***NATAL ADVANTAGE*** No controller, so you don't have to buy extra controllers

The Wii was a HUGE success due in most part to it's control system. It is the first console that you only need common sense to use. Not many buttons, you just wave the wimote and that produces actions on the screen. Anyone can do it and more importantly, everyone wants to try it.

Another big feature of the Wii is that it is a great party system. If you have a bunch of friends over your house, well a game like Metal Gear is terrible in that scenario. The Wii caters to those situations and those type of gaming scenarios.

For me I like great traditional deep gameplay but I admit that it would be foolish for MS and Sony to ignore this new market that Nintendo has tapped into. Enter the Sony Move and Natal.

They are both geared to do the same thing, bring in the casuals and of course, they are great for party games. You can argue that move is more precise than wimote but let's be honest, casuals won't notice and won't care. And natal doesn't even have a wand to wave but so what, it's not as if any of these types of games will convert the hardcore gamers.

I think all of these systems will get a lot of shovelware and do well for what they are meant to be. I imagine the PS3 will get a ton of Wii shovelware ports. Same for Natal with maybe some small changes.

Don't get me wrong, there will probably be a few cool games for these control systems that even hardcore gamers will get into. But this is mostly a casual thing.

Anyway, now to the big advantage Natal has over Wimote and Move. This is a big one that surprisingly no one has mentioned. With Natal you don't need to buy extra controllers! If you have 4 or 5 friends over, they can all just play. All you have to do is scan them with the system and they are in. And you never have to worry about controllers breaking, running out of battery or even worse, accidentally throwing it at your new 65" HDTV!

With the Wii you have to buy wimotes and nunchucks. If 4 friends are over you have to have 4 full controllers or they are out. Move is more advanced than the wimote but maybe that's not so good if you have a lot of friends. How much will 4 extra move wands cost?

Natal gives you dead on perfect accuracy much more advanced than what the Wii uses. The move I will say is the same, they are both more advanced systems but the Move will run you a huge bill if you have a lot of friends.

Another advantage the 360 and PS3 will have over the Wii is GRAPHICS. The more I think about it the more the wii looks to be in trouble. The potential is there for the fall of the wii. Unless of course Nintendo gives us the Wii HD.

The hugest advantages are the quality of the games and the price.

Good point, specially on the shovelware, there are some fanboys who actually thinks that the systems won't get any, but IMO the greatest challenge Ps3 and 360 has now, is to make their consoles more family oriented, and that's when some bad games with a famous face will step up, don't take me wrong, i'm not saying there won't be any good games, but expect lot and lot of shovelware to interest casuals.

The move I will say is the same, they are both more advanced systems but the Move will run you a huge bill if you have a lot of friends.

This may be your only argument in this rant. I dont even know if it is true though.

I am excited for both as I have been PS360 for awhile now. I have never even thought seriously about purchasing a wii.

Knowing MS I wouldn't be surprised if they made you buy a licence for each additional user beyond 2 :lol:

All kidding aside I don't think it will support more than 2 users reliably (it would get rather crowded to have more than two people in the camera frame at a time).

But with the money you spend on Natal, you can buy nearly 3 controllers...

Well, you could be right about cost, except we don't know exactly what Natal is going to cost yet but it's likely to be more than the Move will be. So, if the Natal ends up being, say, $100-$150, you might have a point, but if it starts pushing $200 cost will be pretty much a moot point.

IMO, for Natal to be a success it needs to be more than just the arm flailing that we've seen so far. I just don't see how it can carry its own weight without some actual physical interaction. What I'm thinking is you need some kind of controller, say a Wii zapper like gun for Halo, with elements of gameplay that require you to put the gun down, open a door, enter a code on a keypad, or melee by actually swinging at a guy, ya know? I just don't think MS is going to get very far against the Wii or Move by packaging Natal in the same way. What MS and Sony should do is not look for a way to compensate for the lack of casual gamers their consoles attract as compared to Nintendo, but strive to reinvent established genres incorporating a more natural and aesthetic approach to increase player involvement and immersion. The only trouble is selling that idea to other studios.

