New chip prevents PC game piracy(Hermits invincible?)

Speaking at yesterday's Wedbush Morgan Securities annual Management Access Conference, the Atari founder suggested that game piracy will soon be a thing of the past thanks to a new chip.

"There is a stealth encryption chip called a TPM that is going on the motherboards of most of the computers that are coming out now," he pointed out.

"What that says is that in the games business we will be able to encrypt with an absolutely verifiable private key in the encryption world - which is uncrackable by people on the internet and by giving away passwords - which will allow for a huge market to develop in some of the areas where piracy has been a real problem."

Bushnell thinks that piracy of movies and music, however, is probably unstoppable because "if you can watch it and you can hear it, you can copy it."

"Games are a different thing, because games are so integrated with the code. The TPM will, in fact, absolutely stop piracy of gameplay.

"As soon as the installed base of the TPM hardware chip gets large enough, we will start to see revenues coming from Asia and India at a time when before it didn't make sense."guru3d

no piracy? suuuuuuuuure...... im really going to believe that :roll:

it may diminuish it but it wont stop it

no piracy? suuuuuuuuure...... im really going to believe that :roll:

it may diminuish it but it wont stop it

st1ka

the way it seems to work, it would stop it for the future games. The main problem I see with this solution is that you need to make sure every company (gigabyte, nvidia...) install that chip on their motherboard.

[QUOTE="st1ka"]

no piracy? suuuuuuuuure...... im really going to believe that :roll:

it may diminuish it but it wont stop it

Franko_3

the way it seems to work, it would stop it for the future games. The main problem I see with this solution is that you need to make sure every company (gigabyte, nvidia...) install that chip on their motherboard.

people will just modchip those motherboards like they do today with consoles

That is probably the single worst possible DRM ever invented. Have to buy a new computer? Well, that means you have to buy new copies of all your games too!

Pirates can and always will surpass and crack anything while all the legitimate consumers will be stuck jumping through hoops to get their games to work.foxhound_fox

it won't stop you from playing older games. The encryption has to be implemented into the game.

Otherwise, legacy programs such as Office 2003 would fail to function as well.

That is probably the single worst possible DRM ever invented. Have to buy a new computer? Well, that means you have to buy new copies of all your games too!

Pirates can and always will surpass and crack anything while all the legitimate consumers will be stuck jumping through hoops to get their games to work.foxhound_fox

Don't have to buy a new computer, just pick up new P35 MB for $75..Those aren't the only ones backwards compatible with older chips such as Pentium D's that I'm sure will incorporate this chip.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

no piracy? suuuuuuuuure...... im really going to believe that :roll:

it may diminuish it but it wont stop it

st1ka

the way it seems to work, it would stop it for the future games. The main problem I see with this solution is that you need to make sure every company (gigabyte, nvidia...) install that chip on their motherboard.

people will just modchip those motherboards like they do today with consoles

nah, they will just buy motherboard from company that will not include this *chip*, why bother lol.

"which is uncrackable by people on the internet"

hahahahahahahaha, good luck with that, id give it a week, a month tops.

price of new required motherboard containing this chip: $100

the fact that PC game sales will not increase anyways: Priceless

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="Franko_3"][QUOTE="st1ka"]

no piracy? suuuuuuuuure...... im really going to believe that :roll:

it may diminuish it but it wont stop it

Franko_3

the way it seems to work, it would stop it for the future games. The main problem I see with this solution is that you need to make sure every company (gigabyte, nvidia...) install that chip on their motherboard.

people will just modchip those motherboards like they do today with consoles

nah, they will just buy motherboard from company that will not include this *chip*, why bother lol.

true

it won't stop you from playing older games. The encryption has to be implemented into the game.

Otherwise, legacy programs such as Office 2003 would fail to function as well.

mattbbpl

nah, they will just buy motherboard from company that will not include this *chip*, why bother lol.

Franko_3

They HAVE to include the chip if they want their MB to be considered for gaming. If not then everyone will just frenzy around the boards that do offer this chip, since it would be the only way to even play games.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]it won't stop you from playing older games. The encryption has to be implemented into the game.

Otherwise, legacy programs such as Office 2003 would fail to function as well.

foxhound_fox

Ah, I understand what you meant now. Well, that's illegal seeing as how you own the rights to the software. They'll have to set up some pain the butt way of reregistering the software with your new machine or something like that. Pretty darn awful considering the PC is all about freedom.

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]it won't stop you from playing older games. The encryption has to be implemented into the game.

Otherwise, legacy programs such as Office 2003 would fail to function as well.

foxhound_fox

By having a user account with the chip company, maybe? You could register multiple computers/chips to the same user. Would also fix having multiple pcs in one home. Just a thought.

Ah, I understand what you meant now. Well, that's illegal seeing as how you own the rights to the software. They'll have to set up some pain the butt way of reregistering the software with your new machine or something like that. Pretty darn awful considering the PC is all about freedom. mattbbpl

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]it won't stop you from playing older games. The encryption has to be implemented into the game.

