Myth: Nintendo is "kiddy"

Yeah, but these are the same people that call Ico kiddy so there opinion is invalid

[QUOTE="dotWithShoes"][QUOTE="hd5870corei7"]

I despise almost anything nintendo related. Definitely not something I'd like other people to know I'm playing/own/have.

hd5870corei7

Yea that's a myth...

1. Wii-Sports
2. Wii-Play
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Wii-Fit
5. Wii Sports Resort
6. New Super Mario Bro Wii
7. Wii Fit Plus
8. Super Smash Bro Brawl
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
11. Mario Party 8
12. LOZ: TP
13. Link's Crossbow Training
14. GH 3
15. Just Dance
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Animal Crossing
18. Carnival Games
19. Lego Star Wars
20. Big Brain Academy
21. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
22. GH
23. EA sports active
24. Super Paper Mario
25. Wii-Music
26. Wario Ware

note:RE was 34 followed by other games aimed at "mature audiences", all of those games are under 2m for a console that has over 74m sold. Mad World sold 500k, Conduit 430k, Dead Space 280k.

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

People who base their gaming tastes on what others might think of them show how immature they really are.

The only time I felt insecure while playing video game was with God of War, because the over-the-top focus on violence and sex gave me the feeling the developers did not take me seriously at all.

Yea that's a myth...

1. Wii-Sports
2. Wii-Play
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Wii-Fit
5. Wii Sports Resort
6. New Super Mario Bro Wii
7. Wii Fit Plus
8. Super Smash Bro Brawl
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
11. Mario Party 8
12. LOZ: TP
13. Link's Crossbow Training
14. GH 3
15. Just Dance
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Animal Crossing
18. Carnival Games
19. Lego Star Wars
20. Big Brain Academy
21. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
22. GH
23. EA sports active
24. Super Paper Mario
25. Wii-Music
26. Wario Ware

note:RE was 34 followed by other games aimed at "mature audiences", all of those games are under 2m for a console that has over 74m sold. Mad World sold 500k, Conduit 430k, Dead Space 280k.

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

FragTycoon

This is a really bad judement though. Its simply a reality that first of all, half those games are nintendo games from the most popular franchises ever and second, the marketing for every title on that list was pretty huge in comparison to the titles you listed. I believe the Wii isn't a core system for obvious reasons but its not that way because of the people, they can only buy what is given to them. It's 4 years later and there is still not 1 triple a budget third party game on the Wii bar maybe Monster Hunter 3. How do you sell 74 million units and manage that?

Yea that's a myth...

1. Wii-Sports
2. Wii-Play
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Wii-Fit
5. Wii Sports Resort
6. New Super Mario Bro Wii
7. Wii Fit Plus
8. Super Smash Bro Brawl
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
11. Mario Party 8
12. LOZ: TP
13. Link's Crossbow Training
14. GH 3
15. Just Dance
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Animal Crossing
18. Carnival Games
19. Lego Star Wars
20. Big Brain Academy
21. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
22. GH
23. EA sports active
24. Super Paper Mario
25. Wii-Music
26. Wario Ware

note:RE was 34 followed by other games aimed at "mature audiences", all of those games are under 2m for a console that has over 74m sold. Mad World sold 500k, Conduit 430k, Dead Space 280k.

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

FragTycoon

LOL Madworld being Mature.

Not that it really matters but how is Twilight Princess a "kiddy" game?

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Yea that's a myth...

1. Wii-Sports
2. Wii-Play
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Wii-Fit
5. Wii Sports Resort
6. New Super Mario Bro Wii
7. Wii Fit Plus
8. Super Smash Bro Brawl
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
11. Mario Party 8
12. LOZ: TP
13. Link's Crossbow Training
14. GH 3
15. Just Dance
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Animal Crossing
18. Carnival Games
19. Lego Star Wars
20. Big Brain Academy
21. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
22. GH
23. EA sports active
24. Super Paper Mario
25. Wii-Music
26. Wario Ware

note:RE was 34 followed by other games aimed at "mature audiences", all of those games are under 2m for a console that has over 74m sold. Mad World sold 500k, Conduit 430k, Dead Space 280k.

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

bobcheeseball

LOL Madworld being Mature.

Not that it really matters but how is Twilight Princess a "kiddy" game?

The vast majority of that list isn't kiddy at all. People don't even know what kiddy even entails.