Wow, that's a massive advantage!

I have a feeling that Natal will cost as much as 3-4 controllers anyways.Messiahbolical-

I doubt all game genres will work up to standard with Natal without the use of a controller. First off how the heck do I move? Walk on one spot? Your kidding me right?

The difference is that with a remote you wouldn't need to buy more then one at a time. You can buy one, save up and buy another one some time later.reyad-u

Think about someone getting Natal for their birthday. At his actual party he can have a Natal gaming party without the need for any additional controllers. You don't find that at least a little interesting?

Yeah but seeing as the 360 comes with a controller, you're kinda buying an extra controller in the form of Natal, which if rumors are true costs the same as buying a full set of controllers anyway. :PNinja-Hippo

yeah... great... 5-6 people that have to stay in the view of the camera... you will be sitting shoulder to should sitting down... Lets hope you dont have to jump around an flail in a 5-6 player game or else I see lawsuits for MS.

People need to get real. We'll never be playing our HALOs, Modern Warfares or GeOW games on Natal. It will never work.

People need to get real. We'll never be playing our HALOs, Modern Warfares or GeOW games on Natal. It will never work.

Dahaka-UK

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]I have a feeling that Natal will cost as much as 3-4 controllers anyways.alexfla

There's liking a certain platform better than the others, there's fanboyism, and then there's PR talk.

natal disadvantage, unless its very very very very (and i mean very) high tech you're going to see complaints of how the natal registers what you're doing in certain games and the price of the natal (or the rumored price) just makes it even more less appealing. In addition you can argue no controllers is a disadvantage Microsoft1234

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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]I have a feeling that Natal will cost as much as 3-4 controllers anyways.Messiahbolical-

$150 for Natal is more than i've ever spent on extra controllers for the Wii

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

Jw....Is thee any information yet as to if they have multiplayer working on it yet because so far I havn't heard of any local multiplayer tests from the Gaming Media (Perhaps there saving it for E3?) I'm asuming it would be difficult to track say 2arms out of 4 on two seperate people in the 'richoce' game and require very high tech software.

Does anyone know If Eyetoy was able to support 2 players both on camera at one time because IFAIK it definiatly couldn't but I might be wrong.

Because it's a far more pressing concern to anyone intrested in Natal than the price of a controller on a diffrent system (Of course perhaps not on fanboy wars that is this forum) that the product supports multiple players before attempting to big it up against a diffrent system.

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

ironcreed

$150 for Natal is more than i've ever spent on extra controllers for the Wii

88mphSlayer

***NATAL DISADVANTAGE*** No controller, so you can't have precise input.

:P

damn those pesky controllers, finally we can be free from that damn curse and have our revenge:twisted:


EDIT: MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, MS is giving away the Camera for free !!!!!!!!!!!

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Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

Giancar

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[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

ocstew

Although I'm not sure whether it's registering their presence or not.

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[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

ocstew

If it's $150, that's like...

Four 360 controllers...
Three PS3 controllers..
Three Wii motes..
Seven Wii retro controllers..

\natal could only play 2 players. This is a fact. And it is laggy to boot.

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

Disadvantage- Playing games like this

Makes the Wiimote seem like a normal controller.

2mrw

guys, it's so obvious that Natal as an idea is great ( not so original tho) .... the concept can be apllied in alot of stuff excpet in games, at least not in this stage .... MS is going in the wrong direction with a great idea.

guys, it's so obvious that Natal as an idea is great ( not so original tho) .... the concept can be apllied in alot of stuff excpet in games, at least not in this stage .... MS is going in the wrong direction with a great idea.

2mrw

[QUOTE="2mrw"]

guys, it's so obvious that Natal as an idea is great ( not so original tho) .... the concept can be apllied in alot of stuff excpet in games, at least not in this stage .... MS is going in the wrong direction with a great idea.

Amazons price for a Dualshock 3: $45

Knocking through your walls to increase living room space: >$45