Myth that needs to be stomped on.

Well since i dont remember Caseys thread having this i figured i would have a thread about it. That is the whole complaing about "less collors"=bad.

1st of, Artstlye is not there to be colorful and make u happy, it sets the tone of the game if anything or atleast the tone of the environment you are in.

For example Halo had multiple colors. The ship, the library, the mission you had to put the index in the thing(you all know what im talking about) wasnt very coloful, it was very mechanical. Then there is the 2nd level of Halo, when you first land on Halo. It was meant to show a beautiful environment that nobody knows about and doesnt expect something dangerous out of. Halo doesnt have color for the sake of color, it has it to match the tone and environment. Halo 3 is colorful but i bet it will get metalic and a bit more darker toned as the game goes on.

Gears of War is my next example. Why is this game dark and grey. Because the World in Gears is a ruined mess. All there is, is war and fear of the locust. The skies are covered with nemsyst. The buildings and surroundings are destroyed. The last remaining soldiers are covered in metalic gear. I mean the soldiers would look pretty "flaming" if there gear was all a mix of blue, green, yellow, and pink or something. The few times Gear shows beauty is in the garden area and the sculptures. But the theme of Gears is basically the end of the world. So why be bright for a game like that. U need a darker tone to set the mood.

This applies to MGS 4 as well. Snake is dieing. The world is at war. THey are in the middle east(i mean there is going to be alot of sand) why be colorful for that.

now Ratchet and Mario Galaxy are colorful because the idea behind those games is a more cartoonish feel. Same with a game like Kameo.

rpgs like FF, Blue Dragon,Lost Odyssey, Eternal SOnota, etc are colorful to have fantasy worlds and all that stuff.


So stop complaining about dark toned games, because no form of artst.yle is wrong. THe artst.yle is only there to set the tone and theme of the game.

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

you dont have to like it but if a game has a darker artstyle it dosen mean its graphics suck.

What are you trying to teach us? this is old stuff we learned in 7th grade about early color theory?

Did we need to be graced by your thread telling us dark = bad and gloomy, and bright = cheerful? :lol:

You didnt even describe it in a profound way.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

RevenMan

you dont have to like it but if a game has a darker artstyle it dosen mean its graphics suck.

What are you trying to teach us? this is old stuff we learned in 7th grade about early color theory?

Did we need to be graced by your thread telling us dark = bad and gloomy, and bright = cheerful? :lol:

You didnt even describe it in a profound way.

PhoebusFlows

[QUOTE="RevenMan"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

you dont have to like it but if a game has a darker artstyle it dosen mean its graphics suck.

ur opinion=/= everyone esles's.

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

Who says there arent rainbows in the middle east.rzepak

3-Its better than 50 million PhoebusFlows Wii bashing threads. They get boring after awhile. jg4xchamp

"After awhile?"
That means they initially were interesting to you? Oh, you are too kind sir. I know I'm interesting, my psychotherapist tells me every day.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="RevenMan"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

killaj2786

you dont have to like it but if a game has a darker artstyle it dosen mean its graphics suck.

ur opinion=/= everyone esles's.

If you dont like the graphics then that is a reflection of taste.so its incorrect to say graphics suck in a technical stand point.

Doom 3 had amazing graphics but I hated the feel it gave me.so scary and ugly but so beautiful at same time in a technical way

Pretty good thread, I completely agree with you:)

graphics with art and design involved is certainly a matter of opinion but graphics from a standard technical aspect is not a matter of opinion but a matter of hardware and technology,

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]3-Its better than 50 million PhoebusFlows Wii bashing threads. They get boring after awhile. PhoebusFlows

"After awhile?"
That means they initially were interesting to you? Oh, you are too kind sir. I know I'm interesting, my psychotherapist tells me every day.

Pretty good thread, I completely agree with you:)

Uzumaki_Naruto5

If you dont like the graphics then that is a reflection of taste.so its incorrect to say graphics suck in a technical stand point.