My motto: Just because a game is rated 'E' doesn't mean only kids can play it. The game isn't rated 'K' for kids, its rated 'E' for everyone.

Crumblet

No myth. Most Nintendo games are aimed at teh kiddies. Does that mean theyre bad or that adults cant play them? Not at all.

Shirokishi_

Their first party games are definitely somewhat kiddie. Anyone denying that is very naive.

Puckhog04

Good god, who cares?

Quality should be the only thing you worry about, not the the number on the side of the box.

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Yea that's a myth...

1. Wii-Sports
2. Wii-Play
3. Mario Kart Wii
4. Wii-Fit
5. Wii Sports Resort
6. New Super Mario Bro Wii
7. Wii Fit Plus
8. Super Smash Bro Brawl
9. Super Mario Galaxy
10. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games
11. Mario Party 8
12. LOZ: TP
13. Link's Crossbow Training
14. GH 3
15. Just Dance
16. Super Mario Galaxy 2
17. Animal Crossing
18. Carnival Games
19. Lego Star Wars
20. Big Brain Academy
21. Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Winter Games
22. GH
23. EA sports active
24. Super Paper Mario
25. Wii-Music
26. Wario Ware

note:RE was 34 followed by other games aimed at "mature audiences", all of those games are under 2m for a console that has over 74m sold. Mad World sold 500k, Conduit 430k, Dead Space 280k.

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

ActicEdge

LOL Madworld being Mature.

Not that it really matters but how is Twilight Princess a "kiddy" game?

The vast majority of that list isn't kiddy at all. People don't even know what kiddy even entails.

Picking 2-3 games that you think is not kiddy out of 20+ games..... way to prove your point............ ormine *shrug* :P

oh and I never called Mad World Mature, Wii fans did... Want me to find the thread?

Just so the question doesn't get ignored this time,

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="bobcheeseball"]

LOL Madworld being Mature.

Not that it really matters but how is Twilight Princess a "kiddy" game?

FragTycoon

The vast majority of that list isn't kiddy at all. People don't even know what kiddy even entails.

Picking 2-3 games that you think is not kiddy out of 20+ games..... way to prove your point............ ormine *shrug* :P

oh and I never called Mad World Mature, Wii fans did... Want me to find the thread?

Just so the question doesn't get ignored this time,

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

I agree its very casual, not bad but casuals atleast in main stream terms (though frankly so are the other systems, just not the casual you speak of). Also, are you speaking of me? I never mentioned any games :|List wars are childish, I don't need to make a list to make a point. But yes, upon you saying it again I misread and I agree with you (to some extent atleast)

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

FragTycoon

1. Not only is it something they don't like, but it's popular

2. It's popularity is causing many of their "hardcore" devs to follow suit

3. Their "hardcore" games are becoming casualized.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

Wii is a casual gaming console, the real question is why it bothers some so much?

windsquid9000

1. Not only is it something they don't like, but it's popular

2. It's popularity is causing many of their "hardcore" devs to follow suit

3. Their "hardcore" games are becoming casualized.

Since their hardcore games aren't on the wii and are by devs who don't touch the wii, that probably isn't a reason (or its a crappy one)

I play games and not Ratings on the case of a game. If the gameplay is good then why do i care ifs got a rating of E for everyone or M for Mature when im having fun. Im old and wise enough not to care what people think.

See it like this. Which game has more indepth gameplay between Gears of War 2 (18 rating) and Monster Hunter Tri (12 rating) ?! If you come up with the answer Gears of War 2 then your wrong, Buh buh buh it has 18 rating... Of cause it does because it has people being melted with Worm fluid, being decapited, loads swearing, Shooting, Blood (Great game BTW) to make it that rating but the gameplay isnt as indepth as Monster Hunter Tri by miles even though its only rated at 12. So should i only play gears because its bloody gruesome for gameplay or a game which is only rated 12?!

Hmmmm.... I got into gaming for fun and as long as im having fun then why should i care what immature people who only think about the rating of a game.

PS: how can a console be casual ?! Isnt it the gamer who is casual.

They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.enterawesome

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.windsquid9000

heavy rain is on the same level as wii sports

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.windsquid9000

Now I call that blasphemy! Use the argument that Nintendo games don't have stories with depth when in comparison to something like Pixar sure, but gaming is more than just quality narrative.

