My problem with X-Box Live

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Money is money, and $50 can do a lot of things. It shouldn't have to make it so I can play Call of Duty 4 if I want to though, at least when it's free on that game's other two online capable platforms.

Verge_6

You don't even HAVE a 360, so just what in the hell is the point of all this?

I'm pointing out that it's a rip-off, and several 360 owners came in and agreed with me.

Even YOU said $50 was too much...

And many others don't. And where did I say it was too much? And I don't consider all the extra services it offers a 'rip off'. But, I guess blatant unacknowledgement is the name of the game here.

I mistook you for another poster. But I never accused you of calling it a rip-off...

Money is money, and $50 can do a lot of things. It shouldn't have to make it so I can play Call of Duty 4 if I want to though, at least when it's free on that game's other two online capable platforms.

The point is if I start looking at $50 as "Nothing" I'll end up being in debt up to my ears and in miserable servitude to some credit company.

mstc_Q

Nobody is saying it's nothing. The main complaint i'm hearing is that it isn't that big a deal at all, and also that you dont even have an xbox nor xbox live and thus dont really know what you're talking about.

You're supposedly in college, and MARRIED, and you still can't comprehend what an opinion is. Pray for the future of his possible future child ladies and gents, because his/her father is probably going to limit their diet to rice and water to save money.

Verge_6

Alright, you can play the opinion card if you want.

I'm simply stating opportunity cost economics here, and my thread title is "My problem" with X-Box live.

If you don't have a problem with it, then you shouldn't be so offended by my comments either.

[QUOTE="Phantom_J"]You better be majoring in something well paying. Forget looking for a career that you think is fun, find one that is guaranteed money, because if you feel the need to calculate expenses like this, then you ain't payed enough...mstc_Q

As I said before, even if I was being paid a six digit salary, I wouldn't be dropping $50 on the street just because I could afford to without much reprucussion.

You've lost it completely now. How is paying for xbox live the same as dropping money in the street? Please explain that leap in logic.

You're paying for a service. Some think $50 is too much, but i dont know many people at all who say it should be free outright, as it is. The more you go on about throwing away money for nothing, the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what you're talking about, as already established by the fact that a) you dont even own an xbox b) you know so little about live that you didnt even know there were free accounts.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

You're supposedly in college, and MARRIED, and you still can't comprehend what an opinion is. Pray for the future of his possible future child ladies and gents, because his/her father is probably going to limit their diet to rice and water to save money.

mstc_Q

Alright, you can play the opinion card if you want.

I'm simply stating opportunity cost economics here, and my thread title is "My problem" with X-Box live.

If you don't have a problem with it, then you shouldn't be so offended by my comments either.

I'm not "offended", I am completely and totally dumbfounded.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Money is money, and $50 can do a lot of things. It shouldn't have to make it so I can play Call of Duty 4 if I want to though, at least when it's free on that game's other two online capable platforms.

The point is if I start looking at $50 as "Nothing" I'll end up being in debt up to my ears and in miserable servitude to some credit company.

Ninja-Hippo

Nobody is saying it's nothing. The main complaint i'm hearing is that it isn't that big a deal at all, and also that you dont even have an xbox nor xbox live and thus dont really know what you're talking about.

I've said before that I consider my exposure to the service to be enough to form an opinion about it. But aside from that there are a few replies to this thread from people who DO own the service and are disatisfied with it, vindicating my opinions.

[QUOTE="Verge_6"]

You're supposedly in college, and MARRIED, and you still can't comprehend what an opinion is. Pray for the future of his possible future child ladies and gents, because his/her father is probably going to limit their diet to rice and water to save money.

mstc_Q

Alright, you can play the opinion card if you want.

I'm simply stating opportunity cost economics here, and my thread title is "My problem" with X-Box live.

If you don't have a problem with it, then you shouldn't be so offended by my comments either.

When the comments come from somebody who doesnt own an xbox, and who demonstrates many times that they know nothing about xbox liv, it's quite easy to take exception to it.

