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#1 PS3nut
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Anyone else with the June issue of Game Informer check out the 2 page spread on pages 18-19 entitled

" Nintendo's Software Problem " documented written proof of all the shovelware being put out on the Wii and according to page 19's pie charts the Wii is way in the lead with it's amount of shovelware with a whopping 40% of it's games basically worthless.

Even ahead of Microsoft who's had their system on the market an entire year longer then the Wii but 360 only coming in with a mere 25% of shovelware and PS3 has the least with 17%.

Now granted this is accumulated by total game count which is 360 - 368 games to date, Wii - 182 games to date and PS3 150 games to date.

So taking into account that Microsoft has 186 more games then the Wii but only has 25% shovelware to the Wii's 40%, well c'mon you wii fanboys do the math , because that's pathetic.

I thought Nintendo only cared about quality not quantity...wheres the quality ?

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#2 haziqonfire
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

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360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

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#4 UnrealSin_X
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360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

-GhostMLD-


360 has been out longer than the Playstation 3.

Stop being a fanboy.
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#5 thrones
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360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

-GhostMLD-

What do you expect? Seriously, a year headstart and all :|

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#6 shoeman12
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

that prettu much sums it up. just buy good games and you'll be fine.

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#7 Squall18
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Not news, of course the Wii has the worst games of the systems. However, it's games like Zelda TP, an dSSBB, Mario Galaxy, virtual console, and playing with the family that makes me forget about all of those freakin bad games.

SSBB is one of the greatest games ever

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#8 bobbetybob
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So basically 360 has 90 something shovelware titles, and Wii has 72...

If anything this is just showing that Wii isn't the only console with shovelware, and considering it's the easiest to make games for, has sold the most, and has a larger majority of idiot game buying parents, it's obvious why it has "more"

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#9 PS3nut
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

Oh no you don't get off the hook that easy, because Nintendo fanboys excuses last gen when Sony's PS2 dominated the gaming market with most and best games on the market aand gamecube was withering away with only Resident Evil 4 as their only non 1st party hit title, all Nintendo boys were doing was coming in here and preaching how Nintendo just cares about quality not quantity.

So now, here it is in black and white, you guy's are enjoying your Wii sales lead but have the most shovelware of any system on the market, so again i ask WHAT HAPPENED TO NINTENDO'S QUALITY INSTEAD OF QUANTITY THEORY ?

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#10 BreakingPoint8
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire
Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?
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#11 metallicafan14
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squall,finnaly i found a person that has common sense,i love the wii,its great,all the haters are just mad cause they have to keep shippin their systems out,mario kart,ssbb,ftw
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

It's not a issue of not buying them or whether they don't sell.

The Point is: These Shovelware ARE ON the Wii. They FILL UP the Wii section at Retailers. And Developers are STILL MAKING them. Which gives Wii Core Owners a very very very very very very very very very very very very LIMITED option, if they were interested in AA-AAA-AAAE games.

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#13 k_smoove
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

/topic.

Move on.

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#14 famicommander
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire
This.
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#15 Miyomatic
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

BreakingPoint8

Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?

That you get lucky once in awhile.

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#16 BubbyJello
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PS2 games can easily be ported to the Wii. That is why its has the most shovelware, because half of the shovelware is shovelware from the PS2. The PS3 was out longer then the Wii, and yet is has more games. Most likely because of the quick porting of PS2's trash. It's sad that the Wii has to get the PS2's shovelware, but some devs just really want a quick buck.
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#17 thegoldenpoo
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who cares? with great games, there is no reason to buy bad ones. just look at the pc's library. alot of good and a load more of bad. but no one cares!
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#18 BubbyJello
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

BreakingPoint8

Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?

That's not shovelware, that is a quality casual game.

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#19 Miyomatic
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

KingsofQueens

It's not a issue of not buying them or whether they don't sell.

The Point is: These Shovelware ARE ON the Wii. They FILL UP the Wii section at Retailers. And Developers are STILL MAKING them. Which gives Wii Core Owners a very very very very very very very very very very very very LIMITED option, if they were interested in AA-AAA-AAAE games.

How does it limit your options? Say there are 100 different Wii games on the shelf, and 40 of them are shovelware (40%).....there's still 60 quality games to choose from. You act as if the space taken by shovelware will always be taken up by shovelware. They do put other games on the shelf ya know. :?

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#20 Ontain
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I don't buy even 5% of all games for a system that comes out so really what do i care about the worst games? I don't even by most of the games that are over 70% on metacritic sites.
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#21 thrones
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

BreakingPoint8

Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?

Shovelware doesn't mean casual games.

