NDP this THURSDAY... better get your excuses ready for when Nintendo wins AGAIN

To axt113:

 

The Wii and DS differ because the DS is a portable device. I can take the DS with me where I go, and it's fast and easy to turn on and play. We live in a world where the iPod has taken over. Sexy portable devices that offer something to consumers are what is selling. DS fits in that category, and it's cheaper than the competition. You can give little Jennifer a DS with Nintendogs when she goes camping or goes to spend the night at a friend's house. The DS is popular for that legit reason. People feel like they need stuff like that right now.

 

The reason the Wii is doing so well right now is because it's hard to find, and people had fun with it for whatever amount of time they spent playing it over a friend's house (or at the store). It's a new and exciting experience, but eventually people will get used to the controls amd the shallow party games will get old. The Wii does have awesome games coming out for it, but it's not the kind of games that the people buying want to play. Mom doesn't want to invest the time it takes to play Metroid Prime 3, and she probably doesn't find it interesting.

 

Basically, when people get used to the new controller, the sales will suffer. I think the PS3 and 360 sales are going to have steady growth, while the Wii is going to experience extreme highs and lows. Only time will tell. 

Sooshy

tell this to my dust covered wii i havent touched it in months just bought a 360 having more fun with it then the wii, i dont care if the wii has sales i care about games and the only really good game it got is zelda.smurf999

Didn't SPM just come out or am I going crazy? 

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]

To axt113:

 

The Wii and DS differ because the DS is a portable device. I can take the DS with me where I go, and it's fast and easy to turn on and play. We live in a world where the iPod has taken over. Sexy portable devices that offer something to consumers are what is selling. DS fits in that category, and it's cheaper than the competition. You can give little Jennifer a DS with Nintendogs when she goes camping or goes to spend the night at a friend's house. The DS is popular for that legit reason. People feel like they need stuff like that right now.

 

The reason the Wii is doing so well right now is because it's hard to find, and people had fun with it for whatever amount of time they spent playing it over a friend's house (or at the store). It's a new and exciting experience, but eventually people will get used to the controls amd the shallow party games will get old. The Wii does have awesome games coming out for it, but it's not the kind of games that the people buying want to play. Mom doesn't want to invest the time it takes to play Metroid Prime 3, and she probably doesn't find it interesting.

 

Basically, when people get used to the new controller, the sales will suffer. I think the PS3 and 360 sales are going to have steady growth, while the Wii is going to experience extreme highs and lows. Only time will tell.

jedigemini

tell this to my dust covered wii i havent touched it in months just bought a 360 having more fun with it then the wii, i dont care if the wii has sales i care about games and the only really good game it got is zelda.smurf999

3. It's just because the Wii is cheaper!...

even though with the PS3/360's higher price, comes more powerful hardware (ie; better graphics, online, multi-media features ect) should justify the cost of their consoles -- making them just as worthy a purchase as the Wii... looks like consumers didnt agree

jedigemini

Actually, no. Some people simply cannot afford (or don't want to afford) a $400 machine. Tell me, why doesn't everyone have a BMW, Audi, Volvo, or similar? They're definitely better performing (and prettier!) machines than the Golf and Prius.

Oh, yes, not everyone can allocate the funds necessary.

Sales do not really say anything about the appeal of a console if price is not the same. Dollar investment (sales times price) is better, but still doesn't say enough, since the graphic for that variable is not linear, as income distribution is not linear.

However, sales do matter, because as you mentioned, it will garner more development support. 

[QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

To axt113:

 

The Wii and DS differ because the DS is a portable device. I can take the DS with me where I go, and it's fast and easy to turn on and play. We live in a world where the iPod has taken over. Sexy portable devices that offer something to consumers are what is selling. DS fits in that category, and it's cheaper than the competition. You can give little Jennifer a DS with Nintendogs when she goes camping or goes to spend the night at a friend's house. The DS is popular for that legit reason. People feel like they need stuff like that right now.