I could go make a thread called "my problem with Ohio...." right now. I know jack about ohio. Sure it's "my opinion", but it doesnt change the fact that it comes from somebody with zero knowledge on the subject matter.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Money is money, and $50 can do a lot of things. It shouldn't have to make it so I can play Call of Duty 4 if I want to though, at least when it's free on that game's other two online capable platforms.

The point is if I start looking at $50 as "Nothing" I'll end up being in debt up to my ears and in miserable servitude to some credit company.

mstc_Q

Nobody is saying it's nothing. The main complaint i'm hearing is that it isn't that big a deal at all, and also that you dont even have an xbox nor xbox live and thus dont really know what you're talking about.

I've said before that I consider my exposure to the service to be enough to form an opinion about it. But aside from that there are a few replies to this thread from people who DO own the service and are disatisfied with it, vindicating my opinions.

And a great many more who think you are being ridiculous. But, again, blatant unacknowledgement is the name of the game in this thread.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

[QUOTE="Phantom_J"]You better be majoring in something well paying. Forget looking for a career that you think is fun, find one that is guaranteed money, because if you feel the need to calculate expenses like this, then you ain't payed enough...Ninja-Hippo

As I said before, even if I was being paid a six digit salary, I wouldn't be dropping $50 on the street just because I could afford to without much reprucussion.

You've lost it completely now. How is paying for xbox live the same as dropping money in the street? Please explain that leap in logic.

You're paying for a service. Some think $50 is too much, but i dont know many people at all who say it should be free outright, as it is. The more you go on about throwing away money for nothing, the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what you're talking about, as already established by the fact that a) you dont even own an xbox b) you know so little about live that you didnt even know there were free accounts.

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

I've said before that I consider my exposure to the service to be enough to form an opinion about it. But aside from that there are a few replies to this thread from people who DO own the service and are disatisfied with it, vindicating my opinions.

mstc_Q

Yes, you sure have said that. Words are great. You've demonstrated that you dont know anything about it, however. Have you ever set up a video chat before? Ever joined a photosharing group? Ever been playing Halo, been invited to COD4, changed the disc, pressed the big silver button and been taken straight to the game?

And stop going on about people who agree. Nobody is dissatisfied with the service. The only complain some people have is that they dont want to pay for it. And i agree. I dont think it is worth $50. I think they need to make things better for gold members, just like gamespot needs to do more to make subscribing worth it.

I dont think they should make it free though. It'd be great if they did, but i dont expect it. I know i'm getting something for my money, even if i want more. You dont seem to understand that at all.

Your "exposure" to the service has been proved more or less non-existant, by your own comments.

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

mstc_Q

Now this thread has degenerated into farse. All you want is to be able to play games? Super. Get a PS3 then. Play games on your PC. Stick to those.

Because xbox live offers you more than "just playing the games", you complain? Seriously? This is like walking into a ferrari dealership and complaining that it's all too expensive when "i just want a little car to go the supermarket!"

Get one then. Clearly the ferrari isnt for you.

It's not the same as dropping money in the street. That logic is just awful. If xbox live were identical to PSN, that would make sense. But it isn't. It offers a lot more than PSN does, hence why you pay for it.

You're digging a hole.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

Ninja-Hippo

Now this thread has degenerated into farse. All you want is to be able to play games? Super. Get a PS3 then. Play games on your PC. Stick to those.

Because xbox live offers you more than "just playing the games", you complain? Seriously? This is like walking into a ferrari dealership and complaining that it's all too expensive when "i just want a little car to go the supermarket!"

Get one then. Clearly the ferrari isnt for you.

It's not the same as dropping money in the street. That logic is just awful. If xbox live were identical to PSN, that would make sense. But it isn't. It offers a lot more than PSN does, hence why you pay for it.

You're digging a hole.

No, I'm not.

I like the 360. I'd like to play some of its exclusives online if I had one. I don't want to pay $50 just to do that.

No, I'm not.

I like the 360. I'd like to play some of its exclusives online if I had one. I don't want to pay $50 just to do that.

mstc_Q

Then you have no value for money. You dont own an xbox, as has been pointed out, and thus cant comprehend what it is you're paying for. You keep talking of xbox live as if it's the same as PSN, which is free, yet people pay for it anyway. As if anybody would do that.

