New Call of Duty Review - Did We All Underestimate Treyarch?

It doesn't deserve that score AFAIK.

The beta was fun, but man it really felt like a CoD4 mod. It's just a complete lack of effort from Treyarch with a few tweaks. They're mainly riding on the success of CoD4.

mo0ksi

MP first time i was like whaaaa!!?  Stopping power, extreme conditioning, juggernaut, etc.. This is the same thing!  Everything looks the same as well.  

Come on guys, we have to accept that despite using Infinity Ward's engine Treyarch still had to put in some hard work to make it happen. I mean why are we detracting from the game that the engine is same as last time, it works doesn't it? If ain't broke...

Treyarch would still have to design a completely different enviroment, no more browns of bald Middle Eastern desert, now lush tropical jungles. It's not Far Cry, but it's clearly more than just a mod. They would have had to write a different story, design different levels, with different weapons and enemies with different tactics.

They also made imrpovements. For example I thought that the artillery bombing in the beta felt a lot more terrifying than the airstrike in COD4. People also need to stop making up their minds based on what a game looks like. Accept it, it's a different war!

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As for WaW...blech. I don't care what some guy on the internet says, the videos I've seen have looked pants. Same old same old. Haven't even bothered downloading the demo. That's how much I care. Behold my low amount of caring. Co-op is the only thing that seems mildly appealing. Multiplayer is a CoD4 WW2 mod, seems to be the concensus. For singleplayer you run n gun through spammy enemies with no brains. Such fun.

All Treyarch did was slap a WWII skin on CoD4, and IMO WWII weapons are boring. This game is an expansion, they couldn't even name it CoD5. Don't give Treyarch credit, where credit isn't due. Yeah, they workd radar into WWII nicely, and killer dogs are the perfect replacement for a helicopter :roll:Couth_

I wonder what CoD5 will be like... Oh, an expansion pack to 4 :| 

I dont think they deserve the priase you are giving them. They just took Infinity Ward's game brushed it up a bit. Its not like they build this COD from the ground up, they had a superb foundation to work from. Now had COD4 never been made, how much do u want to bet that COD:WaW would be the same derivitive trash as the COD3?II_Seraphim_II

why should IW get c praised for CoD4? after all, it was pretty muhc just a miledly improved CoD2.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]I dont think they deserve the priase you are giving them. They just took Infinity Ward's game brushed it up a bit. Its not like they build this COD from the ground up, they had a superb foundation to work from. Now had COD4 never been made, how much do u want to bet that COD:WaW would be the same derivitive trash as the COD3?warmaster670

why should IW get c praised for CoD4? after all, it was pretty muhc just a miledly improved CoD2.

But who made the formula that CoD2 is???  not treyarch thats for sure.

[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]I dont think they deserve the priase you are giving them. They just took Infinity Ward's game brushed it up a bit. Its not like they build this COD from the ground up, they had a superb foundation to work from. Now had COD4 never been made, how much do u want to bet that COD:WaW would be the same derivitive trash as the COD3?warmaster670

why should IW get c praised for CoD4? after all, it was pretty muhc just a miledly improved CoD2.

:lol: What? You may not like COD4, but it was definitely a big step for the franchise. IW>>>Treyarch

of course did people underestimate Treyarch (Read: this game).

They build it on the same engine as COD4 which is proven to be golden. Plus Treyarch managed to make it different enough from COD4.

I think it'll get atleast a 8.5 here on GS as well

COD:WAW looks like it'll be a solid game.

As for Treyarch, it was nothing but a cut-n-paste job.

MortalDecay

Cut-n-Paste? How is that, it only used the same engine, everything else was Treyarchs doing.

Treyarch has put Infinity Ward on notice! I knew since the WAW beta this game was amazing and now I am seeing the reviewers agree as well.

The Nazi zombie mode alone is worth 60 bucks and looks much better than left 4 dead.

I like WW2 themes. Modern Warfare story is fictional, never the less I liked it. Although again Russians are the bad guys which become a standard in movies, games...

Like I said WW2 campaign will be enough for me to buy the game which I read is longer than COD4 . Multiplayer co-op and competitive is like COD4 with little improvements.

All of this in my opinion will make slightly better game than COD4. :D

But I'll miss optical sight. :(

And zombie mode. :D:D

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[QUOTE="II_Seraphim_II"]I dont think they deserve the priase you are giving them. They just took Infinity Ward's game brushed it up a bit. Its not like they build this COD from the ground up, they had a superb foundation to work from. Now had COD4 never been made, how much do u want to bet that COD:WaW would be the same derivitive trash as the COD3?tmntPunchout

why should IW get c praised for CoD4? after all, it was pretty muhc just a miledly improved CoD2.

But who made the formula that CoD2 is???  not treyarch thats for sure.

so? the point was that it uses alot from CoD4, well whether IW made CoD2 or not, CoD4 is still really similar, yet i see no one trying to call CoD4 a CoD2 mod/expansion as an sad insult.