Doom 3 had amazing graphics but I hated the feel it gave me.so scary and ugly but so beautiful at same time in a technical way

Great_Ragnarok

[QUOTE="killaj2786"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"][QUOTE="RevenMan"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

you dont have to like it but if a game has a darker artstyle it dosen mean its graphics suck.

ur opinion=/= everyone esles's.

[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

jg4xchamp

My point is graphics are subjective, and I see the seemingly standard "grayscale" graphics we're seeing these days as just a cop-out for actually making an artistically pleasing game. Thats not to say some games don't do a good job with the look (RE 4 and Gears both look spectacular IMO), its just for every game that does it right there seem to be 10 or 20 others that are just trying to follow the leader.

[QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

What are you trying to teach us? this is old stuff we learned in 7th grade about early color theory?

Did we need to be graced by your thread telling us dark = bad and gloomy, and bright = cheerful? :lol:

You didnt even describe it in a profound way.

jg4xchamp

PhoebusFlows makes a good point about your rant being basic stuff. That doesn't really need analysis.

Another thing if someone doesn't like a game because they don't particularly dig the tone of color in a game. That's perfectly fine. Like you said this is systems war and everyone is entitled totheir opinion. As long as you don't belittle other's. If you can't hate a game because of the tone of color then please tell me what reasons we can.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="PBSnipes"]

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

My point is graphics are subjective, and I see the seemingly standard "grayscale" graphics we're seeing these days as just a cop-out for actually making an artistically pleasing game. Thats not to say some games don't do a good job with the look (RE 4 and Gears both look spectacular IMO), its just for every game that does it right there seem to be 10 or 20 others that are just trying to follow the leader.

That is a terrible analogy to make.lol. sounds like you also dont know much about music as well. Artistic aspects and tone for a game while being the subject of opinion,it is very bias to say that art sld be this way and not the other. a very violent game such as gears of war has to maintain the tense theme through its looks. while whether you like it or not is opinion but however whther that is good graphics or bad graphics is not a matter of opinion. unless you are some retard who perfer gears of war charcters to be replaced by mario and liugi.lmao. While that would absolutely ruin the game it will be so funny.:D

what the hell are you talking about?

People have their own tastes in artstyle. The end. Some games with darker styled art pull it off nice, like MGS, some just look boring, grey, and cliche. The same can go for colorful games, particularly movie license games. Personally, I prefer more colorful games.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="PhoebusFlows"]

What are you trying to teach us? this is old stuff we learned in 7th grade about early color theory?

Did we need to be graced by your thread telling us dark = bad and gloomy, and bright = cheerful? :lol:

You didnt even describe it in a profound way.

4_Horsemen

PhoebusFlows makes a good point about your rant being basic stuff. That doesn't really need analysis.

Another thing if someone doesn't like a game because they don't particularly dig the tone of color in a game. That's perfectly fine. Like you said this is systems war and everyone is entitled totheir opinion. As long as you don't belittle other's. If you can't hate a game because of the tone of color then please tell me what reasons we can.

what the hell are you talking about?

People have their own tastes in artstyle. The end. Some games with darker styled art pull it off nice, like MGS, some just look boring, grey, and cliche. The same can go for colorful games, particularly movie license games. Personally, I prefer more colorful games.

justiceboy13

the point is ofcourse your opinion counts but graphics has to be judged fairly and see whether the theme suits the game.If it matches to suit the game and be technicaly impressive like gears of war then that is worth giving credit for. I dont like doom but I acknowlege the fact that the dark theme made it very scary.so eventhough I dont like it I know such a theme is perfect for a scary game.and so deserves full credit. IF it was set in out doors with beautihul trees etc like oblivion the game would've failed its target.Great_Ragnarok

Just because its part of the art style doesn't mean I have to like it.

PBSnipes

Then don't like it. But don't try to tell us it's not good.

Excellent post, I completely agree, but the only thing you didnt mention was killzonea nd its grey atmosphere.Deamon321