You need to comprehend that you're paying for something. That's why your thread is so very, very flawed; you keep commenting on things you know nothing about.

If you want to play an exclusive now and then; why not just pay $5 for a month card? Ever think of that?

The simple fact here is that you're trying to argue that $50 is a significant amount of money that people throw away for nothing. That is completely wrong for two reasons:

a) They're not throwing it away. "Like throwing money in the street" is the worst point you've made in this thread. It isn't at all. You're paying for a service significantly better than any other offered on any console.

b). If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

Ninja-Hippo

Wich is what made me so flabbergasted. He is perfectly willing to pony up hundreds of dollars for an entertainment system AND games, but cannot fathom paying four dollars a month for an online service.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

No, I'm not.

I like the 360. I'd like to play some of its exclusives online if I had one. I don't want to pay $50 just to do that.

Ninja-Hippo

Then you have no value for money. You dont own an xbox, as has been pointed out, and thus cant comprehend what it is you're paying for. You keep talking of xbox live as if it's the same as PSN, which is free, yet people pay for it anyway. As if anybody would do that.

You need to comprehend that you're paying for something. That's why your thread is so very, very flawed; you keep commenting on things you know nothing about.

If you want to play an exclusive now and then; why not just pay $5 for a month card? Ever think of that?

The simple fact here is that you're trying to argue that $50 is a significant amount of money that people throw away for nothing. That is completely wrong for two reasons:

a) They're not throwing it away. "Like throwing money in the street" is the worst point you've made in this thread. It isn't at all. You're paying for a service significantly better than any other offered on any console.

b). If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

ownage approved

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

[QUOTE="Phantom_J"]You better be majoring in something well paying. Forget looking for a career that you think is fun, find one that is guaranteed money, because if you feel the need to calculate expenses like this, then you ain't payed enough...mstc_Q

As I said before, even if I was being paid a six digit salary, I wouldn't be dropping $50 on the street just because I could afford to without much reprucussion.

You've lost it completely now. How is paying for xbox live the same as dropping money in the street? Please explain that leap in logic.

You're paying for a service. Some think $50 is too much, but i dont know many people at all who say it should be free outright, as it is. The more you go on about throwing away money for nothing, the more painfully obvious it becomes that you have no idea what you're talking about, as already established by the fact that a) you dont even own an xbox b) you know so little about live that you didnt even know there were free accounts.

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

Verge_6

Wich is what made me so flabbergasted. He is perfectly willing to pony up hundreds of dollars for an entertainment system AND games, but cannot fathom paying four dollars a month for an online service.

Not when it SHOULD be free to play online. The other services could require the charge, but I don't know how they can excuse charging for what other companies give for free.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

No, I'm not.

I like the 360. I'd like to play some of its exclusives online if I had one. I don't want to pay $50 just to do that.

Microsoft1234

Then you have no value for money. You dont own an xbox, as has been pointed out, and thus cant comprehend what it is you're paying for. You keep talking of xbox live as if it's the same as PSN, which is free, yet people pay for it anyway. As if anybody would do that.

You need to comprehend that you're paying for something. That's why your thread is so very, very flawed; you keep commenting on things you know nothing about.

If you want to play an exclusive now and then; why not just pay $5 for a month card? Ever think of that?

The simple fact here is that you're trying to argue that $50 is a significant amount of money that people throw away for nothing. That is completely wrong for two reasons:

a) They're not throwing it away. "Like throwing money in the street" is the worst point you've made in this thread. It isn't at all. You're paying for a service significantly better than any other offered on any console.

b). If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

ownage approved

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

If $50 drastically alters your lifestyle or your long-term financial plan, you wouldn't be gaming at all. If $50 a year had you worried for your son's college fund, you wouldn't own a PS3. You wouldn't be buying games, full stop.

mstc_Q

Wich is what made me so flabbergasted. He is perfectly willing to pony up hundreds of dollars for an entertainment system AND games, but cannot fathom paying four dollars a month for an online service.

Not when it SHOULD be free to play online. The other services could require the charge, but I don't know how they can excuse charging for what other companies give for free.

