My Take on GTA4

Overall I thought the game was great one of the better games we have gotten this generation. But I do not feel it deserved a 10.0 I believe it deserved a 9.5 on game spot high 9s on other sites.

Positives +

Graphics

Gameplay

Engine

New Activities

Multiplayer

New Cover system

Negatives -

Car Customization I really liked that

Lack of Clothes Combinations

I mean you already took a big RPG route with the secondary activities (relationships) and clothes to begin with why make it half a**?

Planes I thought it was a big part of the GTA Universe being able to fly 30,000 feet in the air and jump out while free falling has always been a tremendous activity.

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Besides that I thought the game was great with just a few downsides hopefully in the future they will add the things they took out.

Skydiving was only in one game.heretrix

yes and it was a great thing to add why take it out?

I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funweb966

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

GTA4 does not deserve more than a 7.5 considering the ratings of many other games.Andrew_Xavier

You think every single other reviewer is completely wrong and you are right?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]GTA4 does not deserve more than a 7.5 considering the ratings of many other games.mmogoon

You think every single other reviewer is completely wrong and you are right?

Pretty much. You think film reviewers are always right? I'm guessing you only like pure blockbuster popcorn flicks and art house films that make no sense (never the good art house films, they hate those.)

I give it an 8.5, it was an awesome game but I had to much of a been there done that feeling.xTHExJUICEx

same i thought they'd have all the old features plus new not put new ones in take old ones out.

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funAndrew_Xavier

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 doesnt equal perfect. No game is perfect, but it deserves the highest score possible for all the things it does amazingly well. It has some problems, but they are so small that it doesnt really matter.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funweb966

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 doesnt equal perfect. No game is perfect, but it deserves the highest score possible for all the things it does amazingly well. It has some problems, but they are so small that it doesnt really matter.

According to gamespot's own ranking system, 10 = "perfect". They literally use the term "perfect".

[QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funAndrew_Xavier

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 doesnt equal perfect. No game is perfect, but it deserves the highest score possible for all the things it does amazingly well. It has some problems, but they are so small that it doesnt really matter.

According to gamespot's own ranking system, 10 = "perfect". They literally use the term "perfect".

That was the old system, it now means prime.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funweb966

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 doesnt equal perfect. No game is perfect, but it deserves the highest score possible for all the things it does amazingly well. It has some problems, but they are so small that it doesnt really matter.

According to gamespot's own ranking system, 10 = "perfect". They literally use the term "perfect".

That was the old system, it now means prime.

Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime".

Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Andrew_Xavier

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

http://www.gamespot.com/misc/reviewguidelines.html

I think it does alot of things very well, and should of gotten a 10.

Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Andrew_Xavier

Well looking it up, it said:

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.Gamespot

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funAndrew_Xavier

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

A 10/10 on GameSpot is considered "Prime" because, as everyone knows, there's no such thing as a perfect game.

A 10 is given to those games that are as close to perfect as a game can hope to be in the time of its release and in that respect, I agree with the act of giving a game a 10.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". web966

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Andrew_Xavier

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

The cover system works fine. There could have been some improvements, but they wouldnt have been "meaningful"

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". web966

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

The cover system works fine. There could have been some improvements, but they wouldnt have been "meaningful"

yeah i mean theres some things to be fixed, like u cant pop up w/o shooting, u can only pop out of cover by holding fire which sucks but the cover otherwise works awesome

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Andrew_Xavier

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

Andrew_Xavier

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

Yeah, and last I checked, player reviews weren't indicative of the scores actually doled out by GameSpot's editorial staff.

Maybe GameSpot didn't think about updating the player review system once they overhauled their review system. Maybe they just didn't care. Either way, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

I think i would give it a 9-9.5 rating because oh some bugs and graphics. And on MP, why isnt there CTF!

Anyways, It has a very good online hosting system, so i would raise that like a whole 2 rating. Think about it, all those graphics and people. The lag is very lol. thank god XD!

