NEW Backward Compatibility patent filed Yesterday 02/21/2019 by Sony.

@son-goku7523 said:

@kingtito said:

@son-goku7523 said:

@kingtito said:

"I don't buy new consoles to play old games" -said all cows

"Gamers don't care about BC, BC isn't needed" - Sony

"Rumble is last gen"settles lawsuit "meet next gen rumble" - Sony

"Online gaming should always be free" Sony starts charging "I'm ok with paying because Sony gives me free games" - all cows

Geez it's no wonder you're considered the clowns of SWs.

These consoles negate your argument.

PS3 had full BC with PS1 and PS2 (not emulation like XB1) last gen and no one from the Xbox camp was eager to buy one. What changed for you guys?

How so? Cows have been saying all gen BC wasn't needed and didn't buy new consoles to play old games. Those console in no way invalidate what I've said here. Nice try though

X1s BC wasn't even supposed to happen due to the differences between the 360 and X1 architecture. It was a bonus that cows tried to shit on but now you're all for it.

Yeah, clowns of SWs

Post evidence of cows "shitting" on BC, I'll wait.

You can't jus sit down here and be posting crap you made up, you need evidence to back up such a claim.

LOLOLOL you must be new or an alt pretending to be new. Either way I really don't care if you believe it or not since cows know the truth.

And you can't come in on a new account made this year and tell someone who's been here since the early 2000s what did or didn't happen. You're new booty, do some research before you start popping off at the mouth son.

@kingtito said:

@son-goku7523 said:

@kingtito said:

@son-goku7523 said:

These consoles negate your argument.

PS3 had full BC with PS1 and PS2 (not emulation like XB1) last gen and no one from the Xbox camp was eager to buy one. What changed for you guys?

How so? Cows have been saying all gen BC wasn't needed and didn't buy new consoles to play old games. Those console in no way invalidate what I've said here. Nice try though

X1s BC wasn't even supposed to happen due to the differences between the 360 and X1 architecture. It was a bonus that cows tried to shit on but now you're all for it.

Yeah, clowns of SWs

Post evidence of cows "shitting" on BC, I'll wait.

You can't jus sit down here and be posting crap you made up, you need evidence to back up such a claim.

LOLOLOL you must be new or an alt pretending to be new. Either way I really don't care if you believe it or not since cows know the truth.

And you can't come in on a new account made this year and tell someone who's been here since the early 2000s what did or didn't happen. You're new booty, do some research before you start popping off at the mouth son.

You've go nothing then, I knew it.

You made a claim without evidence and instead of providing evidence you're attacking the party requesting evidence, typical crazed fanboy tactic. I know your type lol

I'm glad you guys like BC. Many cows here for around 8-10 years hated the idea of it.

Cult.

I prefer emulation over hardware BC as you can greatly improve the games vs the original hardware they were made for. We're also at a time where games tend to hold up much better over time vs. the old days. I have ZERO desire to play any PS1 games(the early 3d hardware doesn't hold up well at all). PS2 era games NEED some heavy duty clean up to look presentable nowdays. Last gen games hold up pretty well, and this gens games should hold up very well next gen.

The xbox one is still gonna end up selling about 50 million consoles this gen, that is hardly a "struggle to remain relevant".

Sony has yet to show that previous gen purchases move from system to system, so I'm going to assume that your library doesn't carry over until SONY actually says that's what they intend to do(I think these patents about BC are going to be so you can play PSNow games natively next gen rather than just streaming). So far every purchase I've made on XBL has carried forward to new systems. Not the case for either Sony or Nintendo.

@son-goku7523 said:

@kingtito said:

@son-goku7523 said:

@kingtito said:

@son-goku7523 said:

These consoles negate your argument.

PS3 had full BC with PS1 and PS2 (not emulation like XB1) last gen and no one from the Xbox camp was eager to buy one. What changed for you guys?

How so? Cows have been saying all gen BC wasn't needed and didn't buy new consoles to play old games. Those console in no way invalidate what I've said here. Nice try though

X1s BC wasn't even supposed to happen due to the differences between the 360 and X1 architecture. It was a bonus that cows tried to shit on but now you're all for it.

Yeah, clowns of SWs

Post evidence of cows "shitting" on BC, I'll wait.

You can't jus sit down here and be posting crap you made up, you need evidence to back up such a claim.

LOLOLOL you must be new or an alt pretending to be new. Either way I really don't care if you believe it or not since cows know the truth.

And you can't come in on a new account made this year and tell someone who's been here since the early 2000s what did or didn't happen. You're new booty, do some research before you start popping off at the mouth son.

