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#1 roadkill88
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http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

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Hmm will wait and see, i think we got another 2 years with the xbox 360... im sure there is still plenty to come and better looking games...Look at the ps2. When people thought that was it, it released better and better looking games. I dont think they will have maxed out yet. Again i wouldnt be suprised if this was PR speak to bull up how good Tekken looks.

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#3 Cherokee_Jack
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I don't know if I trust Namco to tell me what the 360 is capable of.
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#4 SolidTy
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I don't know if I trust Namco to tell me what the 360 is capable of.Cherokee_Jack
I trust Namco, but that doesn't mean good games can't come out anyways. I would like to know what they think of the PS3, since this has been brought up, maybe in a few days.
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Pish posh, what does Namco know about approaching?
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#6 Asim90
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Graphically Tekken 6 doesn't even look that great anyway. They should have just released this game a long time ago on the PS3 and taken their time on a 360 port. This game is taking far too long to launch and for Namco to complain about the 360's hardware for not being capable enough when it already looks sub par compared to other games is quite ridiculous. Disappointed Tekken fan.

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#7 spinecaton
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From what I have seen Tekken doesn't even look that great

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you need to see TEKKEN 6(br) in motion and hd before commenting about it the game looks really phenomenal in motion with alot of effects and I will say this now which ever version of tekken 6(br)(not so sure it will be ps3) which will look better will belong to the superior hardware, on every platform so far a tekken game was always at the top of the graphical scale(ps2,psp,gba)the tekken development team are the best developers and far above all else.
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#9 Bazfrag
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I find it hard to believe a 1 vs 1 beat em up pushes the 360 in the same way as say, Fallout.
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#10 SmokeyMcMuffin
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lol wut? tekken 6 doesnt look half as good as most 360 games
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#11 Tekkenloving
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I don't know if I trust Namco to tell me what the 360 is capable of.Cherokee_Jack
this is not namco ( I think could be namco pr generate some hype but I doubt it) this is the brilliant tekken development team them>>>all.
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#12 Malta_1980
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something tells me that it wont be Tekken 6 that will push the 360 to its graphical limits... :)

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#13 speedsix
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Tekken 6 looks very mediocre imo.

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you need to see TEKKEN 6(br) in motion and hd before commenting about it the game looks really phenomenal in motion with alot of effects and I will say this now which ever version of tekken 6(br)(not so sure it will be ps3) which will look better will belong to the superior hardware, on every platform so far a tekken game was always at the top of the graphical scale(ps2,psp,gba)the tekken development team are the best developers and far above all else.Tekkenloving
So...You're saying the PS2 was better hardware than the Xbox because it had Tekken games on it? :lol: Anyways, fighting games are not going to max out a console. Tekken 6 doesn't look anywhere near as good as the CG movies we were shown a couple of years ago.
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[QUOTE="Tekkenloving"]you need to see TEKKEN 6(br) in motion and hd before commenting about it the game looks really phenomenal in motion with alot of effects and I will say this now which ever version of tekken 6(br)(not so sure it will be ps3) which will look better will belong to the superior hardware, on every platform so far a tekken game was always at the top of the graphical scale(ps2,psp,gba)the tekken development team are the best developers and far above all else.MortalDecay
So...You're saying the PS2 was better hardware than the Xbox because it had Tekken games on it? :lol: Anyways, fighting games are not going to max out a console. Tekken 6 doesn't look anywhere near as good as the CG movies we were shown a couple of years ago.

Lol! I remember the close up with sweat, and steam, and it was obviously cgi, but that didnt stop a lot of fanboy idiocy occuring. (at the time this was a ps exclusive)

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[QUOTE="Cherokee_Jack"]I don't know if I trust Namco to tell me what the 360 is capable of.Tekkenloving
this is not namco ( I think could be namco pr generate some hype but I doubt it) this is the brilliant tekken development team them>>>all.