 

The reason the Wii is doing so well right now is because it's hard to find, and people had fun with it for whatever amount of time they spent playing it over a friend's house (or at the store). It's a new and exciting experience, but eventually people will get used to the controls amd the shallow party games will get old. The Wii does have awesome games coming out for it, but it's not the kind of games that the people buying want to play. Mom doesn't want to invest the time it takes to play Metroid Prime 3, and she probably doesn't find it interesting.

 

Basically, when people get used to the new controller, the sales will suffer. I think the PS3 and 360 sales are going to have steady growth, while the Wii is going to experience extreme highs and lows. Only time will tell.

Sooshy

You only assume they are different because the Home market has been ruled by the Hardcore gamers, 

But now Wii is dragging in those same people who like the DS with its similar philosophy, the rules have changed

Sales matter only to whoever's group is winning. And the cheaper argument is flawed.

1)it's SONY's fault for making it 600 dollars....

2) Pre PS3 launch people said it would still do well despite the high price

[QUOTE="jedigemini"]

3. It's just because the Wii is cheaper!...

even though with the PS3/360's higher price, comes more powerful hardware (ie; better graphics, online, multi-media features ect) should justify the cost of their consoles -- making them just as worthy a purchase as the Wii... looks like consumers didnt agree

Grive

Actually, no. Some people simply cannot afford (or don't want to afford) a $400 machine. Tell me, why doesn't everyone have a BMW, Audi, Volvo, or similar? They're definitely better performing (and prettier!) machines than the Golf and Prius.

Oh, yes, not everyone can allocate the funds necessary.

Sales do not really say anything about the appeal of a console if price is not the same. Dollar investment (sales times price) is better, but still doesn't say enough, since the graphic for that variable is not linear, as income distribution is not linear.

However, sales do matter, because as you mentioned, it will garner more development support. 

[QUOTE="smurf999"]tell this to my dust covered wii i havent touched it in months just bought a 360 having more fun with it then the wii, i dont care if the wii has sales i care about games and the only really good game it got is zelda.Sooshy

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="jedigemini"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

To axt113:

 

The Wii and DS differ because the DS is a portable device. I can take the DS with me where I go, and it's fast and easy to turn on and play. We live in a world where the iPod has taken over. Sexy portable devices that offer something to consumers are what is selling. DS fits in that category, and it's cheaper than the competition. You can give little Jennifer a DS with Nintendogs when she goes camping or goes to spend the night at a friend's house. The DS is popular for that legit reason. People feel like they need stuff like that right now.

 

The reason the Wii is doing so well right now is because it's hard to find, and people had fun with it for whatever amount of time they spent playing it over a friend's house (or at the store). It's a new and exciting experience, but eventually people will get used to the controls amd the shallow party games will get old. The Wii does have awesome games coming out for it, but it's not the kind of games that the people buying want to play. Mom doesn't want to invest the time it takes to play Metroid Prime 3, and she probably doesn't find it interesting.

 

Basically, when people get used to the new controller, the sales will suffer. I think the PS3 and 360 sales are going to have steady growth, while the Wii is going to experience extreme highs and lows. Only time will tell.

axt113

You only assume they are different because the Home market has been ruled by the Hardcore gamers,

But now Wii is dragging in those same people who like the DS with its similar philosophy, the rules have changed

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="smurf999"]tell this to my dust covered wii i havent touched it in months just bought a 360 having more fun with it then the wii, i dont care if the wii has sales i care about games and the only really good game it got is zelda.axt113

 

They're not the same because they don't offer the same things. For example, you take the DS on a camping trip with you, you generally don't take the TV. I can take my DS with me to work and play on my lunch break, I can't really take my Wii. See what I'm saying? 

Sooshy

 I tend to play my DS more at home than anywhere else,and I know alot of people who do the same, yes the DS offers portability, but thats not to say people don't play it at home as well, and portability isn't the only thing that makes people game, a lot of people game on their PC, with simple flash games, much like the Wii has in Warioware and rayman, etc., these markets are only slightly different but the tastes of what they like to play is the same

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

Wii is still in fad mode, if you ask me. Plus, not all of Nintendo's 15 million die hard fans have gotten one yet.

