Yeah it's pretty plain to see that they're taking developer liberties and importing the cut-scene models into an extremely small and limited environment like Drake's house which is not by any means a demanding scene.
These characters do not look like that in game play.
Not to give fanboys a leg to stand on here, but real time and in game aren't mutually exclusive terms.
You can throw a ridiculously high poly asset with 16k maps, displacement, complex shaders, super sampling, and all kinds of post effects into an engine, and still manipulate that scene in real time. Of course you couldn't maintain that across an entire game, but it's still real time.
Of course devs are shady about this shit and trick gamers over and over again, but they're not exactly wrong about what they're saying. Just misleading.
The Digital Foundry video seems to prove otherwise, plus the game looks and plays great.
Winner: not you
Ugh no it doesn't, it corroborates everything I just said, the models used in game are not the same as the one use in cut-scenes or isolated button prompt sections, and if they are they're scaled back in multiple ways.
Also, I mean it's fucking Siggraph dudes, not E3. This is all about the tech, the target audience couldn't give a shit less about about what happens in game.
Not to give fanboys a leg to stand on here, but real time and in game aren't mutually exclusive terms.
You can throw a ridiculously high poly asset with 16k maps, displacement, complex shaders, super sampling, and all kinds of post effects into an engine, and still manipulate that scene in real time. Of course you couldn't maintain that across an entire game, but it's still real time.
Of course devs are shady about this shit and trick gamers over and over again, but they're not exactly wrong about what they're saying. Just misleading.
Exactly, in cut-scenes, isolated or very player control limited situations they have great liberties to ramp up the quality on things that cannot be maintained across the actual game itself.
Quantum Break & Rise of the Tomb Raider are both in the same boat as Uncharted 4, the cut-scene models look fantastic, in game they still look good, great even in some instances, however they do not line up with what you seen in these real-time cut-scenes or limited play sections.
Yeah, definitely. I remember in one of the older MGS games they built a detailed hand just for a specific real time scene in which the characters hand is close to the camera, but that hand model was never used again for the rest of the game lol.
Real time can mean all kinds of crazy shit when it comes down to it.
I assume the game dynamically scales the models and textures depending on the scene, so they are probably not lying that it's real time game play, but I'm guessing more complex scenes get scaled down to not tank the frame rate.
I'm assuming a neo patch for this game will do less of the scaling back.
I assume the game dynamically scales the models and textures depending on the scene, so they are probably not lying that it's real time game play, but I'm guessing more complex scenes get scaled down to not tank the frame rate.
I'm assuming a neo patch for this game will do less of the scaling back.
Not from anything I've actually seen in the game, it appears to simply be different models used for the instances of cut-scenes/button prompts and for gameplay itself.
@quadknight said:
UC4 still causing a shit ton of butthurt I see...
It's a conversation that doesn't just apply to UC4, this is used in a lot of games, but if you're so up your own ass and that's all you can take away from this and have to get defensive, then by all means, continue these stupid comments.
I know you're going to post some stupid ass gif, allow me to do it for you, you're terrible at this.
They not wrong but they are not showing areas where they made sacrifices. The sections they showed are indoor and they selected there most detailed indoor models, basically at its best. There is a different to most indoor model detail vs outdoor for example Drake at home or The melee semi qte fights. Some outdoor sections also maintain the detail.
Of course that is misleading as its not the whole picture. It usually is for every game under the microscope, but what they showed is not wrong. The rest is just fanboy dribble overall is one of the better character model out there actually. During game play looks great and most of it has some of the best animations. Add the technics used pre baked or not pushes the game presentation above the rest for consoles. Honestly when you play its a very dynamic graphic presentation during gameplay how the model blends with the changeable environment.
"Hey, let us run our cutscene models in an empty demo level, on a dev kit, and say that it's gameplay."
@ConanTheStoner said:
Of course devs are shady about this shit and trick gamers over and over again, but they're not exactly wrong about what they're saying. Just misleading.
Yeah, their entire point of being there seems to be showing off their character shaders, which they did.
But i guess when an opportunity to lie presents itself, ND just have to seize it.
@dynamitecop: DF never said they used different models in cutscenes. You know why? Because they dont. Whenever you where an alternate costume it appears in every single cutscene. Do you have any idea how long it would take to render every alternate costume if they were using different models?
What's amazing to me is the only place you hear people bitch about UC4s graphics is here on SW. DF basically said it set a new standard in gaming and multiple sights say it's the best looking game ever. But here? It's butthurt PC gamers and lems saying it looks like shit.
It's SIGGRAPH, it's just showing what's possible to do in real-time. They always have very controlled scenarios to demonstrate what is *possible*, but when they integrate it with the entire game, it's not possible. SIGGRAPH is about emerging technologies and research, so what they did there is fine.