You've go nothing then, I knew it.

You made a claim with evidence and instead of providing evidence you're attacking the party requesting evidence, typical crazed fanboy tactic. I know your type lol

Play def, dumb and blind, I know the truth, cows know the truth, sheep know the truth, hermits know the truth, lems know the truth and manticores know the truth. You don't because you've only been here for a short time. You're clueless and that much is evident with each and every post.

Clowns of SWs and that means you ban dodger.

Dude. Every month there are 3-4 fresh accounts talking about cows, sheep, hermits and other SW lingo and quoting my post history from years ago.

There is a group of cows constantly making alts. It's tiring as hell.

I already know a few of them are Giovela, VGKING, and ReCloud.

Lol so after making fun of lemmings an entire generation everytime they spoke of bc on their Xbox, now box and the other cows all of a sudden thinks bc is a good thing??? You can’t make this stuff up:)!!

@boxrekt said:

@cainetao11 said:

Who wants to play old games?

Gamers apparently, and so do I.

Not sure you know this or not but "old games" somehow didn't matter last gen to a certain demographic you're affiliated with.

It's cute to pretend MS has done something special this gen with their limited BC but let's pretend that Sony didn't have the best BC implementation generations before and actually was at 100%.

But I'm sure "old games" wont matter to you anymore once Sony shows how it's properly done.

I bet you are.

I still have a 60 gig phat PS3 because I like BC.

It would be really nice to see.

It's about to be overtaken by the recently released Switch while getting outsold more than 2 to 1 by the PS4 which will be well over 100 million consoles by the end of the gen. I'd say that's struggling to remain relevant.

Still waiting for your evidence. If what you claim is true then finding evidence should be a mouse click away but instead you're trying desperately to dodge my request lol. Crazy fanboy.

Try reading kid. You'll see it

Shhhhhh we have new booty here who thinks cows haven't bad mouthed BC this entire gen. That is, until rumors have Sony's PS5 fully BC.

Cows truly are the clowns of SWs

Where can I read it boy, provide a link. You made a claim now back up that claim.

But but we don't like to play old games upscaled to 4k. Silly cows, get with the program.

You're here son. Look and ye shall find. Of course I know you won't because you're a typical cow...in other words you're a clown.

You have nothing. For such a claim you can't find any evidence supporting it.

Proving once again you pulled it out of your ass lol.

Sure kid, keep telling yourself that.

Lol yeah I'm sure if PS5 is BC, everyone will love old games again (including the media).

Yep... you can almost guarantee that if MS wasn't pushing BC then there's no way in hell Sony would've done it. This is why competition is good.

@kingtito: LOL whatever you say King. Sounds like I struck a nerve.

We all knew PS4 wouldn't have BC from the start. No biggie though, I rather use my PS3 since it's 100% BC while Sony nickles/dimes out of remasters. It ain't that hard to switch from consoles to consoles but Pedro's post makes no sense however.

No one couldn't blame Sony for lack of PS4 BC due to the Cells of PS3. It was impossible to do but now, it will when PS5 arrives, you'll BC. Even using digital shouldn't be a problem.

PS-PS4 full, physical backwards compatibility on the PS5 along with Ghost of Tsushima?

Done. Day one.

I am all for retro gaming but I am firm believer that ALL old games should be playable on the newer systems. That's why I am still a fan of the old PS3 which was the only console that I can think of that was compatible with three generations of games. But with the digital age, all of the physical old games should be available for purchase digitally. You will be able to play any of your retro games without swapping or switching systems. A win for all except for the gamers that favor the look, feel, touch and smell of the older systems.

Yup

I don't think they could do much the PS4 CPU is incapable of emulating Cell at all,MS can because the xbox 360 CPU was a joke it was weak and can be emulated easy.

Sony had BC on its consoles before the xbox even existed...lol

Well look at it this way the Switch has not BC the PS4 has not BC yet are selling like hot cakes and the console with partial BC isn't even close.

What does that tell you.

BC is a nice feature on launch when few games are available 3 years or so into the gen who cares,didn't see many lemmings here riding on BC last gen they were to busy playing MS barrage of 90's games to care for it.

I guess BC is more something you really need on xbox rather than something most people want and simply is because the xbox one game line up is sad.

If the Playstation gets native BC next-gen, i'll be happy.

@tormentos: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Jim Ryan still said it. LOL

And he was just promoted to EU head of Sony Interactive. "also said they must protect the children from Crossplay" and other hits like " no one wants to play old games" " Old games look terrible" Don't forget Andrew house is gone now too, and they are running arrogant as ever.

