kart Wii
9. Mario Strikers Charged
10. Mario Party 8

I damn well hope you were around here complaining last gen about Nintendo and their Gamecube because if you're going to compare Gamecube at this time compared to Wii at this time you'll find that Nintendo has done more in regards to giving Nintendo Sheep their Nintendo games.

Almost all of those games were in production/planned before the Wii even came out and Nintendo got casual.

What games are Nintendo making for the Wii in the next year? In the next 2 years? Expect a bunch of casual games and little, if any, suprises for you hardcore gamers.

Stop bumping this thread. We get it, you hate Nintendo now, irrationally, but either way you hate them.

Homesrfan

STFU I didn't bump this, someone else did. I thought this thread was dead long ago....

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

*words*

Shinobishyguy

SSBB, MP3 and SMG have proven that nintendo hasn't lost it.

And the DS is dominating the handheld market in terms of both sales and quality games.

Those (few) good games were in production since before Nintendo sold out. Don't expect much more good games like those on the Wii.

Btw, Nintendo didn't make MP3 Retro did.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

This just isn't the same Nintendo that I grew up with. The Nintendo I grew up with made their money by bringing us(the hardcore gamer) as much quality products that satisfy the consumer as they could without overhyping their games and hardware. This Nintendo is more about quantity than quality and doesn't seem to really care about it's long-time supporters but cares more about shifting the direction of the company as much towards the casual gamer as possible. This new Nintendo would rather release a slew of games they could sell on hype rather than word of mouth and customer satisfaction..

Expect more"Wii Fit", "Wii Sports", and "Links Crossbow Training" type games to be released by Nintendo in the future and less(if any) hardcore gamer oriented new IPs. Expect the core Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, and Metroid to become more and more casual oriented in the next years.

Seriously, you sheep don't seem to understand how bad the path Nintendo's going down is for you. The more copies Wii Fit sells, the worse off the sheep are not only game wise, but console wise.

wagexslave

Get over yourself man. All you seem to c are about is how they are making money. Nintendo themselves has put out beast ass games this generation and just because the 3rd Party isn't exactly on board your hating on them?

Expect more? Well I expect a damn like for you to prove this to me.

Expect eh core Nintendo games to get even more casual? Oh man. More speculation. You might as well say expect PS3 to dominate console sales world wide. But in the end. Your "OPINIONS" mean nothing. Only the facts do. And there is no way you can back these statements.

Yeah Nintendo is going down such a bad path for the sheep :roll:

1. Zelda Twilight Princess
2. Metroid Prime 3 Corruption
3. Super Mario Galaxy
4. Super Smash Brothers Brawl
5. Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
6. Battallion Wars 2
7. Super Paper Mario
8. Mario Kart Wii
9. Mario Strikers Charged
10. Mario Party 8

I damn well hope you were around here complaining last gen about Nintendo and their Gamecube because if you're going to compare Gamecube at this time compared to Wii at this time you'll find that Nintendo has done more in regards to giving Nintendo Sheep their Nintendo games.

Almost all of those games were in production/planned before the Wii even came out and Nintendo got casual.

What games are Nintendo making for the Wii in the next year? In the next 2 years? Expect a bunch of casual games and little, if any, suprises for you hardcore gamers.

Alright lets see what they have announced so far for the rest of this year...

1. Fatal Frame IV (Hardcore)
2. Disaster Day Of Crisis (Hardcore)
3. Kirby Wii (Hardcore)
4. Warioland (Hardcore)
5. Wii Music (If it's even coming, Casual)
6. Animal Crossing(Both)

So...lets count with me now, get your hands ready!

Thats 1, 2, 3, 4 Hardcore Games!

1 Casual Game
And 1 game that both could enjoy easily.

Yeah Nintendo is producing a lot of casual games :roll:

Almost all of those games were in production/planned before the Wii even came out and Nintendo got casual.

What games are Nintendo making for the Wii in the next year?In the next 2 years?Expect a bunch of casual games and little, if any, suprises for you hardcore gamers.

wagexslave

Excuses exuses. Sorry man but games are always planned far in ahead and those games were all successful so why would they stop making those types of games?

What games is Nintendo making next year or in two years? Ask Nintendo not me. They haven't annoucned their projects yet.