Please don't let your fanboy love for a dev team cloud your better judgement. Seriously...A fighting game mazing out a console? There are FAR better looking games out there than Tekken 6 on the 360. If Namco, or your precious Tekken team believes Teeken 6 is going to max the 360 out, they suck, and have no clue what they're doing.
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[QUOTE="Tekkenloving"]you need to see TEKKEN 6(br) in motion and hd before commenting about it the game looks really phenomenal in motion with alot of effects and I will say this now which ever version of tekken 6(br)(not so sure it will be ps3) which will look better will belong to the superior hardware, on every platform so far a tekken game was always at the top of the graphical scale(ps2,psp,gba)the tekken development team are the best developers and far above all else.MortalDecay
So...You're saying the PS2 was better hardware than the Xbox because it had Tekken games on it? :lol: Anyways, fighting games are not going to max out a console. Tekken 6 doesn't look anywhere near as good as the CG movies we were shown a couple of years ago.

lol you know that wasn't what I meant(tech wise) and this is not tekken 6 it's tekken 6:br it uses a new engine ill post some vids shortly

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#18 obamanian
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http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

roadkill88

A beat em up with tiny squre stages and zero detail around is taxing 360 ?

More like using 10% of its power

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#19 ocinom
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SC IV looks better than Tekken 6 so this statement is surely false

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#20 Tekkenloving
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tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

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#21 o0_L0st_B0y_0o
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tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

Tekkenloving
no offence buddy but how you can show off a game from a steaming website such as youtube, where the quality is near terrible. Cant you post vids from ign or even gamespot?
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#22 McdonaIdsGuy
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Since the game never looked that good i will take his comment with a grain of salt...optimize your engine better.
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#23 Tekkenloving
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[QUOTE="Tekkenloving"]

tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

o0_L0st_B0y_0o
no offence buddy but how you can show off a game from a steaming website such as youtube, where the quality is near terrible. Cant you post vids from ign or even gamespot?

the first one isn't youtube and I ask everyone to see it before making a comment the game looks beautiful in motion and it's also 60fps and rumors say 1080p and once again TEKKEN 6=/= TEKKEN 6:BR
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Hmm will wait and see, i think we got another 2 years with the xbox 360... im sure there is still plenty to come and better looking games...Look at the ps2. When people thought that was it, it released better and better looking games. I dont think they will have maxed out yet. Again i wouldnt be suprised if this was PR speak to bull up how good Tekken looks.

o0_L0st_B0y_0o

The 360 is no PS2.

Remember how easy the 360 is to develop for? How simple and accessible it is? That is the big appeal for developers. It also means developers are able to maximize the consoles power fairly early on. Last gen, developers complained the PS2 and its emotion engine were the most difficult to develop for. However, the consoles popularity meant they HAD to develop for it if they wanted to reach the braodest market. THe more developers worked with the console, the more they were able to learn the difficult hardware and advance the graphics over time. It just took them longer.

In short, the 360 may still see slight improvements graphically, but they have peaked in the sense that it won't be the constant climb it has been to this point.

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#25 killerfist
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We heard this before. This will be debunked soon enough, with yet another game.
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#26 Martin_G_N
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Hmm will wait and see, i think we got another 2 years with the xbox 360... im sure there is still plenty to come and better looking games...Look at the ps2. When people thought that was it, it released better and better looking games. I dont think they will have maxed out yet. Again i wouldnt be suprised if this was PR speak to bull up how good Tekken looks.

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You can't compare the X360 with the PS2. The PS2 was hard to utilize at first because it had a completely different architecture compared to PC's, devs had to constantly think of new ways to get better graphics out of it. The same goes with the PS3. The X360 however, has a architecture that's similar to a PC, which of course is'nt a bad thing in the beginning. But over a long period of time, it could be. The X360 has'nt exactly shown as much improvements in graphics as the PS3 has.
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#27 SmokeyMcMuffin
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[QUOTE="o0_L0st_B0y_0o"][QUOTE="Tekkenloving"]

tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

Tekkenloving
no offence buddy but how you can show off a game from a steaming website such as youtube, where the quality is near terrible. Cant you post vids from ign or even gamespot?

the first one isn't youtube and I ask everyone to see it before making a comment the game looks beautiful in motion and it's also 60fps and rumors say 1080p and once again TEKKEN 6=/= TEKKEN 6:BR

it barely looks better than dead or alive 4
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#28 McdonaIdsGuy
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If we go by Japenese developers Capcom>>>>>>>>>>>>Namco,Capcom is doing amazing thing with console...something that namco can't achieve just give lame excuses..i haven't never seen capcom complaining about the consoles.
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[QUOTE="o0_L0st_B0y_0o"]

Hmm will wait and see, i think we got another 2 years with the xbox 360... im sure there is still plenty to come and better looking games...Look at the ps2. When people thought that was it, it released better and better looking games. I dont think they will have maxed out yet. Again i wouldnt be suprised if this was PR speak to bull up how good Tekken looks.

