New info on Project Cafe, pricing and hardware specs included

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#1 Vari3ty
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Taken from IGN:

More details of Nintendo's forthcoming console, codenamed Project Cafe aka Wii 2, have been revealed to IGN, including the system's estimated pricing, release, console design, processing architecture, and name.

According to sources with knowledge of the project, Nintendo's next console could have a retail cost of anywhere between $350 and $400, and will ship from Taiwanese manufacturer, Foxconn, this October, putting the earliest possible retail release anywhere between mid-October and early November.

However, Nintendo could also opt to build up a sizable supply of the system and allocate more time for software and games development by launching in early 2012. Similarly, Nintendo could attempt to lower the retail price of the system with lower profit margins to make the price more alluring.

Since the manufacturing is taking place in Taiwan, the earthquakes and tsunami that hit Japan last month will not impact the console hardware as previously expected.

Additionally, IGN has learned that the system will be based on a revamped version of AMD's R700 GPU architecture, not AMD's Fusion technology as previously believed, which will, as previously reported, out perform the PlayStation 3's NVIDIA 7800GTX-based processor. Like the Xbox 360, the system's CPU will be a custom-built triple-core IBM PowerPC chipset, but the clocking speeds will be faster. The system will support 1080p output with the potential for stereoscopic 3D as well, though it has not been determined whether that will be a staple feature.

In terms of the design of the console itself, the overall size will be comparable to that of the original Xbox 360 and the system is likely to resemble a modernized version of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES).

As reported last week, it will indeed utilize controllers with integrated touchscreens and be capable of streaming games to each controller, though given the power of the system, could also feasibly provide a virtualized console for each individual unit.

Finally, Nintendo is considering naming the console Stream, though it is potentially one of several names currently being vetted by the company.

We contacted Nintendo representatives, but they declined to comment on "rumors or speculation."

Source: IGN

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Interesting - what's your take, SW?

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It needs to be 300-350.. anything more and no one would even look at it..

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I need a change of pants.
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It needs to be 300-350.. anything more and no one would even look at it..

Espada12
The Xbox 360 sold just fine at price point of $400.
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Hm so somewhere in the AMD 4k series range then. That's not too bad I suppose. Any word on the RAM, because I bet that's where it will be gimped for no reason at all.
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#6 mario-nin-freak
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Sounds interesting, but one thing makes it hard to believe. 3D, Nintendo ahs already said they will not have 3D in their next console. So the person who wrote this made that up, what else could he have made up? Not saying it's wrong, but seems fishy.
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#7 Kinthalis
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Well, no solid data here, nothing confirmed, but the specs look believable.

I think they can pack that ahrdware into a $400 package and make (a small) profit right out of the gate, or if not, at least break even.

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Dated tech and over priced? Not surprised
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Sounds interesting, but one thing makes it hard to believe. 3D, Nintendo ahs already said they will not have 3D in their next console. So the person who wrote this made that up, what else could he have made up? Not saying it's wrong, but seems fishy.mario-nin-freak
Nah. Both the Wii and the Gamecube were equipped with 3D capabilities right outside the gate, so I don't see why this system will remove that functionality. Nintendo just said that the 3D would not be the main selling point of its new console.
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Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedMFDOOM1983
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?
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Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedMFDOOM1983

Well it's a console.

They have to balance out performance with heat dissipation in a very small form factor + R&D to get the most out of the hardware + balance out the price to the consumer and the price to them.

It was never going to be fully modern hardware. It will never be, not for any console.

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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

It needs to be 300-350.. anything more and no one would even look at it..

charizard1605

The Xbox 360 sold just fine at price point of $400.

Yeah but the PS3 was at 600 lol.

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overpriced just like Wii

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#14 heretrix
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350-400 hun for a Nintendo console?

No. Thanks.

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If I can play Nintendo games without any gimmicks like motion controls or touch screen nonsense, then Its day one. If not then no thanks.

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedcharizard1605
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?
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[QUOTE="mario-nin-freak"]Sounds interesting, but one thing makes it hard to believe. 3D, Nintendo ahs already said they will not have 3D in their next console. So the person who wrote this made that up, what else could he have made up? Not saying it's wrong, but seems fishy.charizard1605
Nah. Both the Wii and the Gamecube were equipped with 3D capabilities right outside the gate, so I don't see why this system will remove that functionality. Nintendo just said that the 3D would not be the main selling point of its new console.

yea it will just by a side attraction like ps3 games..

