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#51 BURSTIIIFIRE
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[QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]But only one of them is actually a good game. smartcriminal
Killzone 2, aside from BFBC2 is the best shooter i have played on next gen consoles. Halo 3 was a bouncing joke and MW is a newbs delight. Killzone 2 was an 7/10 campaign and a 9/10 multiplayer.

H3 a bouncing joke? nice haven't heard that before. A 9.5 is a joke now...good to know.

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#52 heybooboo19
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Uncharted 2 has better tech consistency, performance, and polish bottom line. So I'd have to disagree that Killzone 2 would deserve the award over it. Also the train level isn't tech. It could be done last generation.
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#53 BioShockOwnz
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Uncharted 2 does have better tech. The loading in KZ2 sucks. Why does it stop when you're going through a level for quite a lengthy load? Very annoying.

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#54 67gt500
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I have to agree with ND on this one - really, GG should have won that award... Uncharted 2 gets a lot of (well deserved) critical acclaim, but if you look at what's going on 'under the hood' as opposed to what you can actually see, the tech powering KZ2 is more impressive...
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#55 HAZE-Unit
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Uncharted 2 has better tech consistency, performance, and polish bottom line. So I'd have to disagree that Killzone 2 would deserve the award over it. Also the train level isn't tech. It could be done last generation. heybooboo19

lul wut?

Are you serious? just go and read the Naughty Dog Panel @GDC this year and read what was their hardest tech to deliver.

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#56 glez13
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Well it obvious that looks=/=tech. But my guess is that they are just saying that to be modest.

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#57 gamefan67
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Well it obvious that looks=/=tech.

glez13
After reading through this thread I dont think it is that obvious:?
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#58 smartcriminal
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[QUOTE="smartcriminal"][QUOTE="SAGE_OF_FIRE"]But only one of them is actually a good game. BURSTIIIFIRE

Killzone 2, aside from BFBC2 is the best shooter i have played on next gen consoles. Halo 3 was a bouncing joke and MW is a newbs delight. Killzone 2 was an 7/10 campaign and a 9/10 multiplayer.

H3 a bouncing joke? nice haven't heard that before. A 9.5 is a joke now...good to know.

Scores dont mean crap. It is a joke. The campaign is lackluster, i didn't even bother finishing it. And the online is a lag fested bore. actually it reminds me of the Unreal tournament days at school were people bounce around the place and it doesn't require any skill. at least Unreal was enjoyable. The Halo series is overrated and is only popular because it was the only decent (thats how sad it is) software title available for Xbox. Halo is Microsoft's Mario, something that should have died off And before you go on, i have played it
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#59 peaceoutmedusa
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[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Ok those are not the exact quotes but they did say in an interview at GDC that they look up to KZ2 and look at it "as an inspiration to what we can do". They stated that KZ2 deserved the Best Technology award at GDC. I personally think Uncharted 2 looks way better than KZ2...maybe these guys are just being modest.

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#60 AmayaPapaya
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I like Uncharted 2 more. Killzone 2 looks really good to though.

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#61 walkingdream
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U2 is much better looking imo KZ2 didn't appeal to me graphically at all
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#62 BURSTIIIFIRE
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[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

[QUOTE="smartcriminal"] Killzone 2, aside from BFBC2 is the best shooter i have played on next gen consoles. Halo 3 was a bouncing joke and MW is a newbs delight. Killzone 2 was an 7/10 campaign and a 9/10 multiplayer.smartcriminal

H3 a bouncing joke? nice haven't heard that before. A 9.5 is a joke now...good to know.

Scores dont mean crap. It is a joke. The campaign is lackluster, i didn't even bother finishing it. And the online is a lag fested bore. actually it reminds me of the Unreal tournament days at school were people bounce around the place and it doesn't require any skill. at least Unreal was enjoyable. The Halo series is overrated and is only popular because it was the only decent (thats how sad it is) software title available for Xbox. Halo is Microsoft's Mario, something that should have died off And before you go on, i have played it

Now you are bashing Mario? I guess you are one of those ppl who hate w/e is popular. You not liking Halo doesn't make it over rated. If "scores don't mean crap" than what does?...your opinion? Please tell me the name of a better shooter than Halo on the consoles.

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#63 dream431ca
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He said, better tech, not better graphics. There is a difference.

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#64 Rikusaki
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KZ2 only looks good in motion, but I have to agree with Naughty Dog here. From a technical standpoint, KZ2 is more advanced.

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#65 enterawesome
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[QUOTE="smartcriminal"][QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Killzone 2, aside from BFBC2 is the best shooter i have played on next gen consoles. Halo 3 was a bouncing joke and MW is a newbs delight. Killzone 2 was an 7/10 campaign and a 9/10 multiplayer.smartcriminal

H3 a bouncing joke? nice haven't heard that before. A 9.5 is a joke now...good to know.