Nintendo games do have high quality design on numerous areas, some of those tie with gameplay. I don't see how complicated gameplay is a sign of well executed and thoughtful/genius game design. You may not like the company and their games, sure, but to deny this, well... I just don't see how I can agree with it.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.windsquid9000

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.enterawesome

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.enterawesome

[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="windsquid9000"]Blasphemy! If they were, I'd actually like them a lot more. They're a step up from "Playhouse Disney" kiddy with simple gameplay that appeals to no specific age group.

windsquid9000

Simple gameplay? :lol: Play Fire Emblem, Eartbound, or F-Zero GX and say that agin.enterawesome

Let's not mix simple gameplay with difficulty though. I can actually agree with his point--by design Nintendo games are simple. Why should that be seen as a negative thing though is beyond me. What is impressive is use of simple gameplay design while making it extremely effective.

I hate quoting people, but I agree with it, so:

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."--Albert Einstein.

F-Zero GX is very simple in nature and has very little complexity, yet its simple design still led to it being one of my favorite futuristic racers of all time--with just the right amount of challenge and variety in it. Fire Emblem and Earthbound I can kind of see where you're coming from, but there's still lots of games out there with much more complexity to them.

All of that said, I still have to disagree with windsquied9000.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]Simple gameplay? :lol: Play Fire Emblem, Eartbound, or F-Zero GX and say that agin.StealthSting

Let's not mix simple gameplay with difficulty though. I can actually agree with his point--by design Nintendo games are simple. Why should that be seen as a negative thing though is beyond me. What is impressive is use of simple gameplay design while making it extremely effective.

I hate quoting people, but I agree with it, so:

"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger and more complex... It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction."--Albert Einstein.

F-Zero GX is very simple in nature and has very little complexity, yet its simple design still led to it being one of my favorite futuristic racers of all time--with just the right amount of challenge and variety in it. Fire Emblem and Earthbound I can kind of see where you're coming from, but there's still lots of games out there with much more complexity to them.

All of that said, I still have to disagree with windsquied9000.

[QUOTE="enterawesome"]They're kiddy in a Pixar kind of way. They aren't intimdating on the exterior, and they're charming and colorful, but full of depth and fun. Anyone who refuses to play Nintendo because it's kiddy needs to stop being so insecure about their manhood or stop playing games.windsquid9000

Nowhere in that post did I say simplicity was bad (or anything about their games for that matter). If anything that was a compliment.

windsquid9000

I realise that, but you pretty much just stapled Nintendo games quality to the level of "Playhouse Disney" and you disagreed with enterawesome's post regarding something like depth. I argued for simplicity, but simplicity doesn't necessarily exclude depth--pretty much Pixar right there.

I'd argue that the quality in design in Nintendo's games and the company's talent could hardly be equated to the level of Playhouse Disney; hell I'd argue that the company's talent is much more substantial than that, reaching the quality staple of, like enterawesome pointed out, Pixar.

Of course you have your opinion about Nintendo's games, but to deny a quality that is clearly seen in them is missing the point.

Edited: Actually disregard my entire post, you only highlighted Kiddy, so were you only making an approach on the depth of the story or the games universe? If yes, I apologize because I may actually agree with what you're going on about. In fact, I talked about in my first responce to you.

If that is the case than sorry about that, I definitely acted like a usual fanboy and jumped the gun on you.

I remember last gen almost everyone saying that gamecube is for kids and bla bla bla. Those people missed out on some great mature games like Eternal Darkness. Releasing the GC in purple just wasn't the best of choices by Nintendo.

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

Nowhere in that post did I say simplicity was bad (or anything about their games for that matter). If anything that was a compliment.

StealthSting

I realise that, but you pretty much just stapled Nintendo games quality to the level of "Playhouse Disney" and you disagreed with enterawesome's post regarding something like depth. I argued for simplicity, but simplicity doesn't necessarily exclude depth--pretty much Pixar right there.

I'd argue that the quality in design in Nintendo's games and the company's talent could hardly be equated to the level of Playhouse Disney; hell I'd argue that the company's talent is much more substantial than that, reaching the quality staple of, like enterawesome pointed out, Pixar.

Of course you have your opinion about Nintendo's games, but to deny a quality that is clearly seen in them is missing the point.