If they don't at least do BC for PS4 would be a huge mistake.

He didn't care 2 shits about BC last gen he was to busy playing MS superior multiplatforms on 360 and other high rated 360 games.lol

The fun part about this is how lemmings for years claimed here the PS3 had no games,the damn PS3 was compatible on launch with more than 6,000 games from 2 generations instant classics from GTA to Final Fantasy,MGS,Tekken,MK,VF,DOA,MvsC2 all fighting games basically cover,Gran turismo the best ones,it was staggering the amount of games available it make the xbox one backward compatibility look as total and complete garbage.

But some how the PS3 had no games..lol

This gen this people were hyped by red dead redemption from 360 and the game even charted used a damn month..lol This is how sad lemmings are.

The moment the PS get BC is the moment BC stop mattering again as simple as that,it would be epic if sony was able to emulate all its previous systems,some lemmings would instantly abandon the forum and another bunch of alts account will be born just like it happen from 2013 to now.

Is the way they emulate the games what is been patent and sony did own patents for emulation,they bought Bleem years ago which basically was a PS1 emulator.

No you are consider the clown of SW.

Lemmings didn't care about BC and i can officially quote lemmings downplaying the PS3 as having no games,when in reality the system had more games available to it than the 360 ever had from day 1,but back then BC didn't matter because Halo,Gears and Forza were 90's games,because Ghost Recon,mass effect,bioshock and many other 90's games were also time exclusive for MS so lemmings simply didn't care.

BC on PS3 make the xbox 360 BC look like crap and the xbox one even more,it wasn't even close 2 of the machines with most games ever made were basically fully compatible.

Oh look it that guy who still ok with MS charging for free to play games..lol

But remember you didn't care about graphics only to care 4 years latter when the tempo of the song changed so we know your angle.

@tormentos: I think you are still suffering from PTSD from last gen. So glad I was not here for that.

Things are changing bro, it's going to be shocking at first but make sense later.

Next Gen BC as much as I want it, will mean much less than it did this gen, cause Steam was up and running to full capacity this whole gen, meaning every game is on Steam. Unlike last gen, where people were still buying games in Big Box well into this decade, so a lot of games just aren't available on Steam, and when Xbox was only one with BC, a lot of console only games because exclusive to Xbox One, or 7th gen PS3/360.

Now if they let me play my huge PS2 library of discs on the PS5, that will be another story.

Just figured that PS4 backwards compatibility was a given, but if they can pull of PS1, PS2 or PS3 also then I'll be impressed! Maybe even PS Vita since it's not in production anymore. Like a card slot on the console I mean, that would be neat.

What's the matter el tormented? You can't handle what cows and Sony have said in the past? Clown you are

It wasn't lemmings bashing free BC now was it. It was lemmings making comments such as "I don't buy new consoles to play old games" "BC isn't needed or wanted" that was you cows.

And that has what to do with BC exactly? Trying to change the narrative because you look like cows always do, hypocrites?

Trying to deflect and change the narrative again El tormented? BC with X1 was a bonus, MS said it wasn't going to come yet it did and it's free. Can the PS4 say the same? Nope, you actually have to PAY for your form of BC and because it's Sony, you happily do it. Such a clown

I'm ok with it because I don't pay to play online games on any of my consoles. Guess my being "ok" with it means not actually paying....so my wallet is doing the talking. At least I didn't bash something for an entire gen only to turn around and accept it when your favorite company did it. You bent over like a pro el tormented..congrats.

Oh you mean like how cares cared about graphics and created DF thread after DF thread only to NOT care once the X1X came out? That kind of caring? Sorry I couldn't hear you over your hypocritical words.

Clowns of SWs

The only way I would possibly care about this is if the PS5 is PS1/2/3 compatible, as I don't often hook up those old systems anymore, and there are plenty of games on them I still want to play/haven't played yet.

And then there's the fact that the idea of a bc PS5 makes lems go nuts. So that's a plus too, I guess.

@subspecies: "And then there's the fact that the idea of a bc PS5 makes lems go nuts."

Seems like you probably more interested in that then the actual bc itself.

That's great. Now it's the waiting game/

Trophies lulz

@PSP107: Seems as though I've struck a nerve.

@subspecies: I don't think lems care one way or another. I personally find it funny that it's assumed that the ps5 being able to play older games natively is being taken as a definite that it means bc for games you own. Im gonna laugh if Sony only uses it to run psnow games downloaded to the console.

BC matters again I see to cows, stay hypocritical and alting lol.