You're right. You do NOT know how they can excuse the charge, because you don't have a CLUE as to what they are offering.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

Ilikemyname420

I can't get MGS4 for free, and to me it was worth the expense. I don't feel like I would be getting ANYTHING from XBL that I cared about that shouldn't already be free.

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

mstc_Q

I can't get MGS4 for free, and to me it was worth the expense. I don't feel like I would be getting ANYTHING from XBL that I cared about that shouldn't already be free.

Not when it SHOULD be free to play online. The other services could require the charge, but I don't know how they can excuse charging for what other companies give for free.

mstc_Q

Seriously just stop. :? You keep saying these things because you dont have xbox live. You dont understand. They're not charging for what is free on PSN. They're charging for a service significantly better than PSN.

Please understand that. Why not be reasonable and just say that it was wrong to make this thread and wrong to be judging a service you dont have?

So why worry about it then?vaderhater

Sigh... I guess I won't. And I guess won't be getting a 360 anytime soon either.

[QUOTE="vaderhater"]So why worry about it then?mstc_Q

Sigh... I guess I won't. And I guess won't be getting a 360 anytime soon either.

Whoa, THERE'S a shocker.

I can't get MGS4 for free, and to me it was worth the expense. I don't feel like I would be getting ANYTHING from XBL that I cared about that shouldn't already be free.

mstc_Q

Because you have no idea what you'd be getting, as you've demonstrated in every post.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

Not when it SHOULD be free to play online. The other services could require the charge, but I don't know how they can excuse charging for what other companies give for free.

Ninja-Hippo

Seriously just stop. :? You keep saying these things because you dont have xbox live. You dont understand. They're not charging for what is free on PSN. They're charging for a service significantly better than PSN.

Please understand that. Why not be reasonable and just say that it was wrong to make this thread and wrong to be judging a service you dont have?

If all I want to do is hop online, then why should I pay for it?

You can claim that the servers are less laggy, but someone here has said something about that already, and honestly I haven't had any problems with my PS3 so far, and especially not for my PC.

Fine, you get video chat, and messenging and all that, but what if I don't care? What if all I want to do is antisocially log into the game and shoot human-player targets?

Why should I be charged for that? Shouldn't that be included with the silver service?

Throw the headset in there too, because I actually don't have to be completely anti-social.

I may not know everything XBL has to offer, but I'm not entirally convinced that it's worth a dime to me at all. And I do have a problem with what I know about it.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]It's simple...if you can't afford Xbox live don't buy it, stick to psn, I don't think microsoft will go under waiting for you to sign up. Good luck with psn and enjoy! If you can't budget in 50 dollars a year, then maybe you should find a cheaper hobby imo. Concentrate on your studies, get a degree and a good job, then maybe you can afford to splurge a whole 50 dollars a year on xbox live.mstc_Q

I don't own an X-Box 360.

But this is a deterrant. Gaming is a relatively cheap hobby if you shop around right, but XBL is a rip-off.

If you don't own one, don't buy one, especially if you think live is a rip off or can't afford it. MS won't miss your business.

[QUOTE="Ilikemyname420"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

All I want from the service is the ability to play my online games online, which is something I can get for free through other mediums.

In that way, $50 for the service is about the same as dropping it in the street. If you think $50 is worth it for the other things that the service offers that I don't care about in the least, that's your own perogative.

mstc_Q

I can't get MGS4 for free, and to me it was worth the expense. I don't feel like I would be getting ANYTHING from XBL that I cared about that shouldn't already be free.

If all I want to do is hop online, then why should I pay for it?

You can claim that the servers are less laggy, but someone here has said something about that already, and honestly I haven't had any problems with my PS3 so far, and especially not for my PC.

Fine, you get video chat, and messenging and all that, but what if I don't care? What if all I want to do is antisocially log into the game and shoot human-player targets?

Why should I be charged for that? Shouldn't that be included with the silver service?

Throw the headset in there too, because I actually don't have to be completely anti-social.

mstc_Q

If you want a very basic service where all you do is literally play games online, dont get a 360. If you dont want the whole network thing, the whole friends and connectivity stuff, the gamercards and game tracking, achievements, collection comparing, party system, video and voice, cross game invites, all the stuff that you get with live. If you dont want any of that; dont get a 360.