EXPECT? Well isn't that pathetic. Why don't you give me proof, facts, or evidence on your claims instead of your "OPINIONS"

Opinions are worthless. Show me the facts, the proof, the evidence of your claims.

And what the hell does it matter if those gamers were in production/planned earlier?I THOUGHT YOU SAID NINTENDO WASN'T MAKING GOOD GAMES?

Your just the text book definition of a hypocritical hater. Nothing more and nothing less.

Alright lets see what they have announced so far for the rest of this year...

1. Fatal Frame IV (Hardcore)
2. Disaster Day Of Crisis (Hardcore)
3. Kirby Wii (Hardcore)
4. Warioland (Hardcore)
5. Wii Music (If it's even coming, Casual)
6. Animal Crossing(Both)

So...lets count with me now, get your hands ready!

Thats 1, 2, 3, 4 Hardcore Games!

1 Casual Game
And 1 game that both could enjoy easily.

Yeah Nintendo is producing a lot of casual games :roll:

dragonball3900

First of all WTF is Fatal Frame. Second of all what's so hardcore about Kirby and Warioland? Knowing the history of these franchises the games wont be anything too special(most likely mediocre), generally short, and have little replay value.

Oh, and Disaster Day Of Crisis looks like it can be either an instant cla$$ic or an instant flop.

[QUOTE="dragonball3900"]

Alright lets see what they have announced so far for the rest of this year...

1. Fatal Frame IV (Hardcore)
2. Disaster Day Of Crisis (Hardcore)
3. Kirby Wii (Hardcore)
4. Warioland (Hardcore)
5. Wii Music (If it's even coming, Casual)
6. Animal Crossing(Both)

So...lets count with me now, get your hands ready!

Thats 1, 2, 3, 4 Hardcore Games!

1 Casual Game
And 1 game that both could enjoy easily.

Yeah Nintendo is producing a lot of casual games :roll:

wagexslave

First of all WTF is Fatal Frame. Second of all what's so hardcore about Kirby and Warioland? Knowing the history of these franchises the games wont be anything too special(most likely mediocre), generally short, and have little replay value.

Oh, and Disaster Day Of Crisis looks like it can be either an instant cla$$ic or an instant flop.

Now, you clearly have shown that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay, so Fatal Frame is one of the scariest survival horror franchises there is. Going from a PS2/Xbox title to Wii exclusive after Nintendo agreed to publish it for Tecmo.

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

And Kirby titles are always great (except maybe squeek squad).

Nintendo has also confirmed that they are making Pikmin and Animal Crossing, although I wouldn't call Animal Crossing a hardcore game, it's still excellent.

Plus Retro is making a new game. And it doesn't matter if Retro =/= Nintendo. Nintendo funds Retro's games, so for all intents and purposes Rare = Nintendo.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

[QUOTE="dragonball3900"]

Alright lets see what they have announced so far for the rest of this year...

1. Fatal Frame IV (Hardcore)
2. Disaster Day Of Crisis (Hardcore)
3. Kirby Wii (Hardcore)
4. Warioland (Hardcore)
5. Wii Music (If it's even coming, Casual)
6. Animal Crossing(Both)

So...lets count with me now, get your hands ready!

Thats 1, 2, 3, 4 Hardcore Games!

1 Casual Game
And 1 game that both could enjoy easily.

Yeah Nintendo is producing a lot of casual games :roll:

Homesrfan

First of all WTF is Fatal Frame. Second of all what's so hardcore about Kirby and Warioland? Knowing the history of these franchises the games wont be anything too special(most likely mediocre), generally short, and have little replay value.

Oh, and Disaster Day Of Crisis looks like it can be either an instant cla$$ic or an instant flop.

Now, you clearly have shown that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Okay, so Fatal Frame is one of the scariest survival horror franchises there is. Going from a PS2/Xbox title to Wii exclusive after Nintendo agreed to publish it for Tecmo.

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

And Kirby titles are always great (except maybe squeek squad).

Nintendo has also confirmed that they are making Pikmin and Animal Crossing, although I wouldn't call Animal Crossing a hardcore game, it's still excellent.

Plus Retro is making a new game. And it doesn't matter if Retro =/= Nintendo. Nintendo funds Retro's games, so for all intents and purposes Rare = Nintendo.

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

Homesrfan

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

BTW, can you tell me more about Fatal Frame since I know nothing about it. What is the history of the franchise? Good games? Long or short games?