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

Yeah, and last I checked, player reviews weren't indicative of the scores actually doled out by GameSpot's editorial staff.

Maybe GameSpot didn't think about updating the player review system once they overhauled their review system. Maybe they just didn't care. Either way, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

Grasping for nothing, it quite literally says "perfect", if it's "prime", than GTA IV still isn't that. It is flaws, many flaws, if it's a "10", then many many other games need to be "10"s too. 10 should be reserved to a true system selling (which it has proven to not be), app that revolutionizes the genre (it doesn't), that is untouchable by all other released games (it isn't), that is so beyond incredible that people have to own it (they don't), and no one could possibly dislike it (many do).

I think i would give it a 9-9.5 rating because oh some bugs and graphics. And on MP, why isnt there CTF!

Anyways, It has a very good online hosting system, so i would raise that like a whole 2 rating. Think about it, all those graphics and people. The lag is very lol. thank god XD!

RuffRyder120

i honestly despite gta 4 is plain awesome and all, hearing all the praise about the MP, I thought it wasnt superb nor great. I mean its good but not great. I got bored of the GTA 4's MP real quickly but that's just me. However a ctf would be pretty insane on gta 4.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

Andrew_Xavier

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

Yeah, and last I checked, player reviews weren't indicative of the scores actually doled out by GameSpot's editorial staff.

Maybe GameSpot didn't think about updating the player review system once they overhauled their review system. Maybe they just didn't care. Either way, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

Grasping for nothing, it quite literally says "perfect", if it's "prime", than GTA IV still isn't that. It is flaws, many flaws, if it's a "10", then many many other games need to be "10"s too. 10 should be reserved to a true system selling (which it has proven to not be), app that revolutionizes the genre (it doesn't), that is untouchable by all other released games (it isn't), that is so beyond incredible that people have to own it (they don't), and no one could possibly dislike it (many do).

Well since you think that, take a look at this. It's a picture of the link I gave you earlier.

What does it say by the 10.0 rating? Hmm...looks like the word "Prime" to me.

But that really doesn't matter. Everything you said is all your opinion of what you think a game that receives a 10 should be, which clearly differs from that of the many reviewers that gave this game a 10. It is not a fact. Justin Calvert, the Senior Editor at GameSpot who reviewed the game, even said near the end of the GS video review that the game isn't perfect. Don't believe me? go watch it for yourself.

Bottom line, the game isn't perfect and no one said it is but to say it isn't worthy of the score it received is just your opinion. It doesn't make it any better than anyone else's.

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

Andrew_Xavier

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

Yeah, and last I checked, player reviews weren't indicative of the scores actually doled out by GameSpot's editorial staff.

Maybe GameSpot didn't think about updating the player review system once they overhauled their review system. Maybe they just didn't care. Either way, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

Grasping for nothing, it quite literally says "perfect", if it's "prime", than GTA IV still isn't that. It is flaws, many flaws, if it's a "10", then many many other games need to be "10"s too. 10 should be reserved to a true system selling (which it has proven to not be), app that revolutionizes the genre (it doesn't), that is untouchable by all other released games (it isn't), that is so beyond incredible that people have to own it (they don't), and no one could possibly dislike it (many do).

there are many reasons why gta 4 deserves a 10, not that its perfect but gta 4 has so many new things I haven't played in a game at all, I haven't played a game that you can actually surf on a crappy built in internet, or actually watching tv in a game? Nor I havent played a game that had bowling, darts, dating, gun fights, fist fights, car fight chases all in one whole game. I think that is pretty revolutionary if you ask me but your opinion is your opinion, if you dont like gta 4 i respect that.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Dude, seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about. It doesn't say that anywhere in GS's review of GTA IV. :|

If you go to this link, it clearly states that a 10/10 stands for Prime.

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/grandtheftauto4/players.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsreaderreviews&tag=readerreviews;alluser

See, perfect.