Go for the PS3. It's bare-bones, but it's free. And that's what you want. Free. Because you dont value what you're paying for with live (mostly because you dont understand what it is, and you cant deny that. You've demonstrated it time and time again).

But please, use common sense. Dont make a thread complaining about live costing money when:

a) you have no idea what live entails. Literally none. You talk of "being exposed to the service" but you clearly havent. You have literally no knowledge on the subject you're passing judgement on.

b) you dont want any of the features included in live (even though you dont know what they are). Like i said earlier, it's like bashing a ferrari for being expensive when all you want is a simple family car. There's nothing wrong with the ferrari at all; it's just not what you're after.

Thank you.

I may not know everything XBL has to offer, but I'm not entirally convinced that it's worth a dime to me at all. And I do have a problem with what I know about it.

mstc_Q

Allow me to summarise what you appear to know about it.

1) It costs money

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

I may not know everything XBL has to offer, but I'm not entirally convinced that it's worth a dime to me at all. And I do have a problem with what I know about it.

Ninja-Hippo

Allow me to summarise what you appear to know about it.

1) It costs money

2) I need it to play Halo 3 or any other game online.

3) Without it I can't play Halo 3 or any other game online.

4) Considering my apparent lack of exposure or interest in whatever other services it has to offer, that sucks.

So I bought Super Stardust for my PS3 because I liked the demo. I've played XBL's Geometry Wars before, and SSS is similar, but in my personal and humble opinion SSS is better (like both, I'm a bit of a dual stick shooter fan.)

Anyway, at the moment SSS is $10 for whatever reason, although I feel like the $8 they were apparently originally charging for it was a more fair price (Although after owning it, I think it was worth every penny.) I was shocked when I found out though that Geometry Wars was only $5 and my little jealousy senses started tingling.

Then I realized that Geometry Wars doesn't cost $5, it costs $55, or at least that's how much it would cost if it was the only XBL game you bought all year. The way I see it, PSN's online service for its multiplayer games is already free so when making the comparison this is what it comes down to. Now not every comparison is like this either, a lot of the XBL games cost just as much (Although they are a lot more numerous.) But assuming they were like Geometry Wars and that there was a PSN counterpart for every one, you'd have to buy upwards of 10 XBL games a year just to break even on the savings. I'm sure some people actually do this, but at the moment I only have 4 downloaded games between the two systems I have.

Paying $50 a year basically means 2 less games for me a year. I could say it means ONE less game, but I tend to shop around so I'm not paying full price for anything, and the last purchase I made was two games; Orange Box and Resident Evil (The gamecube remake) for exactly $50. I happen to like those two games, a lot.

$50 is also a week's worth of groceries for my wife and I at the moment. Now one week might not seem like a lot, and sure, we could cut back; but this is a matter of eating healthy too; we buy fruits and vegitable produce along with our staples.

$50 is about 2-3 weeks worth of gas at today's current prices. As we all know, travel is a necessity to a certain degree. I guess we could stop going to see family occasionally and just hole up in our appartment more though. I mean a year is a long time. A shame we're already walking as much as we can.

We don't go out to the movies very often, but $50 represents about 3 trips with some money leftover assuming we don't buy popcorn.

Now, I happen to like the 360, I don't own one (my in-laws do and I play with it when I'm over there), but if I did I probably would get XBL because, well, it's nice to be able to play your online games online. And I know that there are a lot of extra services for your buck too, like news and stuff...

But when it's free to play your online games online on PSN and on your PC, there is a lot I could do with that $50 I'd be losing every year.

mstc_Q

50 is also what I payed for Margarito vs Cotto Boxingmatch PPV yesterday. Its nothing to cry aboute...

2) I need it to play Halo 3 or any other game online.

3) Without it I can't play Halo 3 or any other game online.

mstc_Q

Why are you stating the obvious? :| EDIT: isn't 3 just 2, but worded differently? :lol: You're going to great lengths to prove all us folks wrong, saying you know nothing about Live, eh?