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

wagexslave

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

Actually Retro = Nintendo since Retro Studios is Wholly Owned by Nintendo making them First Party. Nintendo only owned 49% of Rareware so that meant Rareware was 2nd Party to Nintendo until Rare sold its 51% to Microsoft forcing Nintendo to sell its 49% shares to Microsoft.Nintendo_Ownes7

The business part doesn't matter.

Yes games made by Retro are considered 1st party, but they're still games made solely by Retro FOR Nintendo.

Even if Nintendo got as casual as they could get I don't think Retro would.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

wagexslave

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

BTW, can you tell me more about Fatal Frame since I know nothing about it. What is the history of the franchise? Good games? Long or short games?

In the game you are only armed with a Camera to take pictures of Ghost and that is how you defeat them. But it is supposedly the Scariest game series.

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

wagexslave

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

BTW, can you tell me more about Fatal Frame since I know nothing about it. What is the history of the franchise? Good games? Long or short games?

Fatal Frame is said to be a very good series, but apparently the third one wasn't as good, and the second one is the best. I've only played a bit of the first one. From the screens it looks really good (Fatal Frame 4). It's a unique horror game because you don't actually have a weapon like a gun, knife, or anything like this. In this game you are given a camera that captures the souls of the ghouls that haunt you. The closer the ghosts are to you, the more they will be hurt when you take the picture.

And Wario Land Wii is 2D just like the handheld games:

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Actually Retro = Nintendo since Retro Studios is Wholly Owned by Nintendo making them First Party. Nintendo only owned 49% of Rareware so that meant Rareware was 2nd Party to Nintendo until Rare sold its 51% to Microsoft forcing Nintendo to sell its 49% shares to Microsoft.wagexslave

The business part doesn't matter.

Yes games made by Retro are considered 1st party, but they're still games made solely by Retro FOR Nintendo.

Even if Nintendo got as casual as they could get I don't think Retro would.

The fact that Nintendo gives Retro money to fund games make it apparent that they are still interested in hardcore games. Nintendo actually comended Retro for making hardcore games.

I was BORN a sheep and was a sheep pretty much my whole life . BTW, I'm going to bold some of the main points so you impatient people dont have to cry about the "GYINT WWALL OOF TEKST".

Nintendo could've EASILY afforded to make a console that would have given you your money's worth as far as technology goes AND given you motion controls AND kept the price competitive with the other two consoles.

hype the motion sensing abilities so much that most people wouldn't even focus on the fact that it's got last gen hardware

Imagine how much they're making on the Wii considering the fact that it's about the same as far as hardware goes and costs 2-3 times as much,

focus mostly on milking off of:

the only reason why they haven't cut the price of the Wii is because it'sEXTRA CASH IN NINTENDO'S POCKET so they're going to wait as long as they can,

wagexslave

Having read your post....actually all of it...your arguement boils down to "The Wii costs too much, IMO."

Now, knowing that, I can point out that value is an individual worth judgement. You think its a poor value, don't buy it. Many others find it to be a great value.

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Okay, in that case I could understand why some people would be excited over it because I DID enjoy the old Wario Land games for the Game Boy(s) a lot.

Here's another question, did Treasure make any of the old Wario Land games? Did they make all of them?

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

[QUOTE="Homesrfan"]

Secondly, Wario Land games are NOT mediocre. Check any review site. Gamespot reviewed Wario Land 3 a 9.8 (near perfect) Wario Land 4 an 8.7, and Wario Land 2 an 8.9. Way above mediocre.

Homesrfan

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

BTW, can you tell me more about Fatal Frame since I know nothing about it. What is the history of the franchise? Good games? Long or short games?

Fatal Frame is said to be a very good series, but apparently the third one wasn't as good, and the second one is the best. I've only played a bit of the first one. From the screens it looks really good (Fatal Frame 4). It's a unique horror game because you don't actually have a weapon like a gun, knife, or anything like this. In this game you are given a camera that captures the souls of the ghouls that haunt you. The closer the ghosts are to you, the more they will be hurt when you take the picture.

And Wario Land Wii is 2D just like the handheld games:

Hmm thanks. These games could be pretty good. Fatal Frame looks nice for a Wii game but it also looks like it could be a flop depending on how they pull it off.

Wario Land looks good. I have a question though, is it a WiiWare game?