In fact, did they even say it was running on the PS4?
@dynamitecop: DF never said they used different models in cutscenes. You know why? Because they dont. Whenever you where an alternate costume it appears in every single cutscene. Do you have any idea how long it would take to render every alternate costume if they were using different models?
What the hell are you talking about? That is not an uncommon practice in gaming. Its no different than using LOD models.
@AM-Gamer said:
What's amazing to me is the only place you hear people bitch about UC4s graphics is here on SW. DF basically said it set a new standard in gaming and multiple sights say it's the best looking game ever. But here? It's butthurt PC gamers and lems saying it looks like shit.
I don't know if your realize but DF opinion is equal to anyone's opinion on this forum. You speak as if they are the authority of game graphics.
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
Okay lol, you keep owning yourself I don't know why.....
This is from the Uncharted 4 hype thread HERE where you were having a meltdown...
@dynamitecop said:
@quadknight said:
Damn, hype exceeded!!! Game of the gen!!!
Haters = Destroyed
TLHBO, THHBO, TSHBO
Calm yourself, this could still fall into the 80's on MC, it's tedering on a 93 with only about 1/4 of the prospective reviews handed in.
@dynamitecop said:
@notafanboy said:
So it now has 47 reviews and it's still at 93.
Will @dynamitecop still predict sub-90 meta?
IGN still has not been piled on and the unscored reviews paint the game in a somewhat mixed light, that of which is analyzed by Metacritic staff and weighted on the aggregate, we'll see what happens.
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
Okay lol, you keep owning yourself I don't know why.....
This is from the Uncharted 4 hype thread HERE
@dynamitecop said:
@quadknight said:
Damn, hype exceeded!!! Game of the gen!!!
Haters = Destroyed
TLHBO, THHBO, TSHBO
Calm yourself, this could still fall into the 80's on MC, it's tedering on a 93 with only about 1/4 of the prospective reviews handed in.
@dynamitecop said:
@notafanboy said:
So it now has 47 reviews and it's still at 93.
Will @dynamitecop still predict sub-90 meta?
IGN still has not been piled on and the unscored reviews paint the game in a somewhat mixed light, that of which is analyzed by Metacritic staff and weighted on the aggregate, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, please point out where I'm hoping for something, you must be completely illiterate because that's not what's happening.
Games rarely stay at their initial score and drop multiple/gain points, in most cases drop, also what I said was when early reviews were coming in and the other when only about half were accounted for. People like to jump the gun on these kinds of things. also what in the ever living **** does this have to do with anything in this thread?
Fucking nothing, because like I said you can't hold a normal conversation with people and have to perpetually shit post, change subjects and warp topics that you're losing arguments in to something you think you can win.
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
Okay lol, you keep owning yourself I don't know why.....
This is from the Uncharted 4 hype thread HERE
@dynamitecop said:
@quadknight said:
Damn, hype exceeded!!! Game of the gen!!!
Haters = Destroyed
TLHBO, THHBO, TSHBO
Calm yourself, this could still fall into the 80's on MC, it's tedering on a 93 with only about 1/4 of the prospective reviews handed in.
@dynamitecop said:
@notafanboy said:
So it now has 47 reviews and it's still at 93.
Will @dynamitecop still predict sub-90 meta?
IGN still has not been piled on and the unscored reviews paint the game in a somewhat mixed light, that of which is analyzed by Metacritic staff and weighted on the aggregate, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, please point out where I'm hoping for something, you must be completely illiterate because that's not what's happening.
Games rarely stay at their initial score and drop multiple/gain points, in most cases drop, also what I said was when early reviews were coming in and the other when only about half were accounted for. People like to jump the gun on these kinds of things. also what in the ever living **** does this have to do with anything in this thread?
Fucking nothing, because like I said you can't hold a normal conversation with people and have to perpetually shit post, change subjects and warp topics that you're losing arguments in to something you think you can win.
GTFO
You about to have another meltdown? Look at that butthurt because I exposed you. You were the joke of SW in that thread.
"B...bu...bu...bu...but it could still drop below 90 on MC guyz!!1"
The ingame modeles are used in realtime wich is why the transition is seemless. Anyone could make any game look bad in screen shots it doesn't mean anything. Lol
@dynamitecop: I see you're projecting your butthurt on me lol.
I still remember you hoping this game would score under a 9.0 on Metacritic, if that isn't butthurt I don't know what is. You're still upset after all these months that UC4 outscored and outsold your precious Quantum Flop, and it most likely will win GOTY on GS too despite your butthurt. Continue to tell us how mad you are with this thread, we really want to know lol.
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
Okay lol, you keep owning yourself I don't know why.....