You need to be able to admit when you're wrong. It's a virtue. You keep going on about people throwing away money with xbox live, but it's so obvious you know nothing about it. If you owned a 360 and paid for xbox live and saw what it actually was, and actually knew a shred of info about it, you would not be making these arguements. You may very well want more for your money, as i do, but you wouldnt be on this tirade of poor arguements, all of which stem from not knowing anything about what you're passing judgement on.

Is PSN free? Yes. Is PSN as good as xbox live? No.

If you dont want to pay for that extra quality, dont get an xbox. Simple. Dont complain about it when you dont even pay for it, especially when you dont know anything about it.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

2) I need it to play Halo 3 or any other game online.

3) Without it I can't play Halo 3 or any other game online.

Ninja-Hippo

Why are you stating the obvious? :| EDIT: isn't 3 just 2, but worded differently? :lol: You're going to great lengths to prove all us folks wrong, saying you know nothing about Live, eh?

You need to be able to admit when you're wrong. It's a virtue. You keep going on about people throwing away money with xbox live, but it's so obvious you know nothing about it. If you owned a 360 and paid for xbox live and saw what it actually was, and actually knew a shred of info about it, you would not be making these arguements. You may very well want more for your money, as i do, but you wouldnt be on this tirade of poor arguements, all of which stem from not knowing anything about what you're passing judgement on.

Is PSN free? Yes. Is PSN as good as xbox live? No.

If you dont want to pay for that extra quality, dont get an xbox. Simple. Dont complain about it when you dont even pay for it, especially when you dont know anything about it.

But I'm not wrong when I say you shouldn't have to pay for the basic ability to play a game online when you don't have to pay to play that same game on other consoles.

I may be wrong about XBL not being worth it if you're interested in the other things, but I'm not.

And yes, my two points were the same thing said in two ways, but I've found that clarity is a necessity on these boards.

And what if I want an X-Box, but this is my biggest problem with it? And what if it's a deal breaker? Because guess what, it was.

But I'm not wrong when I say you shouldn't have to pay for the basic ability to play a game online when you don't have to pay to play that same game on other consoles.

I may be wrong about XBL not being worth it if you're interested in the other things, but I'm not.

And yes, my two points were the same thing said in two ways, but I've found that clarity is a necessity on these boards.

And what if I want an X-Box, but this is my biggest problem with it? And what if it's a deal breaker? Because guess what, it was.

mstc_Q

You are wrong. You just cant accept it.

Again you make this point of doing the same thing on other consoles; you arent. If xbox live was the same as PSN, you shouldnt have to pay. But it isnt. It's better than PSN, hence the price tag.

If you dont WANT a better service and would rather it be free, go with PSN. How many times must that be said?

For people who DO want the better service though, it costs money. Not a lot of money at all, but it costs money. Also, i refuse to believe that it was a deal breaker. Like i said, if $50 a year was too much money for you to afford, you wouldnt be buying a PS3 and wouldnt be gaming full stop.

Why not drop the impartial act and admit that this thread isnt just a gripe about xbox live but an excuse to bash the 360? Every problem you raise is met by me or another poster with a solution - yet you just go and find another problem.

Save me some time; will you just keep going round and round in circles bashing xbox live until everyone leaves, despite not knowing anything about it? Are you will to admit you were wrong, ever? Because if not, let me know. I'll leave now.

No, you can use a FREE month XBL card and then download every game you want. Honostly if $50 is going to break your bank then why game to begin with?AlphaGamer469

What? Dude, seriously you need to think about what you said. 50 bucks a year is expensive, and I think Microsoft should at least lower the price...a little. I mean, like if it was 25 bucks they would still make money because of more subscribers! Actually if it was 10 bucks the rate would go through the roof.

[QUOTE="AlphaGamer469"] No, you can use a FREE month XBL card and then download every game you want. Honostly if $50 is going to break your bank then why game to begin with?kokomos

What? Dude, seriously you need to think about what you said. 50 bucks a year is expensive, and I think Microsoft should at least lower the price...a little. I mean, like if it was 25 bucks they would still make money because of more subscribers! Actually if it was 10 bucks the rate would go through the roof.

$50 is only expensive if your parents fund your gaming, if you ask me.

You are wrong. You just cant accept it.

Again you make this point of doing the same thing on other consoles; you arent. If xbox live was the same as PSN, you shouldnt have to pay. But it isnt. It's better than PSN, hence the price tag.