GundamGuy0

This so called Fad is still amazingly strong months after Launch

you can't buy new software for beanie babies. :| nor can you have new and different experiences with them.

Not according to Economics... unless this is a theory i've not been told about yet. Would you care to explain why something having a high demand would make other people want it... all other things the same.

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="smurf999"]tell this to my dust covered wii i havent touched it in months just bought a 360 having more fun with it then the wii, i dont care if the wii has sales i care about games and the only really good game it got is zelda.Sooshy

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]

 

They're not the same because they don't offer the same things. For example, you take the DS on a camping trip with you, you generally don't take the TV. I can take my DS with me to work and play on my lunch break, I can't really take my Wii. See what I'm saying?

axt113

I tend to play my DS more at home than anywhere else,and I know alot of people who do the same, yes the DS offers portability, but thats not to say people don't play it at home as well, and portability isn't the only thing that makes people game, a lot of people game on their PC, with simple flash games, much like the Wii has in Warioware and rayman, etc., these markets are only slightly different but the tastes of what they like to play is the same

 :roll:

I am going to go with number 5 because I truly do not care.

I own a Wii, but I do not own nintendo stocks so I really could not care less.

I care about games and last time I checked this was System wars not Sales wars.

Maybe Gamespot should create a whole board for gamers like you (on this topic) who thrive on recieving sales numbers could go talk about sales and crap that real gamers should not worry about.

Unless a gaming company goes bankrupt or a certain game breaks a sales record I do not care about sales issues.

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

Wii is still in fad mode, if you ask me. Plus, not all of Nintendo's 15 million die hard fans have gotten one yet.

Sooshy

This so called Fad is still amazingly strong months after Launch

you can't buy new software for beanie babies. :| nor can you have new and different experiences with them.

Not according to Economics... unless this is a theory i've not been told about yet. Would you care to explain why something having a high demand would make other people want it... all other things the same.

Unless your someone who buys and sells consoles for a living... (Ebay Scalpers) then it doesn't really effect the value at all. Being that the Value of your console depends on how highly you value the games.  People are still willing to pay more then the MSRP from Ebay scalpers too.... So... 

 

Maybe Gamespot should create a whole board for gamers like you (on this topic) who thrive on recieving sales numbers could go talk about sales and crap that real gamers should not worry about.

 

deangallop

btw sales = games, its okay for you not to care, but dont act like they dont matter ;)

Alright, axt113. We're obviously getting to the point of going around in circles. You have your reasons for why you think the Wii will continue to sell big numbers, and I have my reasons for thinking it's sales are going to fall a considerable amount.

Thanks for arguing because I've had this stuff in my head for a while, but no one to really talk about it with (my friends are all casuals who don't care about this aspect of the business).

I wasn't comparing them in what they're used for, I am comparing them in supply/demand. It helps make people want something more when it's tough to find.
Sooshy

if anything i think that your point is more for the ps3 than for the wii. the ps3 had huge demand and then it dropped like a rock really fast. it's not like they had a ton of supply either. they just didn't sell. the wii however is selling like made. this is being driven by the damand. 6+ million sold. it's not like they aren't putting out a lot every month.

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

Wii is still in fad mode, if you ask me. Plus, not all of Nintendo's 15 million die hard fans have gotten one yet.

GundamGuy0

This so called Fad is still amazingly strong months after Launch

you can't buy new software for beanie babies. :| nor can you have new and different experiences with them.

Not according to Economics... unless this is a theory i've not been told about yet. Would you care to explain why something having a high demand would make other people want it... all other things the same.

Unless your someone who buys and sells consoles for a living... (Ebay Scalpers) then it doesn't really effect the value at all. Being that the Value of your console depends on how highly you value the games. People are still willing to pay more then the MSRP from Ebay scalpers too.... So...