ZIMdoom

The 360 is no PS2.

Remember how easy the 360 is to develop for? How simple and accessible it is? That is the big appeal for developers. It also means developers are able to maximize the consoles power fairly early on. Last gen, developers complained the PS2 and its emotion engine were the most difficult to develop for. However, the consoles popularity meant they HAD to develop for it if they wanted to reach the braodest market. THe more developers worked with the console, the more they were able to learn the difficult hardware and advance the graphics over time. It just took them longer.

In short, the 360 may still see slight improvements graphically, but they have peaked in the sense that it won't be the constant climb it has been to this point.

Not necessary. "Easy to develop for" doesn't necessary mean "easy to max it out". If a console is easy to develop for, devs have more ways to play with the hardware, creating more ways to improve their engines. It is a question of optimization, more than of raw power.
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http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

roadkill88
oh no, not another company blaming the 360 because they are using a crap engine, if tekken 6 'max's out' the 360 graphics wise, then gears 2 does not exist
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tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

Tekkenloving
Looks okay to be honest. Doesn't look that amazing, graphically.
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#32 Spider-Jim
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I didn't get the impression he was saying 360 is inferior technology . i Thought he was saying that the game was made for PS3 technology and they're having trouble reprogramming it for 360.

So I think he is saying they are different.

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[QUOTE="Tekkenloving"]

tekken own all , ya tekken own all-see in hd

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Looks okay to be honest. Doesn't look that amazing, graphically.

well I disagree but at least you watched the video before commenting I appreciate that.
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http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

roadkill88
Well, this is the reason why, "As Tekken 6 was developed on an arcade board based on the PS3's architecture, replicating the its high graphical fidelity on the 360 - at 60fps - has been very challenging according to Harada." The game would original created using the PS3 architecture. As we all know and have seen, it's pretty hard to convert PS3 games to the XBox 360 and visa-versa. If they had built the game from the ground up on the XBox 360, there wouldn't be any issues at all. Also, Namco need not forget the 60GB+ HDD that the XBox 360 has. They could easily make the game so that the HDD is a requirement. The majority of XBox 360 owners have a 360 with the HDD. So it's not that the XBox 360 has reached any limit, it's that Namco is trying to port the game from the PS3 instead of starting from scratch and creating the game on the XBox 360.
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[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

obamanian

A beat em up with tiny squre stages and zero detail around is taxing 360 ?

More like using 10% of its power

Yeah, I don't think so and Dead or Alive actually looks better and that was a launch title. DOA's interactive arenas were incredible.
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#36 deactivated-5dd711115e664
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[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]

[QUOTE="o0_L0st_B0y_0o"]

Hmm will wait and see, i think we got another 2 years with the xbox 360... im sure there is still plenty to come and better looking games...Look at the ps2. When people thought that was it, it released better and better looking games. I dont think they will have maxed out yet. Again i wouldnt be suprised if this was PR speak to bull up how good Tekken looks.

IronBass

The 360 is no PS2.

Remember how easy the 360 is to develop for? How simple and accessible it is? That is the big appeal for developers. It also means developers are able to maximize the consoles power fairly early on. Last gen, developers complained the PS2 and its emotion engine were the most difficult to develop for. However, the consoles popularity meant they HAD to develop for it if they wanted to reach the braodest market. THe more developers worked with the console, the more they were able to learn the difficult hardware and advance the graphics over time. It just took them longer.

In short, the 360 may still see slight improvements graphically, but they have peaked in the sense that it won't be the constant climb it has been to this point.

Not necessary. "Easy to develop for" doesn't necessary mean "easy to max it out". If a console is easy to develop for, devs have more ways to play with the hardware, creating more ways to improve their engines. It is a question of optimization, more than of raw power.

I believe that is what I said...and yes, that still means that leap and big, noticeable improvements have peaked while smaller, more detail oriented but less obvious changes will become the new focus.