Carnival Games was pretty good for a party game.

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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

PS3nut

Oh no you don't get off the hook that easy, because Nintendo fanboys excuses last gen when Sony's PS2 dominated the gaming market with most and best games on the market aand gamecube was withering away with only Resident Evil 4 as their only non 1st party hit title, all Nintendo boys were doing was coming in here and preaching how Nintendo just cares about quality not quantity.

So now, here it is in black and white, you guy are enjoying your Wii sales lead but have the most shovelware of any system on the market, so again i ask WHAT HAPPENED TO NINTENDO'S QUALITY INSTEAD OF QUANTITY THEORY ?

it changed. remember when people were complaining that Nintendo was too strict on 3rd party devs?

well, here you go. this is what people wanted, now they got it.

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#23 BreakingPoint8
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[QUOTE="BreakingPoint8"][QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

thrones

Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?

Shovelware doesn't mean casual games.

Carnival Games was pretty good for a party game.

Sure if we all agree to the fact that party games suck in general, I could agree to it sucking less than most.
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#24 travt-down
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I call it the PS2 Effect. Towards the second half of the PS2s life, it started to see a hell of a lot of crap shovelware. It was the the most popuklar system and crappy devs learned they could make a few bucks by turning vomit into a game disc. Fast forward to now, and you have a very popular system that is easy to develop for and you get the crap right from the start because the devs knew they could get away with it. Now if GI would just do the same chart for the PS2....
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#25 Bread_or_Decide
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The problem isn't the most worst.

The problem is it has the LEAST best games.

Thats far more troubling.

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#26 -GhostMLD-
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[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

UnrealSin_X



360 has been out longer than the Playstation 3.

Stop being a fanboy.

i got news for u, all those extra games didnt come in 06. There were plenty games in 07 that MS had that SOny just didnt get on top of.

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#28 thrones
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[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

-GhostMLD-



360 has been out longer than the Playstation 3.

Stop being a fanboy.

i got news for u, all those extra games didnt come in 06. There were plenty games in 07 that MS had that SOny just didnt get on top of.

Yeah, because developers got an extra year to build upon the X360 and could let games go faster :|

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#29 BreakingPoint8
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The problem isn't the most worst.

The problem is it has the LEAST best games.

Thats far more troubling.

Bread_or_Decide
That'll happen without large third party support, it's basically just Nintendo providing the goods.
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#30 m_machine024
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

KingsofQueens

It's not a issue of not buying them or whether they don't sell.

The Point is: These Shovelware ARE ON the Wii. They FILL UP the Wii section at Retailers. And Developers are STILL MAKING them. Which gives Wii Core Owners a very very very very very very very very very very very very LIMITED option, if they were interested in AA-AAA-AAAE games.

So let's say you have a 360, are you gonna buy all the 75% of games which represent the good ones on for it? No. Same for Wii or PS3. We are just getting max 20% of thoses games so the choices aren't really limited. That's why that argument just doesn't work.
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#31 bobbetybob
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[QUOTE="UnrealSin_X"][QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"]

360's 368 games to PS3's 150.............just noticed that little figure.

Sony really cares about their customers......:roll:

-GhostMLD-



360 has been out longer than the Playstation 3.

Stop being a fanboy.

i got news for u, all those extra games didnt come in 06. There were plenty games in 07 that MS had that SOny just didnt get on top of.

All? Ok so 360 had no games at all come out in '05-'06?

And why am I the only person whos noticed what I did, this thread actualls shows that "Teh shovelware is on teh Wii-Wii!!!" is a stupid argument for a Lemming to make when their console has more shovelware games, and as I said, that years difference shouldn't make much difference, since the Wii is a lot easier to develop for, and people are about ten times more likely to buy it on Wii than 360.

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How the hell is this different from any other gen? Seriously, tell me. Nintendo has ALWAYS had a problem with the third parties. Whether it be not enough support or just bad quality. Every console will have shovelware, some more than others. But like those other consoles it is up to the consumer whether to buy the product. Because of Nintendo's broader market, you have both sides of the spectrum selling well.
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#33 vicmackey39
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the most popular system gets the most shovelware

who would have thought

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#34 shoeman12
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

KingsofQueens

It's not a issue of not buying them or whether they don't sell.

The Point is: These Shovelware ARE ON the Wii. They FILL UP the Wii section at Retailers. And Developers are STILL MAKING them. Which gives Wii Core Owners a very very very very very very very very very very very very LIMITED option, if they were interested in AA-AAA-AAAE games.

and still no one is forcing you to buy them. if you have such a problem with shovel ware, buy good games (and yes, there are some AAAE)

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#35 goblaa
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Honest question here:

Who cares?