Will laugh my arse off if Sony announce PS Now version 2 for PS5, if that happens it will be a glorious day.

@kingtito: I wouldn't waste your time with goku because its just another alt of quacks. The mods will get to his latest alt sooner or later :)

I have ps4 games that I bought but never once played, glad the BC is coming. I dont know if I will ever play those game but glad the library carries forward.

@Steppy_76: Well the only reason I think lems care about the PS5 being bc is because they're up in pretty much every thread about it, every time. I mean, just look at this thread. Clearly they care.

1.Did you buy your xbox one to play xbox 360 games?

Did you buy your 360 to play original xbox games?

I sure didn't buy a NEW console to play old games,if i would be able to play them that would simply be a nice bonus.

2-Thanks we all know BC was an after though of MS after they got their ass kick,but emulating the xbox 360 isn't complicated at all,the GPU inside the xbox 360 was already from AMD and the xbox 360 CPU is a joke that can be emulated even by a shitty jaguar.

Cell on the other hand isn't and if sony emulated GPU calls of Nvidia hardware they would have been force to pay for BC,just like MS had to do when they emulated original xbox game on 360 they had to pay a royalty to Nvidia.

So you want proof that people keep their old consoles? Hahahahahaa

Why don't you prove that people don't your shitty anecdotal evidence means nothing,prove that every one sell its platform after they get a new one.

Worse selling the xbox 360 back on 2013 would have let you without games and a platform since BC wasn't announce for xbox one on 2013 it was something that was announce latter after launch so yeah again you are lying as always to fit your shitty argument.

Officially if you sold your 360 on launch you would have nothing to play its game on the xbox one didn't get BC until 2015,in fact it was announce by MS on E3 2015.

Yeah just like P2P was great last gen on 360 side and this gen is dedicated servers or nothing,which turn also to be a lie most xbox one games are still P2P as well.

Just like Blu-ray was bad but this gen was great.

Just like who cares about mods or cross play last gen and this gen oh we need cross play and mods.

Please dude stop,how great was last gen when you were paying double dip for netflix?

No but they charged for PS+ which was games already it was coming,and unlike you silly lemming i don't see cows saying how great is sony for charging in fact is one fu** up move in my eyes,and charging for online play is wrong no matter who does it,but you hypocrites were fast to point the finger when in reality you should be doing with sony what you did with MS,you know.

Things cost money.

Break live cost over 365 days to make it look cheap.

Claim the money goes for better online service.

Use gas,electricity,mortgage,cell phones bills to justify paying for it.

Shit Like ^^ is what you should have say this gen instead of trying to attack sony for something MS has been doing for 11 years before sony even started doing it and something you people defended at broken back.

Oh wait i remember now that you own 3 xbox one including a X model and some how you don't pay for xbox live..Hahahahahaa

You are a total liar and we know how you love to make argument to order to fit your agenda.

You can still add effect while using hardware BC,in fact the PS2 had an option to smooth textures of PS1 games.

Take into account this was on 2000 when video card effects were on its infancy compare to how they are today,and in fact many effects that use to be software based in the old days were moved to be hardware supported,in other words hardware was added to support the feature natively.

Example of this is Virtual texturing,which is know as Partially Resident Textures or as MS sold it on xbox one as tile resources which is basically hardware level virtual texturing.

PS now reason of been is streaming,natively i don't think they want to do that,and PS Now is not BC is a rental service.

I am sure laughing at the Cows on how BC matters so much now. LOL

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/cows-ps3-doesnt-have-sales-or-games-25620963/

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps3-has-no-games-putting-an-end-to-the-myth-25849600/

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/is-the-ps3-basically-finished-25729743/

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/ps1-games-ps2-games-ps2s-game-library-25706554/

This ^^ one in special is funny because it ask directly if the PS1 library = PS2 library as well since the PS2 was design to play PS1 games,and that would also mean ps1 +ps2 library = PS3 games as well.

Oh and there were people refuting that notion,the other links are about the PS3 not having games,as you can see no one cared about BC when the PS3 kicked the shit out of the 360 game wise it wasn't even close.

BC was shitty on 360 as well not as bad as the xbox one but shitty as well since it was on a game by game basis as well and not all games worked,on PS3 you have 2 full generation of games more than 6,000 games and lemmings didn't care that is history is there.

SpecialForcesOp said:

Hell no PS1 games = PS1 Libary

PS2 = PS2 Libary

PS3 = PS3 Libary.

thejakel11225 said:

ofcourse not, ps1 games are ps1 games, ps2 games are ps2 games, thats it. its like considering the Wii's virtual console games part of the Wii's library.