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

wagexslave

Okay, in that case I could understand why some people would be excited over it because I DID enjoy the old Wario Land games for the Game Boy(s) a lot.

Here's another question, did Treasure make any of the old Wario Land games? Did they make all of them?

All Wario Land games are developed internally according to Gamespot.

Hmm thanks. These games could be pretty good. Fatal Frame looks nice for a Wii game but it also looks like it could be a flop depending on how they pull it off.

Wario Land looks good. I have a question though, is it a WiiWare game?

wagexslave

No it's full retail game. As long as its long enough I'm willing to pay it though.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

Almost all of those games were in production/planned before the Wii even came out and Nintendo got casual.

What games are Nintendo making for the Wii in the next year?In the next 2 years?Expect a bunch of casual games and little, if any, suprises for you hardcore gamers.

wagexslave

Why don't you give me proof, facts, or evidence on your claims instead of your "OPINIONS"

Opinions are worthless. Show me the facts, the proof, the evidence of your claims.

These were the only words worth replying to in your post. For one reason:

If you don't want my opinion then GTFO. Should've read the thread title before you came here.

I'll say it again, expect more and more casual Wii games(or the casualization of hardcore Nintendo games) in the future the more this casual thing sells copies for them.

What are you going to do make me? You're stating things that are completely untrue and things that you can in know way prove. SO really I don't understand what the hell you are complaining about. You use the word "EXPECT" so many times. Well I ask you, what the hell are you psychic? Do you know what the future holds? Should I believe in what you tell me to expect? Hell no. If you're going to tell me to expect something you better damn well back that up with some factual evidence. But guess what? You can't.

Why should I expect more? Because you said so? Nintendo has put out more core games this time in the Wii's life then the Gamecube at the equivleant time. So your point itself is meaningless as Nintendo has put out more core games compared to last gen at the equivlent time.

Then you go and complain about oh the games aren't good anymore :cry:

Then you get shown a list of decent to good to great games and of the Nintendo variety and the only thing you can say is that they were planned before the Wii and Nintendo went casaul.

Yeah.....

First of all WTF is Fatal Frame

wagexslave

You don't even know about Fatal Frame and your complaining about casuals? Talk about irony :roll:

[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"][QUOTE="wagexslave"]

K, you're right. I don't know anything about Wario Land for the Wii(at all). Can I ask you one thing then, is it a LEGIT Wario Land game? Is it 3D?

All I know is that Nintendo's past attempt at making a 3D Wario game(Gamecube) turned out pretty mediocre compared to the 2D games IMO so it just doesn't seem like anything to get too excited about just knowing that.

wagexslave

Okay, in that case I could understand why some people would be excited over it because I DID enjoy the old Wario Land games for the Game Boy(s) a lot.

Here's another question, did Treasure make any of the old Wario Land games? Did they make all of them?

[QUOTE="wagexslave"]

First of all WTF is Fatal Frame

Blackbond

You don't even know about Fatal Frame and your complaining about casuals? Talk about irony :roll:

I LOL'd. :D

But seriously, how can anyone "hardcore" not know what Fatal Frame is?

I read your post and I cant figure out why you just haven't left the thread yet if it bothers you so much. Nobody wants you here anyways. All you're doing is whining.

Anyways, you say all I'm doing is stating opinions(and you're right I am... that's the point of this thread). But take a look at your hypocritical post. FULL of opinions with no factual evidence backing them up. (I highlighted the opinions in it for you just in case you have a hard time comprehending)

BTW I am in no way a psychic and do not claim my OPINIONS to be true. You are the one taking them this way and I should not be held accountable for this. If you dont want to read peoples opinions you might as well leave Gamespot, because that's what this site is based on. Every game review is an opinion and 99% of posts in the forums are opinions. If you want facts go read a dictionary. :)

Like I said, just GTFO and hurry up before you further embarass yourself.

wagexslave

Yes you are... you are telling us that we shouldn't support Nintendo and we are wondering why we are just helping them fund casual games... you're taking obvious stretches to try to prove your point, but no one is really buying it. I enjoy Wii Sports and casual games and you are telling me I'm wrong for liking them. You're telling me that because we enjoy them and Nintendo makes money off them, they will forget about the hardcore market, which I like more casual games.

Also, Nintendo is making a Fire Emblem for DS (they also made one for Wii) which is one of their most hardcore games.