We don't have to wait I can tell you right now. 1) DS 2) Wii 3) PS2 4) Xbox 360 5) PSP 6) PS3 7) GC 8.) GBADaysAirlines

I don't know the GBA outsold the PS3 last month...  

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

Wii is still in fad mode, if you ask me. Plus, not all of Nintendo's 15 million die hard fans have gotten one yet.

Sooshy

This so called Fad is still amazingly strong months after Launch

you can't buy new software for beanie babies. :| nor can you have new and different experiences with them.

Not according to Economics... unless this is a theory i've not been told about yet. Would you care to explain why something having a high demand would make other people want it... all other things the same.

Unless your someone who buys and sells consoles for a living... (Ebay Scalpers) then it doesn't really effect the value at all. Being that the Value of your console depends on how highly you value the games. People are still willing to pay more then the MSRP from Ebay scalpers too.... So...

You don't want stuff because it's unavailable. It's unavailable because everyone wants it, because it appeals to them. Thing's don't sell because they are Fad's. They are Fad's because they sell.

It's got to be desired in the first place before it can become a fad. 

[QUOTE="Sooshy"]I wasn't comparing them in what they're used for, I am comparing them in supply/demand. It helps make people want something more when it's tough to find.
Ontain

if anything i think that your point is more for the ps3 than for the wii. the ps3 had huge demand and then it dropped like a rock really fast. it's not like they had a ton of supply either. they just didn't sell. the wii however is selling like made. this is being driven by the damand. 6+ million sold. it's not like they aren't putting out a lot every month.

We'll just have to see where the sales goes once Nintendo catches up. I personally don't understand why they aren't catching up--the Wii isn't particularly hard or expensive to make. They should be pumping these suckers out. 

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]We don't have to wait I can tell you right now. 1) DS 2) Wii 3) PS2 4) Xbox 360 5) PSP 6) PS3 7) GC 8.) GBAGundamGuy0

I don't know the GBA outsold the PS3 last month...  

[QUOTE="GundamGuy0"]

[QUOTE="DaysAirlines"]We don't have to wait I can tell you right now. 1) DS 2) Wii 3) PS2 4) Xbox 360 5) PSP 6) PS3 7) GC 8.) GBADaysAirlines

I don't know the GBA outsold the PS3 last month...

One would hope.  

[QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="GundamGuy0"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="xxxxThe_GoaTxxx"][QUOTE="Sooshy"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Sooshy"]

Wii is still in fad mode, if you ask me. Plus, not all of Nintendo's 15 million die hard fans have gotten one yet.

GundamGuy0

This so called Fad is still amazingly strong months after Launch

you can't buy new software for beanie babies. :| nor can you have new and different experiences with them.

Not according to Economics... unless this is a theory i've not been told about yet. Would you care to explain why something having a high demand would make other people want it... all other things the same.

Unless your someone who buys and sells consoles for a living... (Ebay Scalpers) then it doesn't really effect the value at all. Being that the Value of your console depends on how highly you value the games. People are still willing to pay more then the MSRP from Ebay scalpers too.... So...

You don't want stuff because it's unavailable. It's unavailable because everyone wants it, because it appeals to them. Thing's don't sell because they are Fad's. They are Fad's because they sell.

It's got to be desired in the first place before it can become a fad.

Top 5 excuses 

1. Sales dont matter! ...

even though historically speaking the best selling console has always nabbed the lions share of software support

2. The Wii is a fad!...

wow this apparant fad is starting to span  out for a pretty damn long time.... any of you starting to get uncomfortable that ... perhaps... it's not a fad? lol 

3. It's just because the Wii is cheaper!...

even though with the PS3/360's higher price, comes more powerful hardware (ie; better graphics, online, multi-media features ect) should justify the cost of their consoles -- making them just as worthy a purchase as the Wii... looks like consumers didnt agree

4. Teh Wii's games and graphics suck, have fun with your mario rehash!

Graphics have never won a console war, and your opinion on its games are subjective.

