NATAL = 100ms of lag

Natal is pretty much useless until MS fixes it.

The chip, which was responsible for processing information for the Natal's 'bone system,' has been removed in favour of a software solution.

However, development sources have indicated to GamesIndustry.biz that the change doesn't have an effect on the existing system lag of about 100ms, while a software solution should enable Microsoft to update the system more quickly and regularly than a hardware solution, meanwhile hitting a previously-speculated price point of sub-USD 50/GBP 50 - although this price rumour has already been scotched by Microsoft's Neil Thompson.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-drops-internal-natal-chip_1

Natal needs to be lagfree..What's the point otherwise?

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

Natal needs to be lagfree..What's the point otherwise?

Lto_thaG

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

WilliamRLBaker

Sony's so called "wand" is lag free. 1-1 ratio. Don't believe me, watch the demonstrations.

100ms is not bad. I play with 150-200ms constantly online and I compete fine, although when it goes over 150 I notice it.

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Natal needs to be lagfree..What's the point otherwise?

Brownesque

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

WilliamRLBaker

M$ should just drop useless Natal.

Natal is pretty much useless until MS fixes it.

The chip, which was responsible for processing information for the Natal's 'bone system,' has been removed in favour of a software solution.

However, development sources have indicated to GamesIndustry.biz that the change doesn't have an effect on the existing system lag of about 100ms, while a software solution should enable Microsoft to update the system more quickly and regularly than a hardware solution, meanwhile hitting a previously-speculated price point of sub-USD 50/GBP 50 - although this price rumour has already been scotched by Microsoft's Neil Thompson.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-drops-internal-natal-chip_1

dream431ca

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Natal is pretty much useless until MS fixes it.

The chip, which was responsible for processing information for the Natal's 'bone system,' has been removed in favour of a software solution.

However, development sources have indicated to GamesIndustry.biz that the change doesn't have an effect on the existing system lag of about 100ms, while a software solution should enable Microsoft to update the system more quickly and regularly than a hardware solution, meanwhile hitting a previously-speculated price point of sub-USD 50/GBP 50 - although this price rumour has already been scotched by Microsoft's Neil Thompson.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-drops-internal-natal-chip_1

navyguy21

That is not negative? 100ms is a lot for motion control.

Natal lag

100ms isn't bad, but they could do better. They should do their best to increase the speed of it, it will make the experience that much more seamless and immersive.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

dream431ca

Sony's so called "wand" is lag free. 1-1 ratio. Don't believe me, watch the demonstrations.

Take your fake PSN card and get out of here.

xX-Incubus-Xx

How is his PSN Card fake? He has several trophies, more then i have anyways :lol:

On-Topic. 100ms isn't going to effect gameplay much. Obviously it'd be better with minimal lag, but 100ms is not bad at all.

Also, what did this chip that they've taken out do? I assume they took it out to reduce the price to impulse levels.

100ms isn't bad, but they could do better. They should do their best to increase the speed of it, it will make the experience that much more seamless and immersive.

shoryuken_

indeed, 100ms is still very much playbable. however if they could get it down to 60-75, that would be great.

100ms is not bad. I play with 150-200ms constantly online and I compete fine, although when it goes over 150 I notice it.

Espada12

ake your fake PSN card and get out of here.

WilliamRLBaker

WTF are you talking about?

100ms is not bad. I play with 150-200ms constantly online and I compete fine, although when it goes over 150 I notice it.

Espada12

that would be unplayable... He's talking about inputlag. Not the lag you get when playing online.

can somebody explain what this "100ms of lag" means to me?

i find it hard to believe that game like burnout paradise where nothing is being rendered on behalf of the actual person has the same amount of lag as ricochet in which an actual silouette of the person not only has to be rendered but properly animated too, theyre not even rendering your car in the burnout paradise demo, its just a first person view

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

dream431ca

Sony's so called "wand" is lag free. 1-1 ratio. Don't believe me, watch the demonstrations.

Maeby it's lag free, but i think the wand is ridiculous, it looks ugly like hell lol

As stated a 1/10 of a second of lag isn't all that bad but it could be improved minimally. Not that bad.

can somebody explain what this "100ms of lag" means to me?

i find it hard to believe that game like burnout paradise where nothing is being rendered on behalf of the actual person has the same amount of lag as ricochet in which an actual silouette of the person not only has to be rendered but properly animated too, theyre not even rendering your car in the burnout paradise demo, its just a first person view

i_am_interested

thats about the lag we see with eye toy games...which will likely be what we see with the wands since they use the eye toy camera.

you dont have much here, as much as i dislike natal now with its removal of the processor you still have nothing on the sony side which is the side your fighting for.

Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Sollet

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Stats_

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

OMG you got 10 of those crazy things :o!!! You sure are cool dude :o

Well this pretty much seals the deal for Nathal for Online FPS.

Most people seem to think only the highest ms effects their game or like to compare it to the lag they have in their personal online sessions. However that's not how it works, you need to add them. From your Controller to your System, and from your System to the Server. So let's say your ping is 150ms and Nathal adds another 100ms, that's 250ms. That's quite significant.

Actually, alot of people already pointed this out after seeing the E3 presentation. Unlike the PS3Wand which looked ridiculous but seemed to work perfectly fine.

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Stats_

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

Natal lag

sayonara89

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Natal lag

Franko_3

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

100ms is not bad. I play with 150-200ms constantly online and I compete fine, although when it goes over 150 I notice it.

GTSaiyanjin2

that would be unplayable... He's talking about inputlag. Not the lag you get when playing online.

Oh I thought it was the action > movement part on screen not that actual input. Online it's the shot > hitbox time so I was thinking along the same lines.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Combii

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

OMG you got 10 of those crazy things :o!!! You sure are cool dude :o

All i know is that they better put the chip back in there, why should I buy an acessory that takes up to 15% of it's CPU?kolkov01

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Sollet

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="Sollet"]Lulz, why is everyone being defensive over the article he posted/linked ? His comment provoked ya guys? Eh it's just his opinion.Sollet

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

Everyone knows he don't count. He's not a normal guy.

[QUOTE="Sollet"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

You have A LOT of trophys, bro.

StealthMonkey4

100ms isn't bad, but they could do better. They should do their best to increase the speed of it, it will make the experience that much more seamless and immersive.

shoryuken_

Kinda like the delay found in KZ2. Except KZ2 has about 130ms delay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi20w1RzWHE

dont complain console gamers are lucky to have a motion controller cominng to us Natal Wand and the Wii2 im not a fanboy but computer gamers from MAC and PC arent getting any if they dont have a console

dont complain console gamers are lucky to have a motion controller cominng to us Natal Wand and the Wii2 im not a fanboy but computer gamers from MAC and PC arent getting any if they dont have a console

stormdrill27