Neither Gears or Killzone 3 will score AAA

Not enough evidence to heed

Both could make AAAAE, so both will likely score at least AAA.

Heck if GG does even half the level of quality jump it did from Kz 1 to 2 then Kz3 could be one of the best shooters ever made, up there with Halo 1, Golden eye, and Half life.

When will people realize that quality=/=scores. It's all about the hype when it comes to big budget, big named exclusives like these two. Did Halo ODST deserve AAA? Most say no, but it still got AAA here. Reviewers review games based on hype and franchise name. Blockbuster games like those will always score AAA just because.

PabloEscobar20

Believe it baby. :P

I know it's silly to call things this early, and i'll gladly accept ownage if i'm wrong, but i just don't see it happening. Gears of War 2, even though bigger and better than the original in nearly every way, demonstrated that despite that people just weren't as hyped to play the game as they were when it was fresh and new. Even if Gears of War 3 fixes all of the multiplayer woes, i just don't see it doing enough to justify a third AAA score for what looks from early screens to be essentially the same formula for the third time.

As for Killzone 3, i think Killzone 2 barely got AAA on Gamespot. It was a good game, by all means, but not the epic uppercut of awesomeness that many were hoping it would be, and interest for it seemed to just flat-out die mere weeks after it released. Killzone 3 is releasing too soon to have any meaningful graphical update, and as such i think will suffer from more of the same syndrome and knock it down into the AA range.

I may be wrong. For the sake of good gaming i hope i am. But that's how i'm calling it. :P

Ninja-Hippo

whoa! someones been hitting the devils lettuce

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When will people realize that quality=/=scores. It's all about the hype when it comes to big budget, big named exclusives like these two. Did Halo ODST deserve AAA? Most say no, but it still got AAA here. Reviewers review games based on hype and franchise name. Blockbuster games like those will always score AAA just because.

CakeBalls

Well that was my whole point, as I said they also have a big-budget, that=more refinement and development. But the big name guarantees a good score even if there are noicable flaws(GeoW 2 multiplayer, Modern Warfare 2, Resistance 2).

none will be AAA both will be AAAA:P

Both will be AAA.

[QUOTE="CakeBalls"][QUOTE="PabloEscobar20"]

When will people realize that quality=/=scores. It's all about the hype when it comes to big budget, big named exclusives like these two. Did Halo ODST deserve AAA? Most say no, but it still got AAA here. Reviewers review games based on hype and franchise name. Blockbuster games like those will always score AAA just because.

PabloEscobar20

Well that was my whole point, as I said they also have a big-budget, that=more refinement and development. But the big name guarantees a good score even if there are noicable flaws(GeoW 2 multiplayer, Modern Warfare 2, Resistance 2).

Uncharted scored 8.0. Uncharted 2 scored 9.5. Anything is possible.

... and i'll gladly accept ownage WHEN i'm wrongNinja-Hippo

Fixed :P

I can speak for KZ2 and it wasn't the epic awesomeness I was hoping for, it was heckuva lot more!! It was a AAA game. The SP may have had a non-existant story, but the campaign was epic, I still can't recall much touching the last level of KZ2 on Elite, it was insane! The MP is still the best I've played on console this gen (I don't own a 360), but as far as PS3 and Multiplats go, it obliterates everything (CoD4, MW2, R1, R2, BC1 - haven't played BC2 retail, although I found the beta to be awesome online, but I personally found KZ2s to be more fun). And if Rico gets murdered in the first 10 mins of this game, I'm calling it will get AAAA's across the board :P.

If GG can deliver the same intensity, with refining a couple things here and there in their engine, plus delivering some semblance of a story, it'll be a AAA game.

I can't properly speak for GeoW2, since I haven't actually played the campaign's properly, just randomly here and there at a friends, but again, if they fix the MP issues, and deliver the same intensity, with a decent story ending arch. I can't see it not getting AAA.

Both GG and Epic know what they're doing, know what their faults were in their previous titles, I can't see them not rectifying them to a slight degree plus providing the same level of quality and gameplay they previously had.