If you dont WANT a better service and would rather it be free, go with PSN. How many times must that be said?

For people who DO want the better service though, it costs money. Not a lot of money at all, but it costs money. Also, i refuse to believe that it was a deal breaker. Like i said, if $50 a year was too much money for you to afford, you wouldnt be buying a PS3 and wouldnt be gaming full stop.

Why not drop the impartial act and admit that this thread isnt just a gripe about xbox live but an excuse to bash the 360? Every problem you raise is met by me or another poster with a solution - yet you just go and find another problem.

Save me some time; will you just keep going round and round in circles bashing xbox live until everyone leaves, despite not knowing anything about it? Are you will to admit you were wrong, ever? Because if not, let me know. I'll leave now.

Ninja-Hippo

If all I want is to be able to play X-Box games online, then how am I wrong?

How is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of?

Shouldn't the 360 offer for free at least what the PS3 offers for free?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

You are wrong. You just cant accept it.

Again you make this point of doing the same thing on other consoles; you arent. If xbox live was the same as PSN, you shouldnt have to pay. But it isnt. It's better than PSN, hence the price tag.

If you dont WANT a better service and would rather it be free, go with PSN. How many times must that be said?

For people who DO want the better service though, it costs money. Not a lot of money at all, but it costs money. Also, i refuse to believe that it was a deal breaker. Like i said, if $50 a year was too much money for you to afford, you wouldnt be buying a PS3 and wouldnt be gaming full stop.

Why not drop the impartial act and admit that this thread isnt just a gripe about xbox live but an excuse to bash the 360? Every problem you raise is met by me or another poster with a solution - yet you just go and find another problem.

Save me some time; will you just keep going round and round in circles bashing xbox live until everyone leaves, despite not knowing anything about it? Are you will to admit you were wrong, ever? Because if not, let me know. I'll leave now.

mstc_Q

If all I want is to be able to play X-Box games online, then how am I wrong?

How is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of?

Shouldn't the 360 offer at least what the PS3 offers for free, for free?

he's repeatedly told you that the 360 isn't offering what the ps3 is offering, its offering something better henceforth the reasoning behind the cost.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

You are wrong. You just cant accept it.

Again you make this point of doing the same thing on other consoles; you arent. If xbox live was the same as PSN, you shouldnt have to pay. But it isnt. It's better than PSN, hence the price tag.

If you dont WANT a better service and would rather it be free, go with PSN. How many times must that be said?

For people who DO want the better service though, it costs money. Not a lot of money at all, but it costs money. Also, i refuse to believe that it was a deal breaker. Like i said, if $50 a year was too much money for you to afford, you wouldnt be buying a PS3 and wouldnt be gaming full stop.

Why not drop the impartial act and admit that this thread isnt just a gripe about xbox live but an excuse to bash the 360? Every problem you raise is met by me or another poster with a solution - yet you just go and find another problem.

Save me some time; will you just keep going round and round in circles bashing xbox live until everyone leaves, despite not knowing anything about it? Are you will to admit you were wrong, ever? Because if not, let me know. I'll leave now.

Microsoft1234

If all I want is to be able to play X-Box games online, then how am I wrong?

How is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of?

Shouldn't the 360 offer at least what the PS3 offers for free, for free?

he's repeatedly told you that the 360 isn't offering what the ps3 is offering, its offering something better henceforth the reasoning behind the cost.

But in all things that PSN does for you, how is the 360 better in those things?

If all I want is to be able to play X-Box games online, then how am I wrong?

How is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of?

Shouldn't the 360 offer for free at least what the PS3 offers for free?

mstc_Q

They could offer a bare-bones service for free, yes. :| And asking the question "how is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of" is about the billionth time in this thread that you've yelled from the rooftops "I DONT HAVE XBOX LIVE!"

Will you ever stop?

But in all things that PSN does for you, how is the 360 better in those things?

mstc_Q

Rent a 360, get a free month xbox live card, see for yourself. It's just better. Simple as that. And i own both. And let's not forget again; i made a thread AGAINST having to pay for xbox live.