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#36 haziqonfire
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

BreakingPoint8
Carnival Games sold over 1 million copies, what kind of message do you think that sends to publishers?


50 Cent bullet proof sold well too -- Did that end the PS2/Xbox? did it end gaming? did it have an effect on the number of good titles coming to the platform?
[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

PS3nut

Oh no you don't get off the hook that easy, because Nintendo fanboys excuses last gen when Sony's PS2 dominated the gaming market with most and best games on the market aand gamecube was withering away with only Resident Evil 4 as their only non 1st party hit title, all Nintendo boys were doing was coming in here and preaching how Nintendo just cares about quality not quantity.

So now, here it is in black and white, you guy's are enjoying your Wii sales lead but have the most shovelware of any system on the market, so again i ask WHAT HAPPENED TO NINTENDO'S QUALITY INSTEAD OF QUANTITY THEORY ?


i wasnt on GS last gen, nor am i a sheep. I owned a PS2 and a GC last gen.

So i honestly dont care about bad games, because, i dont buy them.
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#37 eonape
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

k_smoove

/topic.

Move on.

I dont understand why people care about what console has more or less shovelware, its not like it matters. You don't have to buy bad games. In fact I would say that if a console has more shovelware, the console is acually doing better. Developers want to put their games on that console because it is doing so well, and even a poor game can potentially do well.
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#38 PS3nut
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the most popular system gets the most shovelware

who would have thought

vicmackey39

Umm no, that wasn't the case with the PS2, the PS2 had much more AAA and hit titles than shovelware, gamecube on the other hand had more shovelware than hits, much like it's Wii successor only difference this time is people are actually buying the Wii console and being stuck with the worst game library of this gen, infact if they didn't have first party titles they'd have almost no hit titles at all.

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#40 vicmackey39
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[QUOTE="vicmackey39"]

the most popular system gets the most shovelware

who would have thought

PS3nut

Umm no, that wasn't the case with the PS2

hahahaha Cows are rewriting history now

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#41 InsaneBasura
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

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48. Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Wii Exclusive
1.1M
90%
August/Shooter
Nintendo/Retro Studios
Brett Elston (GamesRadar): "This is the final Prime game, however, and it's easily the best, with a formula that's been tweaked and pruned to its most perfect point. Now please do something new before we all get tired of it."

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47. Carnival Games

Wii Exclusive
1.1M
56%
August/Other (Minigame)
Global Star/Cat Daddy Games
Ben Reeves (Game Informer): "Just like a real carnival, you'll feel cheated more than once playing these virtual simulations, but the real carny scam might be trying to sell this "discount" title for $40."

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#42 haziqonfire
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^^Carnival Games isnt even shovelware. People seem to forget what shovelware actually is.
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#43 rgame1
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the devs put shovelware on Wii to sell and make profit which is used to make games like Bioshock, rainbow six on nex gen systems.

SO QUIT YOUR WHINGING!!!

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#44 householdman
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40% of 182 = 72.8
25% of 368 = 92

The 360 still has more shovelware :P

In any-case, other posters are right, the more popular the console, the more crazy bad shovelware titles are on it. The ps2 showed us that.

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#45 SER69
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the devs put shovelware on Wii to sell and make profit which is used to make games like Bioshock, rainbow six on nex gen systems.

SO QUIT YOUR WHINGING!!!

rgame1

^This.

If anything, lemmings and cows should be thankful to us poor sheep.

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#46 mdisen
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Wow, Gameinformer is literally the only publication that gives a rats ass about this. Quite pathetic. The Wii has vastly lower development costs than the Xbox360 and PS3, and that means it will have vastly more shovelware. Move on, get over it. Sheep have.
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#47 CajunShooter
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Here are all the numbers btw:

90 Percentile:

1.360 - 3%

Wii - 3%

2. PS3 - 2%

80 Percentile:

1. PS3 - 30%

2. 360 - 21%

3. Wii - 8%

70 Percentile:

1. 360 - 29%

2. PS3 - 28%

3. Wii - 20%

60 Percentile:

1. Wii - 29%

2. PS3 - 23%

3. 360 - 22%

50 Percentile:

1. Wii - 40%

2. 360 - 23%

3. PS3 - 17%

GameInformer claims these are the percentages from Metacritic.

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#48 Supafly1
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You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Haziqonfire

They wouldn't make them if they didn't sell.

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#50 ogvampire
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[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

You dont have to buy those games. Plus, those games dont sell, so who cares.

Supafly1

They wouldn't make them if they didn't sell.

they dont sell. which shovelware games sell well?