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Sounds interesting, but one thing makes it hard to believe. 3D, Nintendo ahs already said they will not have 3D in their next console. So the person who wrote this made that up, what else could he have made up? Not saying it's wrong, but seems fishy.mario-nin-freak

It might be like 3D on 360, adrvitized so much that people don't know about it ;]After 3DS no glasses mambo-jambo it wont be good for them to go that direction, thru i bet they simply won't force developers to do so but probably they will be able to do 3D games if they want

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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedcharizard1605
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

What is state of the art in the op :? Not a tri-core CPU or a custom GPU based off 3 year old tech, that's for sure.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedMFDOOM1983
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?

the cpu is an overclocked 360 but the GPU i better..also we dont know the RAM yet.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedmillerlight89
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

What is state of the art in the op :? Not a tri-core CPU or a custom GPU based off 3 year old tech, that's for sure.

Wait, they couldn't do quad core and used a Radeon 4000 series card? At least the gpu is an improvement though no DX11.:P

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedMFDOOM1983
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?

Streams 1080p from the get go, and if it has enough RAM (say, 2-4 GB) then we have a very powerful system on our hands.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]Dated tech and over priced? Not surprisedmillerlight89
Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

What is state of the art in the op :? Not a tri-core CPU or a custom GPU based off 3 year old tech, that's for sure.

and a 7 year old cpu architecture.:lol: It's expected that nintendo fanboys would eat it up though.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?

How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?

Streams 1080p from the get go, and if it has enough RAM (say, 2-4 GB) then we have a very powerful system on our hands.

1080p? ps3 should be jealous.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

It needs to be 300-350.. anything more and no one would even look at it..

Espada12

The Xbox 360 sold just fine at price point of $400.

Yeah but the PS3 was at 600 lol.

Yes, but what does that have to do with this thing selling at $400? :?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?MFDOOM1983
Streams 1080p from the get go, and if it has enough RAM (say, 2-4 GB) then we have a very powerful system on our hands.

1080p? ps3 should be jealous.

Yeah lol :P I don't know, it seems to be reasonably powerful. With the proper GPU and a decent amount of RAM, it could be future proof for the next five years.
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Anyone know if the R700 had DX 10.1 support?

If so, could PC start to see some 3rd party nintendo titles coming their way?

Nto that 3rd party nintendo titles are that great, but still!

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To the people criticizing the specs and the price, well this is not yet confirmed so hold out your final comments.
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350-400 hun for a Nintendo console?

No. Thanks.

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Even if it's the go to console for the next generation? You won't spend that much money on it simply because of its branding, regardless of the quality of games on it? Okay.
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To the people criticizing the specs and the price, well this is not yet confirmed so hold out your final comments.lordlors
I'm just responding to the information given out.
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?KBFloYd

How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?

the cpu is an overclocked 360 but the GPU i better..also we dont know the RAM yet.

The GPU is better then what consoles have now but if it is indeed based on the 4k series which I have a 4890 then its already 2 generations old in the ATI family so really it is dated tech even though the 4k series are some banging cards.
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To the people criticizing the specs and the price, well this is not yet confirmed so hold out your final comments.lordlors

This is true, nothing has been confirmed yet. However, it's never too early to speculate. :P

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Anyone know if the R700 had DX 10.1 support?Kinthalis

It did.

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] Dated tech? It's proven tech that is also reasonably state of the art. What is wrong with these specs?MFDOOM1983

What is state of the art in the op :? Not a tri-core CPU or a custom GPU based off 3 year old tech, that's for sure.

and a 7 year old cpu architecture.:lol: It's expected that nintendo fanboys would eat it up though.

PowerPC is even older then 360 and Wii (both of them used that), IBM evolving it all the time so i bet they get better CPU then 360. Besides they need that architecture to have good BC even to GameCube (that also used that architecture btw), N64 is already nicely software emulated on Wii so it should not be a problem ferther

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sounds awesome!! modernized SNES - HECK YEAH!!!!!!

and it only makes sense that the sequel to the Wii would be Stream :-D

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I don't see Nintendo ever releasing a system that costs more than 300 at retail.
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[QUOTE="lordlors"]To the people criticizing the specs and the price, well this is not yet confirmed so hold out your final comments.MFDOOM1983
I'm just responding to the information given out.

Well the information given out isn't final and is just a mere speculation. so...
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[QUOTE="KBFloYd"]

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"] How is an overclocked 360 reasonably state of the art?xXDrPainXx

the cpu is an overclocked 360 but the GPU i better..also we dont know the RAM yet.