Yeah, and last I checked, player reviews weren't indicative of the scores actually doled out by GameSpot's editorial staff.

Maybe GameSpot didn't think about updating the player review system once they overhauled their review system. Maybe they just didn't care. Either way, you're just grasping for straws at this point.

Grasping for nothing, it quite literally says "perfect", if it's "prime", than GTA IV still isn't that. It is flaws, many flaws, if it's a "10", then many many other games need to be "10"s too. 10 should be reserved to a true system selling (which it has proven to not be), app that revolutionizes the genre (it doesn't), that is untouchable by all other released games (it isn't), that is so beyond incredible that people have to own it (they don't), and no one could possibly dislike it (many do).

Well since you think that, take a look at this. It's a picture of the link I gave you earlier.

What does it say by the 10.0 rating? Hmm...looks like the word "Prime" to me.

But that really doesn't matter. Everything you said is all your opinion of what you think a game that receives a 10 should be, which clearly differs from that of the many reviewers that gave this game a 10. It is not a fact. Justin Calvert, the Senior Editor at GameSpot who reviewed the game, even said near the end of the GS video review that the game isn't perfect. Don't believe me? go watch it for yourself.

Bottom line, the game isn't perfect and no one said it is but to say it isn't worthy of the score it received is just your opinion. It doesn't make it any better than anyone else's.

"This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release."

There's that word again, "perfect". That grasping too :cry:?

If the game isn't AS PERFECT AS A GAME CAN ASPIRE TO BE AT IT'S TIME OF RELEASE, then how did it get a score indicitive of a game that is "AS PERFECT AS A GAME CAN ASPIRE TO BE AT IT'S TIME OF RELEASE"?

there are many reasons why gta 4 deserves a 10, not that its perfect but gta 4 has so many new things I haven't played in a game at all, I haven't played a game that you can actually surf on a crappy built in internet, or actually watching tv in a game? Nor I havent played a game that had bowling, darts, dating, gun fights, fist fights, car fight chases all in one whole game. I think that is pretty revolutionary if you ask me but your opinion is your opinion, if you dont like gta 4 i respect that.

00chaos8

TV and internet were both in Vampire: The Masquerade Redemption, internet has been in many games...hell there was tv in Postal 2...

Bowling has been in other games,
dating, gun fights, car fight, etc etc was in previous GTA games, as well as Scarface, etc,
GTA IV revolutionized nothing...GTA 3 however, is a different story :)

[QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Andrew_Xavier

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

Question. How much sleep have you lost since GTAIV earned its score?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Verge_6

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

Question. How much sleep have you lost since GTAIV earned its score?

None, it's pretty inconsequential, but, it's still not a perfect game.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Skydiving was only in one game.Nolan16

yes and it was a great thing to add why take it out?

I totally agree... I just don't get the justification for taking it out. It would have been incredible in GTAIV... it makes no sense for them not to add it.

9 or 9.5 out of 10 for me to.

Great game, best in the series by far, but not perfect by any means.

[QUOTE="heretrix"]Skydiving was only in one game.Nolan16

yes and it was a great thing to add why take it out?

Also, it could be because last time I checked, people don't skydive over Manhattan or any of the other 5 boroughs.Trust me, I live in New York City and it's not a big skydiving town..It might have to do with all of the SKYSCRAPERS.

It wasn't in the original Liberty City and it doesn't fit in this one.. They've already said that they wanted to scale things back and add more detail, which I think was a good decision.And I LOVED the skydiving in SA BTW.

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funAndrew_Xavier

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 = a perfect score not a perfect game. THere are still people who can not understand this? Have you read any of the reviews that gave the game a perfect score? Or, do you just look at the score, your mind running in circles trying to understand that 10 is a perfect score not a perfect game.

If you could only give a 10 to a perfect game that would make a 9.5 a perfect score. Because no game will ever be perfect.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="web966"]

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]Except, if you literally look it up, now, like right now, this second, it says "perfect", not "prime". Verge_6

10.0: Prime This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way.