Otherwise, legacy programs such as Office 2003 would fail to function as well.

travt-down

By having a user account with the chip company, maybe? You could register multiple computers/chips to the same user. Would also fix having multiple pcs in one home. Just a thought.

Just an FYI, but it's actually illegal to have most software programs installed on multiple machines in a single household. EULAs are usually defined on a single machine basis (home) or single seat basis (commercial).

good I hate pirates (when it comes to games only :P )mingo123

LOL indeed.

But if this does work, thank god. Piracy is a huge problem plaguing the game industry.

It will be circumvented within 48 hours of it's release.Relys

or maybe even BEFORE its release

So new mobos will have this chip?

This will take a while to start working, probably won't be fully effective until we move away from pci-e.

It will be circumvented within 48 hours of it's release.Relys

They'll only see it as a super challenge. Every nerd and pirate worth his salt and nerdy reputation will be salivating at the prospect of his username being famous worldwide as the person who was the first to crack the Super Anti-Piracy Chip.

They aren't going to stop piracy. Nobody will.

Hackers will find a way around that thing in a matter of weeks, maybe even days.

[QUOTE="Relys"]It will be circumvented within 48 hours of it's release.Hoobinator

They'll only see it as a super challenge. Every nerd and pirate worth his salt and nerdy reputation will be salivating at the prospect of his username being famous worldwide as the person who was the first to crack the Super Anti-Piracy Chip.

So, wanna place bets on how long it will take to crack this thing?

My imaginary internet money is on 14 hours.

[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Relys"]It will be circumvented within 48 hours of it's release.MetroidPrimePwn

They'll only see it as a super challenge. Every nerd and pirate worth his salt and nerdy reputation will be salivating at the prospect of his username being famous worldwide as the person who was the first to crack the Super Anti-Piracy Chip.

So, wanna place bets on how long it will take to crack this thing?

My imaginary internet money is on 14 hours.

4 days.

It's a stretch, but I'll be bold.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"][QUOTE="Hoobinator"]

[QUOTE="Relys"]It will be circumvented within 48 hours of it's release.tmatte

They'll only see it as a super challenge. Every nerd and pirate worth his salt and nerdy reputation will be salivating at the prospect of his username being famous worldwide as the person who was the first to crack the Super Anti-Piracy Chip.

So, wanna place bets on how long it will take to crack this thing?

My imaginary internet money is on 14 hours.

4 days.

It's a stretch, but I'll be bold.

2 weeks and 17 nerds dead from lack of sleep and hydration. It will become known as Black Nerdday: The day the nerds sacrificed themselves for freedom.

just remove the chip.

that was easy....

just remove the chip.

that was easy....

thegoldenpoo

Remove chip = No gameplay for you.

This wasn't really meant as a cure to piracy but a way to knock out torrent sites that have CD-keys and full copies.

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just remove the chip.

that was easy....

Pro_wrestler

Remove chip = No gameplay for you.

This wasn't really meant as a cure to piracy but a way to knock out torrent sites that have CD-keys and full copies.

they will find a way round it, then make chips of their own (see the ps2 for chipping)

the company that sells mb without this thing will make millionsKirlok

yep

Remove chip = No gameplay for you.

This wasn't really meant as a cure to piracy but a way to knock out torrent sites that have CD-keys and full copies.

Pro_wrestler

So, what you're saying is that games will require that chip to run ? Impossible.

How many people do you think are ready to buy a brand new computer JUST to play games ? If anything, that chip will screw the PC market even more.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

Remove chip = No gameplay for you.

This wasn't really meant as a cure to piracy but a way to knock out torrent sites that have CD-keys and full copies.

NWA_31

So, what you're saying is that games will require that chip to run ? Impossible.

How many people do you think are ready to buy a brand new computer JUST to play games ? If anything, that chip will screw the PC market even more.

I don't see why it's impossible. Millions of people purchase the latest video card and processor to meet the hardware requiremens, without which they're effectively locked out of playing it.

These are really nothing more than a hardware requirement on the motherboard.

I made a thread on Crysis online and people aren't too happy with this chip either.

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I refuse to have this trash inside my computer, IMHO, this is only going to hurt motherboard makers because people will simply refuse to buy the board.

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What the other guy said, motherboard makers who don't use this chip will probably see business from me.

Wait, you have to buy a mobo with it just to play certain games? If so they should hold off making games require it until some neccesary new technology advancement comes out that requires a new mobo. (new gpu slot, cpu socket, etc..)

this will never happen, if it does im not buying games that have the chip thingy or a chiped Mo-Bo,

this will kill PC gaming.

UGHH!!! There was another thread on this and I will reply with the same answer so you people who obviously KNOW NOTHING about computers stop posting your "theories".

If it's a chip, then there has to be a program to intiate it. I'm pretty sure they will be pirates (who love figuring this stuff out) that make a program to run on startup (just download and install) to disable it or to get around it. Trust me, pirates will stop this if not in the first few months, maybe in coming years, it will be cracked.