Your reasoning is incredibly flawed. I think both will get AAA, of course its possible they dont get AAA but not for the reasons you mentioned

Most sequels to popular games this generation have delivered (in terms of critical reception). Why? They can spend less time creating engines and more time tweaking gameplay, fixing flaws, improving the narrative and design structure, and ultimately delivering an incredible cinematic experience.

Resistance 1 to Resistance 2, Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, Super Mario Galaxy to SMG 2, Assassin's Creed 1 to 2, Gears 1 to 2, Mass Effect 1 to 2. Argue as we may with all the things we don't like in the sequels, the fact is the majority have hit their hype. There are a few exceptions, of course, but not enough to bet against the trend.

Uncharted scored 8.0. Uncharted 2 scored 9.5. Anything is possible.

foxhound_fox

It easily can happen mainly cause they can nowfocus even more now on other aspects then the engine since its already built.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one, TC.

I could see both scoring 8.5. However I'm hyping both AAA. But why am I judging games that aren't out for like 9 months again?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

Believe it baby. :P

I know it's silly to call things this early, and i'll gladly accept ownage if i'm wrong, but i just don't see it happening. Gears of War 2, even though bigger and better than the original in nearly every way, demonstrated that despite that people just weren't as hyped to play the game as they were when it was fresh and new. Even if Gears of War 3 fixes all of the multiplayer woes, i just don't see it doing enough to justify a third AAA score for what looks from early screens to be essentially the same formula for the third time.

As for Killzone 3, i think Killzone 2 barely got AAA on Gamespot. It was a good game, by all means, but not the epic uppercut of awesomeness that many were hoping it would be, and interest for it seemed to just flat-out die mere weeks after it released. Killzone 3 is releasing too soon to have any meaningful graphical update, and as such i think will suffer from more of the same syndrome and knock it down into the AA range.

I may be wrong. For the sake of good gaming i hope i am. But that's how i'm calling it. :P

Burning_Sun

That's like saying SMG "barely" got a 10. Games get the scores the reviewers think they deserve.There's no way to tell whether it barely got it or not.

This same logic can be applied to any sequel coming out. Especially for those we hardly know anything about. I don't agree with it.

Too early to tell.

Oh also since I'm back in this thread. Given how much praise Kevin V gave it in his review, how he is when he gives a game a AAA or better score, and how much praise and defending he did when Killzone 2 won shooter of the year(this his posting on the forums). I would say it wasn't barely a 9.0. I think von Ord would argue that Killzone 2 more than deserves the 9.0. Honestly if a few more things were ironed out or done better he probably wouldn't have hesitated to give it a 9.5

Also for the "more of the same complaint" Halo. More of the same essentially with more improvements in terms of how much content it gives from game to game. yet Halo 1, 2, 3 are all AAA games on metacritic/gamespot. ODST was also still able to get AA average on MC and AAA on gamespot while being a glorified expansion. If my beloved Halo can pull it off(and countless others). Than Killzone 3 and Gears of War 3 sticking to a formula that works won't be much of a complaint. It didn't hurt God of War 3 now did it?

I think both will score very well, and I think both getting AAAs is very possible.

I think both are going to score AAA just due to the notion that both will probably provide great MP experiences and decent campaigns.

Killzone 2s AAA seems pretty legit. Kevin V had high praise mostly for the multiplayer and gunplay. I personally agree that MP is awesome, and the gunplay was satisfying(although controls could be smoother). That said The single player was nothing short of mediocre at best. Horribly cookie cutter, poorly paced, attrocious level design, and quite frankly unsatisfying AI :? I never ever understood the massive praise that the AI gets in Killzone 2. They aren't that smart? or that engaging, or that fun to fight. Quite frankly the helghast suck. Oh and Radec deserves praise for being so incredibly lame and still getting so much fan praise. What the hell made him cool? he looked cool. The fight with him was wack, and his voice was annoying. Anti-Badass to the last letter. As for vasari. I think he's not all that good either. I personally thought the speeches almost tried too hard to show off some helghan bravvado, and ugh the story. Yeah as you can see I have a night and day opinion with Killzone 2. It's Multiplayer is fantastic and one of the best MP games to play. Especially with how good the core mechanics are(for the most part), but the single player? Well that's poop to sum it up nicely. jg4xchamp

I really didn't want to take part in this discussion but this post got me trolled :? The SP in KZ2 is one of the best this gen. SP maps are beautiful and well thought-out. AI is easily the best since F.E.A.R. 1 on PC.

