[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="DAZZER7"]
lol people are allowed to have an opinion you know!
DAZZER7
LoL but I want to know who has that opinion so I can see them try and justify it.There are a couple in this thread and in some of the other threads on this new video of Bad Company 2. I am curious, you seem to believe it would be impossible to justify Bad Company 2 being more technically superior than Uncharted 2. lol I can easily justify it.
Uncharted 2 has 1 post processing effect which makes it stand out, and that is depth of field, the game uses this effect a lot. Putting that aside, the trailer we saw of Bad Company 2 has (I'm not going to say better as the trailer wasn't clear enough) comparable textures, bump/normal mapping, real time shadows, particle effects, volumetric smoke and destructable environments. Its very hard to tell which would be using the most polys but Bad Company 2 appears to have the larger environments with much more in game assets being rendered at any given time.
You seem from your previous post awfully ready to dismiss any claim that Uncharted 2 may not be console graphics king?
LONG VERSION.....(SKIP ME)
BAD COMPANY 2 HD
UNCHARTED 2 HD
Based on these two videos, see 'em.
First of all I want to note that the quality of the animations in the two videos is highly disparate. Bad Company has good, realistic, apparently motion captured player model animations, but they are recycled on loops, albeit tastefully. The first person animations are very poor and are inferior to the third-person reload animations in UC2. That's sad. Obviously Uncharted 2 carries a far broader range of animations. The first Uncharted carried animations that blended and were contextual. You could seamlessly transition between animations....a trip animation, a stop and go animation, a roll, shooting, reloading, whatever, they actually blended. We don't see that in BFBC2, they're dramatically inferior.
Now some other things I want to talk about are the explosions and destructible environments. BFBC carries real-time destructible environments, which are interesting and contribute to the processor load as additional calculations have to be performed in real time. They also have a fair amount of carnage going on with a high player count. It was obviously intensive. However, take a look at this footage of UC 2 from E3 09:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-09-uncharted-2/51623
In it, at 2:40 you'll see destructible cover with volumetric smoke. There are destructible parts of the environment but the events appear entirely scripted. I would say that BFBC 2 has superior destructability in environments just with the sheer volume of things you can affect on the landscape. Virtually every building can be leveled. Even still, Uncharted 2 can equal it in this regard with destruction processed in real time and volumetric smoke.
Also, I'd like you to watch that second video I've linked to with regards to draw distances. Obviously, draw distances increase the amount of polys that need to be rendered and increase the processor load with the amount of crap that has to be affected by real-time physics and animations, along with textures and so on. Also central to that is dynamic LoD. With an aggressive DLoD, you lose details at longer distances while still retaining draw distance. At :40 in the Uncharted 2 vid you will see absolutely stupid draw distances that apparently go on for kilometers. I play a game called Red Orchestra that gives me a bit of experience with virtual draw distances, as they have tanks with adjustible sights with effective ranges of thousands of meters, so I've got some what of a feel as to how broad a draw distance it is, and I can tell you that the distances in that clip are well in excess of a kilometer, at least that's what my instincts say.
For comparison, the draw distances in the BFBC2 footage are very big, and very broad. I estimate that you can see at least for 200-300 meters at maximum in that footage, although it's difficult to tell how far the draw distance actually goes as a result of the fact that your effective view terminates due to a smoke shield at around 200-300 meters, sometimes less. I saw a building in the distance but I could not tell if it was a 3d render or a backdrop. Clearly, Uncharted 2 does not use backdrops. The view goes on until it hits something lulzy, like a mountain range, which is 3d rendered. Frankly, it's hard to tell, given that this is the only gameplay footage I've seen, that BFBC2's smokescreen is an effect limited to that map or an effect inherent to the game engine, but I'd say that given this footage, the draw distance is DRAMATICALLY inferior to Uncharted 2, although still superb and above and beyond industry average. The LoD, however, starts to become aggressive at less than 50 meters, with aliasing, substantively decreasing texture quality at maybe 80 meters, and reducing poly counts at maybe 100 meters. That's just my estimate. For comparison, the LoD in UC2 is just stupid. It never quits. The poly counts are high and the texture resolution is high. The geometry complexity is just dumb.
Obviously, the BFBC2 footage shows a high degree of action. Explosions happen a lot and the volumetric smoke is all over the place. At most (realistically) you could probably see a dozen people onscreen simultaneously all affecting the geometry and producing more dynamically rendered effects. However, Uncharted 2 is also stupid in this regard. There are always several pirates running around with guns blazing producing lots of particle effects with the sparks from gunfire and a dynamic environment that changes as a result of the helicopter in both videos chasing the player and destroying things in pre-determined patterns. Even still, this simulation is very dynamic and has a lot going on. I'd say that the two games are approximately equal in this regard.
The character models in Uncharted 2 are dramatically superior. The texture resolutions are also superior.
SHORT VERSION: (DO YOU HAVE A SHORT ATTENTION SPAN? READ ME!)
Both games are substantively above average. BFBC2 is a very good looking game, substantially above average. Uncharted 2 is a mindscrew. It takes your face and destroys it. Uncharted 2 is better.
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