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#37 Ontain
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a franchise that has always been on PS and probably started development there saying that it's pushing the 360? Maybe they are just setting up for when it doesn't look as good on 360 because it was ported with less development time to optimize for the 360.
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[QUOTE="roadkill88"]

http://xbox-360.nowgamer.com/news/249/next-xbox-could-be-affected-by-tekken-6-tech

XanderZane

Well, this is the reason why, "As Tekken 6 was developed on an arcade board based on the PS3's architecture, replicating the its high graphical fidelity on the 360 - at 60fps - has been very challenging according to Harada." The game would original created using the PS3 architecture. As we all know and have seen, it's pretty hard to convert PS3 games to the XBox 360 and visa-versa. If they had built the game from the ground up on the XBox 360, there wouldn't be any issues at all. Also, Namco need not forget the 60GB+ HDD that the XBox 360 has. They could easily make the game so that the HDD is a requirement. The majority of XBox 360 owners have a 360 with the HDD. So it's not that the XBox 360 has reached any limit, it's that Namco is trying to port the game from the PS3 instead of starting from scratch and creating the game on the XBox 360.

While I agree that porting game usually means more issues that building from the ground up, many developers have already said in the past that due to the easy and familiar 360 hardware...porting from PS3 to 360 is much easier than vice versa. So I would argue that the quote you refer to is open to interpretation and could still refer to the limits of the 360.

Mainly I wanted to point out that, and I could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure MS doesn't allow developers to REQUIRE HDD support for their games. It's MS's policy because they don't want to alienate the people who bought the Arcade model. Especially now with the arcade model being $199 and partly responsible for their recent massive spike in sales.

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I find it hard to believe a 1 vs 1 beat em up pushes the 360 in the same way as say, Fallout.Bazfrag
Good point.
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#40 JangoWuzHere
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ya thats what those people said developing Red Faction 3. And that game didn't look good either.

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you need to see TEKKEN 6(br) in motion and hd before commenting about it the game looks really phenomenal in motion with alot of effects and I will say this now which ever version of tekken 6(br)(not so sure it will be ps3) which will look better will belong to the superior hardware, on every platform so far a tekken game was always at the top of the graphical scale(ps2,psp,gba)the tekken development team are the best developers and far above all else.Tekkenloving
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"As Tekken 6 was developed on an arcade board based on the PS3's architecture, replicating the its high graphical fidelity on the 360 - at 60fps - has been very challenging according to Harada."

Did you fanboys see this part? Ya'll need to do some research on Arcade Cabinets. Street fighter is running off a PC, Tekken is on a arcade board, thats a big difference.

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#43 loco145
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The limit was reached in 2006 with Gears one.
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tekken is a AAA franchise and always got the most out the systems graphically.
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#45 RobNBankz
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Tekken became irrelevant once Street Fighter came out. Maybe instead of making unreal CGI videos, they should've tried on completing the game and getting it out. Now they have to compete with Street Fighter. In the real world, people don't care about the nice, new shiny game like you guys do on here. Nobody is going to care that SF4 came out early 09 and Tekken came out late 09 or later.

Dead or Alive 4, Soul Calibur 4 (to an extent), Mortal Kombat vs DC all sold because there wasn't that one great fighter out. Tekken should've been released to take advantage.

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#46 KilIzone3
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LIES 360 has hidden powers to FAR SURPASS Killzone 2
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#47 Gh0st_Of_0nyx
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From what I have seen Tekken doesn't even look that great

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Agreed Soul Calibur 4 looks away better I think.
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The limit was reached in 2006 with Gears one.loco145
Gears of war 2 says hello. back on topic, i seriously doubt that its the 360 itself thats the problem, and the fact they are having a hard time optimising the game for 360 hardware
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#49 BioShockOwnz
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Haha, I'm not buying it. Tekken 6 looks pretty mediocre. Another dev trying to make us believe they're pushing their game past the limits. I call BS. This looks no better than any other fighter and vastly inferior to the more top tier titles.

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#50 PSdual_wielder
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Namco shouldn't have said that. Look at this thread, all the 360 guys just jumped on the hate-namco bandwagon. Really shouldn't have that, even though it may be true.