Scores dont mean crap. It is a joke. The campaign is lackluster, i didn't even bother finishing it. And the online is a lag fested bore. actually it reminds me of the Unreal tournament days at school were people bounce around the place and it doesn't require any skill. at least Unreal was enjoyable. The Halo series is overrated and is only popular because it was the only decent (thats how sad it is) software title available for Xbox. Halo is Microsoft's Mario, something that should have died off And before you go on, i have played it

The multiplayer is lag-fested? No, you haven't played it, or you're just pulling random criticisms out of your ass as an excuse to bash Halo. Halo is one of the least laggy shooters I've ever played.
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#66 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="smartcriminal"][QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

H3 a bouncing joke? nice haven't heard that before. A 9.5 is a joke now...good to know.

BURSTIIIFIRE

Scores dont mean crap. It is a joke. The campaign is lackluster, i didn't even bother finishing it. And the online is a lag fested bore. actually it reminds me of the Unreal tournament days at school were people bounce around the place and it doesn't require any skill. at least Unreal was enjoyable. The Halo series is overrated and is only popular because it was the only decent (thats how sad it is) software title available for Xbox. Halo is Microsoft's Mario, something that should have died off And before you go on, i have played it

Now you are bashing Mario? I guess you are one of those ppl who hate w/e is popular. You not liking Halo doesn't make it over rated. If "scores don't mean crap" than what does?...your opinion? Please tell me the name of a better shooter than Halo on the consoles.

What I like about Halo MP is that it is varied. (forge/custom games) Reach will be epic. I want to see the improvements to forge and more info of invasion mode :D
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#67 Messiahbolical-
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Killzone 2 has the best dynamic lighting system on consoles and it's not even close. It might even have the best in gaming period IMO. It definitely has the best animations in all of the FPS genre. Excellent character models and particle effects, as well as top notch physics make the game a technical marvel as it's running on $299 hardware. :)
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#68 RedruM_I
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Technically, KZ2 is more advanced. Their particle physics engine is unmatcheable by any console game right now.
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#69 IppoTenma
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Told ya.
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#70 imprezawrx500
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is that a surprise? killzone 2 is the only consoles game that actually competes with pc games, other consoles games look like pc with the settings turned down. killzone might have a boring grey setting but it stunning from a technical perspective.
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#71 BURSTIIIFIRE
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is that a surprise? killzone 2 is the only consoles game that actually competes with pc games, other consoles games look like pc with the settings turned down. killzone might have a boring grey setting but it stunning from a technical perspective. imprezawrx500

Yeah...too bad they couldn't make the gameplay as good as the graphics.

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#72 PS-Lightning_18
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ND is so modest, but U2 is still console graphix King.

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#73 Bus-A-Bus
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ND is right.UC2 is by far IMO more beautiful game but when it comes to technicals,GG surpassed both,ND and SM.Only thing that will be able to go head 2 head technically on consoles will be Crysis 2 and Reach.

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#74 II_Seraphim_II
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If you see the graphical detail, and the number of effects going on in that game, you will see that KZ2 is the most techncially advanced game on consoles.

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#75 Bus-A-Bus
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If you see the graphical detail, and the number of effects going on in that game, you will see that KZ2 is the most techncially advanced game on consoles.

II_Seraphim_II

Yap,for example i find both UC2 and Red Dead Redemption to look more beautiful,but when it comes to tech,no no.Lightning,post processing,particles,effects...superb.

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#76 Ringx55
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Uncharted 2 looks prettier on the yes... Bight colours, and etc. KZ2 is just a great technical game, the lighting.. smoke and etc.
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#77 gamer620
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You forget that KZ2 while bland to look at is due to its art style NOT its tech. U2 comes out on top because it has quality tech, alongside a diverse quality art style. I don't think anyone can really argue that KZ2 is not technically superior to most if not ALL console games on the market, but its drab brown and gray art style hold it back. Graphics are more than the tech powering it. If you don't have a strong art style to back up your impressive tech, than whats the point? Realism isn't built around grey tones, it is built around the color spectrum. This is why HVS failed with the conduit, the tech was good, it wasn't complimented by its art though.
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#78 chaplainDMK
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Graphicaly UC2 > KZ2

But technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today. It has some realy impressive effects going on on the screen.

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#80 True-Legend86
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Uncharted 2 is to a Pretty Boy As KILLZONE 2 is to a Body Builder
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#81 True-Legend86
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[QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Graphicaly UC2 > KZ2

But technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today. It has some realy impressive effects going on on the screen.

Graphics is strong realistic pictures Uncharted 2 is all great and colorful but it does not have strong realistic pictures as KZ2
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#82 toxicmog
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UC2 has more colour, granted. And Killzone 2 dealt with a LOT of PS3 problems that ND were probably able to use. Like working with the SP.s on teh Cell.
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#83 DonPerian
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Yeah, but Killzone 2's art direction is horribly bland. Uncharted 2 looks most impressive on the Playstation 3 in my opinion.
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#84 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

ND is right.UC2 is by far IMO more beautiful game but when it comes to technicals,GG surpassed both,ND and SM.Only thing that will be able to go head 2 head technically on consoles will be Crysis 2 and Reach.