The GPU is better then what consoles have now but if it is indeed based on the 4k series which I have a 4890 then its already 2 generations old in the ATI family so really it is dated tech even though the 4k series are some banging cards.

well all it has to say is "1080P" on the box and people will eat it up as better than the 360 and ps3...im sure the games like zelda and metroid will look wonderful.

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I need a change of pants.charizard1605
Dude, you change pants every time Ninty related news is mentioned ...... I really dun see why ! we all expect a more powerful system than the PS3/X360 but is it that great ?
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="lordlors"]To the people criticizing the specs and the price, well this is not yet confirmed so hold out your final comments.lordlors
I'm just responding to the information given out.

Well the information given out isn't final and is just a mere speculation. so...

welcome to system wars...
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Again STOP with the straw grasping of the rumors. I mean some seem for sure logical and believable but geez...Ign are thweworst rumor starters of all. When they leaked the Wii they said it was as strong as the 360, and they said that the DS would have Halo...On top of that they got the specs completely wrong for the 3ds EVEN after it came out... Just a bunch speculation and assumption nothing more.

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Does the name stream refer to streaming games to the controllers, or streaming online gaming. My guess is games to the controllers. Kinda ackward thing to do after releasing the 3DS, but oh well. I really don't care about the graphics, especially if it's 1080P and triple core. Games made for that could look just as good as any other game. Couldn't they?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]I need a change of pants.omho88
Dude, you change pants every time Ninty related news is mentioned ...... I really dun see why ! we all expect a more powerful system than the PS3/X360 but is it that great ?

Zelda 1080p. Metroid 1080p. Star Fox 1080p. Maybe this October. I'm sold.
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Again STOP with the straw grasping of the rumors. I mean some seem for sure logical and believable but geez...Ign are thweworst rumor starters of all. When they leaked the Wii they said it was as strong as the 360, and they said that the DS would have Halo...On top of that they got the specs completely wrong for the 3ds EVEN after it came out... Just a bunch speculation and assumption nothing more.

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GOD! I miss the pumpkins :(

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Again STOP with the straw grasping of the rumors. I mean some seem for sure logical and believable but geez...Ign are thweworst rumor starters of all. When they leaked the Wii they said it was as strong as the 360, and they said that the DS would have Halo...On top of that they got the specs completely wrong for the 3ds EVEN after it came out... Just a bunch speculation and assumption nothing more.

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The thing is, the DS *did* have a Halo game under development, but it just wasn't ever released. They even posted videos and screenshots of them playing the thing, so I don't see why you would doubt that rumour.
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Again STOP with the straw grasping of the rumors. I mean some seem for sure logical and believable but geez...Ign are thweworst rumor starters of all. When they leaked the Wii they said it was as strong as the 360, and they said that the DS would have Halo...On top of that they got the specs completely wrong for the 3ds EVEN after it came out... Just a bunch speculation and assumption nothing more.

mexicangordo

but its fun to speculate when ur clueless about the next gen systems... just because u speculate doesn't mean u believe everything to be the gospel truth. why does it bother you so much?

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Anyone know if the R700 had DX 10.1 support?

If so, could PC start to see some 3rd party nintendo titles coming their way?

Nto that 3rd party nintendo titles are that great, but still!

Kinthalis
Yes the AMD 4k series has dx10.1 support, not that it was used a lot though.
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[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]

Again STOP with the straw grasping of the rumors. I mean some seem for sure logical and believable but geez...Ign are thweworst rumor starters of all. When they leaked the Wii they said it was as strong as the 360, and they said that the DS would have Halo...On top of that they got the specs completely wrong for the 3ds EVEN after it came out... Just a bunch speculation and assumption nothing more.

Kinthalis

GOD! I miss the pumpkins :(

They are still hear my friend and havn't left. Im sure Billy is excited about the Wii 2 as well :P

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#49 Mystic-G
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Triple core in 2011? *sigh* If true, Nintendo is already gonna be holding back next gen.

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#50 MFDOOM1983
Member since 2010 • 8465 Posts
[QUOTE="omho88"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]I need a change of pants.charizard1605
Dude, you change pants every time Ninty related news is mentioned ...... I really dun see why ! we all expect a more powerful system than the PS3/X360 but is it that great ?

Zelda 1080p. Metroid 1080p. Star Fox 1080p. Maybe this October. I'm sold.

Upscaled nes games?