[QUOTE="tmntPunchout"][QUOTE="warmaster670"]

 

why should IW get c praised for CoD4? after all, it was pretty muhc just a miledly improved CoD2.

warmaster670

But who made the formula that CoD2 is???  not treyarch thats for sure.

so? the point was that it uses alot from CoD4, well whether IW made CoD2 or not, CoD4 is still really similar, yet i see no one trying to call CoD4 a CoD2 mod/expansion as an sad insult.

You know they all ended up copying COD1... ;)

LOL I like how Treyarch finally made a great game, and all they're getting is hate.  They may use the CoD4 engine, but you need more than a good engine to make a great game. They had to do things like create all new level designs, they've added features like the attack dogs, they've redone the AI... These things take a lot of time and work to get right and balance.

I understand how people feel and want to give IW proper credit, but Treyarch deserves credit too. 

Wow, this the third review of the game I've seen give a score above 9. Perhaps we were too quick to underestimate Treyarch?

http://n4g.com/pc/News-229434.aspx

I'll be frank: Idid not expect Call of Duty: World at War to even come anywhere close to the bar set by Modern Warfare. With Treyarch's mediocre past entries and adeviation from the successful Modern Warfare setting, many would have expected this game to fail to capture the hearts of shooter fans this holiday season. Shockingly, Treyarch has proven the naysayers wrong, building on the success of all previous Call of Duty games and introducing their own successful features and twists, thus creating one of the most fully-featured, high-quality value gaming experiences of the year: I'll never automatically rule out abig-budget Treyarch project ever again.

Score Breakdown:

Gameplay: 9.0 – The most refined and feature-complete Call of Duty yet. The linear campaign remains, but the combined additions of aJapanese foeand some new weapons don't hurt. New modes like Co-op, Nazi Zombies, and War add alot of variety and options to the game.

Presentation: 9.5 – Surprisingly visceral and violent, World at War captures the impact and emotion of 20th-century military conflict. Be warned: this game is not for the squeamish.

Graphics: 9.5 – Great looking characters and environments with nary aframe drop in sight. Smoke and environmental effects are spectacularly dense and the new tropical island setting is anice new direction for the series.

Sound: 9.5 – Spectacular sound effects and voice acting really capture the intensity and desperation of the battlefield. Music is emotionally-fitting and appropriate as well... excluding the occasional rock/metal elements.

Value: 10 – World at War is the most feature-complete installment of the franchise. With adecent-length campaign, three cooperative modes (including the pulse-pounding but addictive Nazi Zombies) and afully-featured multiplayer suite with ranking system and unlockables, World at War offers quite apunch for each dollar you spent on it.

Final Score: 9.5 – World at War is simultaneously the best and most value-packed installment of the franchise. It takes the intensity of Modern Warfare and adds enough modes and extra content for hundreds of hours of fun and intense shooting action.

 

dgsag

If what they are saying is true, then mabye it isn't all that bad. My concerns arn't for the quality, more so for concerns of bad taste. The inclusion of rock music is bad, really bad. Contemporary or not, it's a bad choice of music. For one, it dosn't even fit the era, and that says alot in it's self. The only thing that really fits are orchestral scores, anything else is just a weak attempt at trying to make WWII in to something it is not.

I'm still sore about Nazi zombies, think it's a horrible idea. This game will be condemed by Germany I can assure you of that, and rightfully so. 

If they do it right, and actually make you feel for the characters, and it dosn't try to uterly demonise everyone at the same time, then I can forgive them for the few mishaps they have had along the way (Such as that horrible trailer). For now I remain pesimistic until I see more reviews from reputable sources.

I knew way back when it was going to get good reviews. People are just so ignorant these days.... I mean after the success of CoD4 did you really think Treyarch would release something mediocre?Devourment423

Since Treyarch didn't make COD 4 it's would be VERY possible. It's pretty reasonable to expect them to make something mediocre. 

fantastic game...just finished it an hour ago and it deserves every bit of an AAA score. treyarch did an awesome job on this game and the deserve some respect...ninjaxams

fantastic game...just finished it an hour ago and it deserves every bit of an AAA score. treyarch did an awesome job on this game and the deserve some respect...ninjaxams

Treyarch haters are going to be owned by this game.

I always knew it was AAA material

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

same here....good to see that Treyarch has proven once and for all to all the blind haters.  

[QUOTE="Devourment423"]I knew way back when it was going to get good reviews. People are just so ignorant these days.... I mean after the success of CoD4 did you really think Treyarch would release something mediocre?heretrix

Since Treyarch didn't make COD 4 it's would be VERY possible. It's pretty reasonable to expect them to make something mediocre. 

I hope this teaches you all a lesson.

Just because a developer made bad games in the past does not mean they will on their next try. Looking at Killzone 2 and everyong is claiming it will suck because of the first one should take note of COD WaW and Treyarch.