Crysis 2 has SSGI (Global Illumination), Deferred Rendering Lights**, HDR (Eye adaptive HDR) i.e. no pre-baked.
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#85 Revolution316
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what are you trying to prove with a bullshot of uncharted 2? is it hard to find gameplay pics?

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#86 BURSTIIIFIRE
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what are you trying to prove with a bullshot of uncharted 2? is it hard to find gameplay pics?

Revolution316

Calm down...I just posted the first pic I got on google. Also if you have played the game than you would know that it looks just like that.

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#87 ronvalencia
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Graphicaly UC2 > KZ2

But technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today. It has some realy impressive effects going on on the screen.

chaplainDMK

KZ2 has

1. pre-rendered static sun shadows. This is mix with real-time sun shadows.

2. pre-baked light in the light accumulation buffer.

3. Uses Bloom instead of HDR.

4. 720p with Quincunx MSAA.

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#88 peaceoutmedusa
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Graphicaly UC2 > KZ2

But technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today. It has some realy impressive effects going on on the screen.

KZ2 has 1. pre-rendered static sun shadows. This is mix with real-time sun shadows. 2. pre-baked light in the light accumulation buffer.

but we all get to see it so it doesnt make a difference (if you were trying to bash KZ2)
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#89 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="chaplainDMK"]

Graphicaly UC2 > KZ2

But technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today. It has some realy impressive effects going on on the screen.

peaceoutmedusa

KZ2 has 1. pre-rendered static sun shadows. This is mix with real-time sun shadows. 2. pre-baked light in the light accumulation buffer.

but we all get to see it so it doesnt make a difference (if you were trying to bash KZ2)

Refer to "technicaly KZ2 wipes out any console and many PC games out today" claims.

Tech !=(doesn't equal) Art work.

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[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

Ok those are not the exact quotes but they did say in an interview at GDC that they look up to KZ2 and look at it "as an inspiration to what we can do". They stated that KZ2 deserved the Best Technology award at GDC. I personally think Uncharted 2 looks way better than KZ2...maybe these guys are just being modest.

Teufelhuhn



How a game looks doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with the quality of the tech.

Exactly. In the making of God Of War 2, the developers clearly say though GOW 2 blows the first out of the water in terms of graphics, it's tech is cheaper than the first.

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#91 supa_badman
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Even though both are close, I don't know how anyone can say KZ2 is worse than UC2.

They must have a pretty crappy T.V or something. =\

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#92 RoOodriGowW
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That's what I have always thought until some weirdos amazed by vegetation and the green color stated U2 did look better than kz2 , ok it may be true , but then again Natgeo looks better than my yard if you go by the 'looks'.Now , it's undeniable though that kz2 has better tech.Oh and that real life has better resolution than NatGeo HD lol . :P

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#93 jyoung312
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[QUOTE="BURSTIIIFIRE"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

How a game looks doesn't necessarily have a lot to do with the quality of the tech.

ferret-gamer

Well KZ2 was mostly very linear, even more than UC2. Also the draw distance in some of the lvls in UC2 is way better than KZ2...is that not technical?

kz2 has impressive volumetric effects for smoke and explosions and much better physics and lighting than uncharted2.

Agreed. Uncharted 2 has better textures, draw distance, art design, and better animations. KZ2's volumetric effects make just about every other console game look terrible. In terms of game design, Uncharted 2 is better but in terms of technical aspects, KZ2 is a beast.

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#94 Revolution316
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[QUOTE="Revolution316"]

what are you trying to prove with a bullshot of uncharted 2? is it hard to find gameplay pics?

BURSTIIIFIRE

Calm down...I just posted the first pic I got on google. Also if you have played the game than you would know that it looks just like that.

i played the game, i remember that level. and im 100% sure the game does not look like that. how i can tell? no jaggies. obviously the picture has been touched up.

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#95 jyoung312
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[QUOTE="RTUUMM"][QUOTE="emorainbo"]

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

KZ2 facial animations aren't nearly as good as U2's, especially the in-game non-scripted scenes.

True but I cant think of a single game that comes close to Jak or Uncharted as far as facial animations go.

Then you havent played HEAVENLY SWORD

OMG that is a beautiful game in terms of facial animations and in general a pretty game that no one ever mentions
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#96 zero_snake99
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Technically, the KZ2 engine is more advanced in terms of rendering and physics than the Naughty Dog engine.
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#97 djohnstonXCII
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im more concearned with what they are working on now cause evan just said they are hard at work on something...Jak and DaxterPS3 anyone?

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#98 Ninja-Bear
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Killzone 2 is too scripted and linear to win any tech awards; it's far too smoke and mirrors.
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#99 Eddie-Vedder
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Killzone 2 is too scripted and linear to win any tech awards; it's far too smoke and mirrors. Ninja-Bear
"Smoke and mirrors" :lol: it's a friggen video game :lol: Which game isn't?