10 perfect

I literally JUST copied and pasted that from a GTA IV review on gamespot.com.

Are you saying that GTA IV could not have been improved upon? Like the broken cover system? Nothing?

Question. How much sleep have you lost since GTAIV earned its score?

The cover system is far from broken. I use it all the time in MP and SP.

9.5 IMOthegoldenpoo

thats what i felt.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funCoyo7e

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

10 = a perfect score not a perfect game. THere are still people who can not understand this? Have you read any of the reviews that gave the game a perfect score? Or, do you just look at the score, your mind running in circles trying to understand that 10 is a perfect score not a perfect game.

If you could only give a 10 to a perfect game that would make a 9.5 a perfect score. Because no game will ever be perfect.

I have said a lot of things were "perfect". Did I mean it was flawless? NO. What I meant was, "For this, I am fully satisfied at the moment, with no serious complaints." Others may not agree with my assessment, but to me, it's thoughly satisfying.

In a .5 ratings system (GS) a decision was made if it was to be over or under 9.5 they felt it was over therefore the only score above 9.5 is a 10. Not a perfect 10, But a 10.

I wish people would get over it and stop all of the crying about it.

Andrew_Xavier is grasping for straws.... Every game has some room for improvement, no matter what, they are referring to something more than making the cover system less sticky or something to that extent. Also notice it says "perfect as" it doesn't say, "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is perfect." rolo107

It says "As perfect as a game could hope to be at the time of it's release", not "Sorta kinda perfectish, with lots of problems".

I would have given the game a 7-7.5 either way.

[QUOTE="web966"]I would give GTAIV a 10. Its so much funAndrew_Xavier

What elements of the game make it perfect? Does it have any bugs? At all? Are the graphics greater than any game you've ever played? Is it the most revolutionary game of all time?

Ask yourself these questions, if you answered "no" to any, it isn't a 10/10.

What a completely laughable standard for a 10/10. In this case, no game in the history of the industry deserves a 10. OoT, Half-Life, Doom, Soul Calibur and any game you can think of: they all either had various problems, most of what they did had already been done, or both. And none of them are "the most revolutionary game of all-time", not even Doom.

It goes back to what I've been saying all along: people are holding GTAIV to a standard that they don't and have never held for any other game - they have expectations from it that don't and can't possibly apply to any other game. And the proof is that it does so many things so well that someone brings up one slight flaw and tries to argue that it's no longer a 10 because of it.

Like the cover system. GTAIV adds a cover system to the sandbox genre, and it's a more advanced cover system than we've ever seen in any game since you can take cover behind any object in the game world, even dynamic ones. That's innovative, by the way, for those crying that GTAIV does nothing new.

And yet people will complain about some slight glitches in the cover system that would only arrise naturally since you can take cover behind anything, even objects like mailboxes that have been moved/destroyed/dented, etc... it's tough to program all the different permutations when it's so dynamic, and glitches here and there should be understandable to anyone who can actually process a thought.

That's just one out of the countless examples of GTAIV nit-picking. There are far too many ("there are no parachutes and you can't dress Niko in a pimp suit, it's not a 10"). The reaction to GTAIV, in effect, proves that this is the most bottom-of-the-barrel generation of gamers in history.

[QUOTE="rolo107"]Andrew_Xavier is grasping for straws.... Every game has some room for improvement, no matter what, they are referring to something more than making the cover system less sticky or something to that extent. Also notice it says "perfect as" it doesn't say, "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is perfect." Andrew_Xavier

It says "As perfect as a game could hope to be at the time of it's release", not "Sorta kinda perfectish, with lots of problems".

I would have given the game a 7-7.5 either way.

I don't like Super Mario Galaxy or SSBM and will probably never play them, But I would never ever play myself and deny their quality. Stop being a hater.