Gallion-Beast said:

Libraries are used to judge a console's individual worth for gamers that already game. lf l got a PS3 and it's library was as big and great as all PS1+PS2+currently existing PS3 games put together, it'd be the most badass console in the world. But since l'm a gamer and l already have PS1+PS2 games and consoles that can play them, it doesn't add to the library for me.

Wow so you see BC was use as ammo and people refuse the notion,so BC counts for the xbox,but when the PS3 had more than 6,000 games from 2 gens before it didn't matter,regardless of been probably the biggest BC ever done outside PC.

The Snes was no BC with the Nes,the N64 wasn't with the Snes,the GC wasn't with the N64,the Genesis wasn't BC with the master system,neither was the saturn with the genesis,basically BC was pushed by sony with the PS2 and then continue with the PS3.

Unlike you i don't feel the need to invent crap and lie to fit my argument.

So the moment the PS get BC again is the moment you will stop caring again.

Dahaka-UK said:

I guess you might be right in saying PS1 games are part of PS2 games libary because you can play PS1 games on a PS2... but thats doesn't change the fact that they are still only PS1 games and older gen games and I doubt many peoples decisions back then to buying a PS2 where based off knowing you could play PS1 games aswell, people wanted next gen games, the PS2 games.. Same now, you wouldn't buy a PS3 just to play older gen games, you'd buy it to play next gen games I would think..

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Oh wait isn't that what i already told you?

So i was right who the fu** buys a $600 PS3 to play PS1 and PS2 games?

I surely would not buy a damn $400 PS4 to play PS3 games,which is a long ass gen probably the longest ever,i was happy to move on to something new,and you didn't buy an xbox one to play 360 games ,support for 360 games was announce on summer 2015 almost 2 years after the xbox one launch.

Hahahahahaaa...

Tormentos ready with Google lol.

Did I slam X1 for having BC? Did I trash any of the previous consoles for having BC? Nope, that distinction belongs solely to cows. Kind of dumb question for you to ask but that's par for the course with you

Who said they did but who bashed 1 console for having it when it wasn't even supposed to be a feature this gen? Which faction claimed it wasn't even used for wanted by the majority of gamers? Hint.....it's cows on both accounts. Once again you're absolutely clueless when it comes to reading comprehension huh?

Actually it was a welcomed bonus from MS after MS saying BC wouldn't be possible. Cows were the only ones bashing a free feature for a console they didn't own.

He made the claim that most people keep their old consoles, so yeah proof is needed. I know it's that pesky reading comprehension of yours

Lying about what El tormented? Did I say BC was on the X1 from the start? I know I know, you have poor understanding of anything you read. We know

P2P servers have what to do with what in this conversation? Here's a hint.....nothing. Good lord you're lost

So MS charged for Netflix? You do know LIVE fees weren't specifically for Netflix right? Right? You're so bad at understanding basic shit I highly doubt it. You tell me how great it was since I didn't pay for LIVE for almost the entire gen.

But it was a better service and more secure. Don't recall LIVE going down for a month because of a hack in which Sony kept account info in a plain text file hahahahahaahaha LOLOLOLOLOL WTF

You see that line right there is proof of your piss poor reading comprehension skills. I've OWNED not own you clown. I've OWNED(past tense in case you don't know) the OG X1 but sold it. I've OWNED(once again past tense) the X1S but gave it to my daughter(technically still mine but not really). I OWN(current) an X1X. You think that's out of the realm of possibility? Hahaha how sad it that. As far as paying for LIVE, why would I. I don't online game on my consoles so why would I have the need to pay for LIVE. Something else you can't seem to grasp. How do you function on a daily basis el tormented? Asking seriously

Coming from the guy that begged someone on another forum to send a pic of his 360 with your name hahahaah. Oh and pot meet kettle.

Serioulsy, learn how to understand what you read but until then continue to be the clown of SWs that we all know you to be

I'm hoping its BC with every Sony home console. That alone would make it a day 1 buy.

Lol... he must have such a fulfilling life.

Umm what do those links have anything to do with I've said about cows and BC? Did I argue about having no games? Ohhhhhh I get it, you didn't understand the conversation. It's that darn reading comprehension getting in the way again. Get that looked at el tormented

WTF does THAT have to do with THIS conversation and cows hypocritical 180 on BC? Nothing el tormented. Damn son you're a clown

Oh you're playing the victim card. I get it, the old trusty drumpf supporter argument "bbbbaabbbuuuuttt you did this" how sad is that. Stay on topic or create a cow circle jerk so you cry together.