They aren't that smart? or that engaging, or that fun to fight.jg4xchamp

The only thing that can justify this statement is your personal dislike for the game. Most KZ2 players will disagree on this.

Oh, and on Call of Pripyat - it is the different kind of the game and I agree that it is miles above any of the linear scripted shooters.

HA No.

While I don't care either way what Gears 3 scores as I wasn't impressed with 2. I highly doubt KZ3 will score less than AAA. There is not a chance KZ2 "barely" scored AAA. Kevin-V (and staff) had nothing but praise for it and it beat out both a Call of Duty and Halo game for SGOTY last year and best competitive MP.

I mean beating those two games is no small feat coming from GG who never produced a game above A here on GS. I just can't see how they won't improve on KZ2 in every respect.

If they improve upon the previous games then they'll get AAA easily.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Killzone 2s AAA seems pretty legit. Kevin V had high praise mostly for the multiplayer and gunplay. I personally agree that MP is awesome, and the gunplay was satisfying(although controls could be smoother). That said The single player was nothing short of mediocre at best. Horribly cookie cutter, poorly paced, attrocious level design, and quite frankly unsatisfying AI :? I never ever understood the massive praise that the AI gets in Killzone 2. They aren't that smart? or that engaging, or that fun to fight. Quite frankly the helghast suck. Oh and Radec deserves praise for being so incredibly lame and still getting so much fan praise. What the hell made him cool? he looked cool. The fight with him was wack, and his voice was annoying. Anti-Badass to the last letter. As for vasari. I think he's not all that good either. I personally thought the speeches almost tried too hard to show off some helghan bravvado, and ugh the story. Yeah as you can see I have a night and day opinion with Killzone 2. It's Multiplayer is fantastic and one of the best MP games to play. Especially with how good the core mechanics are(for the most part), but the single player? Well that's poop to sum it up nicely. Orchid87

I really didn't want to take part in this discussion but this post got me trolled :? The SP in KZ2 is one of the best this gen. SP maps are beautiful and well thought-out. AI is easily the best since F.E.A.R. 1 on PC.

They aren't that smart? or that engaging, or that fun to fight.jg4xchamp

The only thing that can justify this statement is your personal dislike for the game. Most KZ2 players will disagree on this.

Oh, and on Call of Pripyat - it is the different kind of the game and I agree that it is miles above any of the linear scripted shooters.

If Halo ODST can, then these certainly have great chances of being AAA.Watch_My_6

Killzone and Gears shouldn't be in the same sentence. Killzone 2 sucks just like Killzone 1. It's such a boring, pretty shooter. It's like Crysis without the fun and epicness.VALikimlav

Uncharted scored 8.0. Uncharted 2 scored 9.5. Anything is possible.

foxhound_fox

yeah but unfortunately for Uncharted it came out in 2007 when apparently anything related to PS3 sucked, specially its exclusives.. For those who played games it was more than clear that many review scores for games such as Motorstorm, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Folklore, Heavenly Sword & Resistance 1 where quite unfair..

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Uncharted scored 8.0. Uncharted 2 scored 9.5. Anything is possible.

Malta_1980

yeah but unfortunately for Uncharted it came out in 2007 when apparently anything related to PS3 sucked, specially its exclusives.. For those who played games it was more than clear that many review scores for games such as Motorstorm, Uncharted, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, Folklore, Heavenly Sword & Resistance 1 where quite unfair..