5. I don't care!!!

Then what are you doing in systemwars?

jedigemini

QFT. Fanboys always make up some silly excuses when it's a losing battle. But what's sad is that when the games they want is becoming exclusive on the Wii, they will act as if they were always for the wii.

Oh baloney Wii is a fad. If MS or Sony thought of it first and said 'How would like to play a game with a control that simulates a sword? Or a baseball bat? Or a chainsaw, complete with vibration and sound and it mimicks the actual moves you make?' That sounds cool to any game unless your an invalid.

ONly because their favorite system didnt capitalize on it first they are crying like babies and deny it.

[QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="elcoholic"]Show me the games per console sales and we'll talk.elcoholic

WW its probably 360 in total software sales followed by the Wii which is catching up 

I bought 12 360 games in a year. No way all those casuals and non-gamers buy more games than 360/ps3 gamers will.

if you only bought 12 games last year i am sorry to tell you that you are a casual gamer.

[QUOTE="elcoholic"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="elcoholic"]Show me the games per console sales and we'll talk.frankeyser

WW its probably 360 in total software sales followed by the Wii which is catching up 

I bought 12 360 games in a year. No way all those casuals and non-gamers buy more games than 360/ps3 gamers will.

if you only bought 12 games last year i am sorry to tell you that you are a casual gamer.

So what is the magic number of games to have to NOT be a casual gamer?

[QUOTE="frankeyser"][QUOTE="elcoholic"][QUOTE="axt113"]

[QUOTE="elcoholic"]Show me the games per console sales and we'll talk.flazzle

WW its probably 360 in total software sales followed by the Wii which is catching up

I bought 12 360 games in a year. No way all those casuals and non-gamers buy more games than 360/ps3 gamers will.

if you only bought 12 games last year i am sorry to tell you that you are a casual gamer.

So what is the magic number of games to have to NOT be a casual gamer?

Won't the NDP numbers show what everyone already knows - the wii couldn't meet demand last month? And that they are producing way to slow? I would not be surprised if they sold less last month than the month before that. Once they fix those production problems you can start talking about dominance. I'm sure this demand for the Wii will not wane. Next months figures will be more realistic to how well the Wii is doing.DeerhunterIA

Production problems?  What production problems?  The Wii is outshipping all other home consoles. 

All I can say is, I hope you're having a great time with this. Gloating about how your console of choice is selling more than mine right now doesn't seem like much fun at all to me. *goes back to playing Gears of War.*Ryeferd

We don't have to wait I can tell you right now. 1) DS 2) Wii 3) PS2 4) Xbox 360 5) PSP 6) PS3 7) GC 8.) GBA

9) NES

10)XboxDaysAirlines

I don't understand Sheep. Sales were meaningless when Sony dominated Nintendo, but now they are the end all be all. Also, they just don't seem to understand that when something is $250 versus competition that is $400 and $600, the sales are usually going to be higher. I own a Wii and a PS3, and the Wii has not been touched since early January. Do sales help me out at all? No.watchcity

Same thing for cows. Were you even here last gen or what? Seriously cows always brought up the fact that sony sold 100 million ps2's. Always. fanboys are hypocrites. Period. whether their cows or sheep. Now all the sudden cows don't care about sales and sheep do. Go figure. don't be such a fanboy please. 

[QUOTE="watchcity"]I don't understand Sheep. Sales were meaningless when Sony dominated Nintendo, but now they are the end all be all. Also, they just don't seem to understand that when something is $250 versus competition that is $400 and $600, the sales are usually going to be higher. I own a Wii and a PS3, and the Wii has not been touched since early January. Do sales help me out at all? No.Japanese_Monk

Well, the PS2 has great games for casual and hardcore gamers. 

Same thing for cows. Were you even here last gen or what? Seriously cows always brought up the fact that sony sold 100 million ps2's. Always. fanboys are hypocrites. Period. whether their cows or sheep. Now all the sudden cows don't care about sales and sheep do. Go figure. don't be such a fanboy please.