This is from the Uncharted 4 hype thread HERE
@dynamitecop said:
@quadknight said:
Damn, hype exceeded!!! Game of the gen!!!
Haters = Destroyed
TLHBO, THHBO, TSHBO
Calm yourself, this could still fall into the 80's on MC, it's tedering on a 93 with only about 1/4 of the prospective reviews handed in.
@dynamitecop said:
@notafanboy said:
So it now has 47 reviews and it's still at 93.
Will @dynamitecop still predict sub-90 meta?
IGN still has not been piled on and the unscored reviews paint the game in a somewhat mixed light, that of which is analyzed by Metacritic staff and weighted on the aggregate, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, please point out where I'm hoping for something, you must be completely illiterate because that's not what's happening.
Games rarely stay at their initial score and drop multiple/gain points, in most cases drop, also what I said was when early reviews were coming in and the other when only about half were accounted for. People like to jump the gun on these kinds of things. also what in the ever living **** does this have to do with anything in this thread?
Fucking nothing, because like I said you can't hold a normal conversation with people and have to perpetually shit post, change subjects and warp topics that you're losing arguments in to something you think you can win.
GTFO
You about to have another meltdown? Look at that butthurt because I exposed you. You were the joke of SW in that thread.
"B...bu...bu...bu...but it could still drop below 90 on MC guyz!!1"
Hoping and projecting a view are completely different things, and I wasn't hoping, feel free to quote me.
Also I don't care how one game did in relation to the other or in the market in general, I've played through Quantum Break three times and enjoyed it and got bored with Uncharted 4 after a few hours and haven't touched it since.
You can't handle normal conversations without acting like a jackass.
Okay lol, you keep owning yourself I don't know why.....
This is from the Uncharted 4 hype thread HERE
@dynamitecop said:
Calm yourself, this could still fall into the 80's on MC, it's tedering on a 93 with only about 1/4 of the prospective reviews handed in.
@dynamitecop said:
IGN still has not been piled on and the unscored reviews paint the game in a somewhat mixed light, that of which is analyzed by Metacritic staff and weighted on the aggregate, we'll see what happens.
Yeah, please point out where I'm hoping for something, you must be completely illiterate because that's not what's happening.
Games rarely stay at their initial score and drop multiple/gain points, in most cases drop, also what I said was when early reviews were coming in and the other when only about half were accounted for. People like to jump the gun on these kinds of things. also what in the ever living **** does this have to do with anything in this thread?
Fucking nothing, because like I said you can't hold a normal conversation with people and have to perpetually shit post, change subjects and warp topics that you're losing arguments in to something you think you can win.
GTFO
You about to have another meltdown? Look at that butthurt because I exposed you. You were the joke of SW in that thread.
"B...bu...bu...bu...but it could still drop below 90 on MC guyz!!1"
"Look at teh User reviewz!!1"
What a loser you are...
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Character models are real-time cutscene models too but it goes through a little auto rendering during cutscenes but it renders almost instantly. Cutscenes add flare but they technically are real time. If you mean the added visual effects of cutscenes aren't used in gameplay then yeah, you're right.
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
But you're crying dude, it's painfully obvious for all to see lol.
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
But you're crying dude, it's painfully obvious for all to see lol.
Having a discussion about in game modeling vs. that of cut scenes? Are you on meth?
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
But you're crying dude, it's painfully obvious for all to see lol.
Having a discussion about in game modeling vs. that of cut scenes? Are you on meth?
"b...bu....bu....but only 1/4 of teh prospective reviewz have been handed in guyz!!!1"
Your continuous crying over Uncharted 4 says you should be looking in the mirror when you make that statement. I've never seen anyone on SW butthurt so hard over a single game.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
But you're crying dude, it's painfully obvious for all to see lol.
Having a discussion about in game modeling vs. that of cut scenes? Are you on meth?
"b...bu....bu....but only 1/4 of teh prospective reviewz have been handed in guyz!!!1"
There you go again with the completely unrelated shit posting when you can't actually hold an argument, you fucking suck at forums, my god lol.
Just like the other thing you said I was doing which I was not, how am I crying? What am I crying about? You can't even form the basis for a simple point of valid scrutiny nor provide any type of valid examples.
Ridiculously pathetic man, just bottom of the barrel shit posting.
But you're crying dude, it's painfully obvious for all to see lol.
Having a discussion about in game modeling vs. that of cut scenes? Are you on meth?
"b...bu....bu....but only 1/4 of teh prospective reviewz have been handed in guyz!!!1"
There you go again with the completely unrelated shit posting when you can't actually hold an argument, you fucking suck at forums, my god lol.
Let the tears flow, let us know how you really feel!
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