Edited: Actually disregard my entire post, you only highlighted Kiddy, so were you only making an approach on the depth of the story or the games universe? If yes, I apologize because I may actually agree with what you're going on about. In fact, I talked about in my first responce to you.

If that is the case than sorry about that, I definitely acted like a usual fanboy and jumped the gun on you.

I hope you mean presentation wise because that's the only aspect that can be discussed if a core Nintendo game is "kiddy" or not.

Wii Music is definitely targeted for kids, in all aspects. That's a kids game. Super Mario Galaxy? or maybe even Pokemon? Far from "kiddy".

Nintendo is the only company who mastered the term gameplay in this gen because no other developer has kept the gameplay at a level that the core appreciates while at the same time mainstreaming it for the casuals.Yes Mario Kart Wii isn't perfect in this regard but that's just one game out of a huge list.

it isn't a myth. Nintendo IS kiddie.

apologies on system wars... now i've seen everything :P and if someone wants my opinion on it, read StealthSting's posts again.BrunoBRS

Ohh gawd you're right, I am going soft :cry:

... :P

most games nintendo makes are aimed at kids to teens. They believe that video games are for kids and thats the market their catering to. In fact they probably are right, games ARE meant for kids and they always have been that way for most of human existance. It is just sad how adults are now playing games meant for kids and complaining that Nintendo is "kiddy". That includes me as well :P

I don't think there is such a thing as a kiddy game, just like I don't believe one can call a game mature since those are two characteristics pertaining to humans and not software. Games either have Adult Content or they don't, and if they do they receive that M-label to warn costumers that only mature players should experience them.

The qualities of mature or kiddy are not inside the game, but in the gamer who is playing it, and playing M-rated games does not make one mature, just like playing E-rated software does not make one kiddy. Nintendo usually produces games free of Adult Content, the majority of other gaming companies don't.

Hahah Nintendo IS kiddy but it doesnt mean the games are bad, their fun to play and really bring out your inner child just mindless fun you used to enjoy.

It may be kiddie, but their games are some of the best in video game history that 99% of games will never come close to touching.

I don't think there is such a thing as a kiddy game, just like I don't believe one can call a game mature since those are two characteristics pertaining to humans and not software. Games either have Adult Content or they don't, and if they do they receive that M-label to warn costumers that only mature players should experience them.

The qualities of mature or kiddy are not inside the game, but in the gamer who is playing it, and playing M-rated games does not make one mature, just like playing E-rated software does not make one kiddy. Nintendo usually produces games free of Adult Content, the majority of other gaming companies don't.

Pierst179

When I say kiddy I mean a game that is targeted specifically for a crowd; Wii Music is kiddy in every way, the presentation and the simplistic gameplay.

You can target an age group just as you can for genres i.e. target audience. However this doesn't mean that an adult can't enjoy Wii Music, it just means that it's made for kids in mind.

As many have said, it's not a bad thing to be targeting kids, but it bothers me that many here don't know that Nintendo generally makes games for everyone, that's their mindset, and they are the best at it.

[QUOTE="Zanoh"]

[QUOTE="Crumblet"]

My motto: Just because a game is rated 'E' doesn't mean only kids can play it. The game isn't rated 'K' for kids, its rated 'E' for everyone.

marq4porsche

EC = Early Childhood = Kids.

Yeah, I think not. I have my evidence.

Edited: Actually disregard my entire post, you only highlighted Kiddy, so were you only making an approach on the depth of the story or the games universe? If yes, I apologize because I may actually agree with what you're going on about. In fact, I talked about in my first responce to you.

If that is the case than sorry about that, I definitely acted like a usual fanboy and jumped the gun on you.

StealthSting

A fire breathing dragon-turtle thing stole the princess and it's up to Mario to go on a fantastical adventure through utility-themed realms that exist for who knows what reason doing things like collecting sparkling stars, riding on a friendly green dinosaur, dressing up as a cloud, and soaring through space to get her back.

I don't know about you, but that doesn't sound much better than anything you'd see on Playhouse Disney; the step up being that there's nothing like this:

:P

[QUOTE="marq4porsche"]

Fail...

Zanoh

*pic*

Yeah, I think not. I have my evidence.

Doesn't make E for Everyone = Kids

Nintendo lays the groundwork for almost every popular genre. If you call them "kiddy", then you might be calling your favorite game, kiddy.