Surely by virtue of the fact that i'm telling you you're wrong should hint to you that maybe you got a few things wrong with this thread?

They could offer a bare-bones service for free, yes. :| And asking the question "how is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of" is about the billionth time in this thread that you've yelled from the rooftops "I DONT HAVE XBOX LIVE!"

Will you ever stop?

Ninja-Hippo

They could, and they should.

But seriously dude, if I don't know what the difference is, simply calling me wrong over and over isn't going to change my opinion.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"]

But in all things that PSN does for you, how is the 360 better in those things?

Ninja-Hippo

Rent a 360, get a free month xbox live card, see for yourself. It's just better. Simple as that. And i own both. And let's not forget again; i made a thread AGAINST having to pay for xbox live.

Surely by virtue of the fact that i'm telling you you're wrong should hint to you that maybe you got a few things wrong with this thread?

Why would I need to rent the 360 when my In-laws have one, and I go over there every week?

And now you're just not making sense...

[QUOTE="Microsoft1234"][QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

You are wrong. You just cant accept it.

Again you make this point of doing the same thing on other consoles; you arent. If xbox live was the same as PSN, you shouldnt have to pay. But it isnt. It's better than PSN, hence the price tag.

If you dont WANT a better service and would rather it be free, go with PSN. How many times must that be said?

For people who DO want the better service though, it costs money. Not a lot of money at all, but it costs money. Also, i refuse to believe that it was a deal breaker. Like i said, if $50 a year was too much money for you to afford, you wouldnt be buying a PS3 and wouldnt be gaming full stop.

Why not drop the impartial act and admit that this thread isnt just a gripe about xbox live but an excuse to bash the 360? Every problem you raise is met by me or another poster with a solution - yet you just go and find another problem.

Save me some time; will you just keep going round and round in circles bashing xbox live until everyone leaves, despite not knowing anything about it? Are you will to admit you were wrong, ever? Because if not, let me know. I'll leave now.

mstc_Q

If all I want is to be able to play X-Box games online, then how am I wrong?

How is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of?

Shouldn't the 360 offer at least what the PS3 offers for free, for free?

he's repeatedly told you that the 360 isn't offering what the ps3 is offering, its offering something better henceforth the reasoning behind the cost.

But in all things that PSN does for you, how is the 360 better in those things?

to start off private chat, video chat, in the future xbox live party.............its simple look at phone companies-why does verizon cost more than such and such? because of the features thats how it works, why does some peoples' internet cost more than others? thats exactly what people have been trying to tell u in the whole thread, and in addition ive actually played on psn, its ridiculous i played team fortress about 3 people out of 12 had no mics and i had to press a button (probably not true for all games) but ive heard from alot of people that the "no mic" thing is frequent on PSN

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

They could offer a bare-bones service for free, yes. :| And asking the question "how is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of" is about the billionth time in this thread that you've yelled from the rooftops "I DONT HAVE XBOX LIVE!"

Will you ever stop?

mstc_Q

They could, and they should.

But seriously dude, if I don't know what the difference is, simply calling me wrong over and over isn't going to change my opinion.

You are not entitled to an opinion. I know you think this is the internets where we can all have a say, but seriously, no. You are not allowed to have an opinion on something you know nothing about. You cannot tell people xbox live isnt worth the money or is like throwing money in the street when you know nothing about it.

Seriously. Continuing this any further is just damaging any credibility you'll have in the future.

[QUOTE="mstc_Q"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

They could offer a bare-bones service for free, yes. :| And asking the question "how is XBL better than PS3 in all things that both are capable of" is about the billionth time in this thread that you've yelled from the rooftops "I DONT HAVE XBOX LIVE!"

Will you ever stop?

Ninja-Hippo

They could, and they should.

But seriously dude, if I don't know what the difference is, simply calling me wrong over and over isn't going to change my opinion.

You are not entitled to an opinion. I know you think this is the internets where we can all have a say, but seriously, no. You are not allowed to have an opinion on something you know nothing about. You cannot tell people xbox live isnt worth the money or is like throwing money in the street when you know nothing about it.

Seriously. Continuing this any further is just damaging any credibility you'll have in the future.

You're proving that you don't comprehend what you're reading.