NEW KILLZONE 2 gameplay footage! = **awesome**

[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]OMG! AHAHAH the A.I was horrible!CyanX73

Just wait to actually play the game or read a review on the game before we judge things like AI and gameplay :roll:. At this point the only thing we can really even remotely judge is the visuals which look astounding.

Okay then, let's continuously hype it as the Halo killer then :roll:

I don't have an Xbox but I have played the Halo beta...sure people will believe me now.

But I really have which is why I am so confused by both sides of thie debate....

It seems to me most of the people both defending and attacking it have never played it. :?

It is a good game...

But as far as these comparisons go it's silly to say it looks better than Killzone 2...it looks pretty much the same as Resistance to be honest. In that I believe Resistance had great graphics, but nothing that made me want to jump up and down. Halo 3 looks like a great game that if I was scoring would get an 8.5 in graphics and 9's everywhere else. I really don't understand why people would defend or attack it so blindly....if the game looks as good as Resistance wouldn't that merit a level of stress to PS3 owners already?

I don't understand all these people's attacks.

That was the footage everyone has seen + clips from the first Killzone + the original KZ2 trailer

Nothing new, but its still gobsmackingly good.

I can't help but feel that Killzone 2 will yet be another title on the PS3 that falls short of expectations by not living up to its hype, and this is probably the most hyped game right now for the PS3, more so than Metal Gear Solid 4. Why? Because MGS4 is a sequel in an already established franchise, so you know what to expect.

The funny thing is, people are hyping this game not because the first Killzone was an absolutely awesome gaming experience and considered one of the greatest games of all time. They are hyping it thanks to the fake CGI trailer from 2005. Ever since then this game has been hyped huge and the trend continues today.

I think the graphics look really good, but I think there are too many developers that focus solely on graphics and less on performance.

I remember months and months ago people posting all kinds of screen shots of Lair, including gameplay footage, and hyping its graphics and how awesome it's going to be. The early reviews are coming in, and Lair is just not that great of a game.

Until they add some cover system, improve the textures and actually create SMART AI then this game will flop. Right now the only thing that it has going for it is the lighting engine. Everything else looks sub-par to today's standards.EXLINK

Not sure if this a joke, or if you haven't been following the game, but Killzone2 has a cover system. In fact it has a first person cover system as well as destructible cover. These two elements combine to create what sounds like a highly unique and balanced cover system.

As for the textures. Firstly they aren't even that bad. The reason people jump on the textures is because everything else looks stunning and they need something to jump on. Secondly IT IS PRE-ALPHA. Guerrilla have already said they will improve the textures in the 6+ months of dev time they have left.

As for he AI. There is absolutely no way you can judge the AI from just these videos. For a start these are on stage demonstrations and they always play those in Godmode with the AI dumbed down. You can't even begin to judge the AI until you play it for yourself. The one or two previews where people have actually played the game said that the AI was great in the game, so you might want to read up on the game before you jump the gun.

Lastly if you think the animation in this game are sub par you are absolutely crazy. Show me a console game with better animations.

I can't help but feel that Killzone 2 will yet be another title on the PS3 that falls short of expectations by not living up to its hype, and this is probably the most hyped game right now for the PS3, more so than Metal Gear Solid 4. Why? Because MGS4 is a sequel in an already established franchise, so you know what to expect.

The funny thing is, people are hyping this game not because the first Killzone was an absolutely awesome gaming experience and considered one of the greatest games of all time. They are hyping it thanks to the fake CGI trailer from 2005. Ever since then this game has been hyped huge and the trend continues today.

I think the graphics look really good, but I think there are too many developers that focus solely on graphics and less on performance.

I remember months and months ago people posting all kinds of screen shots of Lair, including gameplay footage, and hyping its graphics and how awesome it's going to be. The early reviews are coming in, and Lair is just not that great of a game.

thinicer

But I genuinely liked the first one and have played it more than Halo 2's campaign. Now the sequel seems to be building on it and is the best looking console game ever made, so I'm excited.

Anybody who says Killzone 2 is ugly is either blind or just straight up stupid. I also would like to know where people get the information that the AI is going to suck and the gameplay is going to suck? How do you guys know? Can you guys see the future? Also how do you know Halo 3 isn't going to be a big flop? Its not very likely but hey anything can happen. Everyone should just wait for the game to come out before they make negative comments about it.

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[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]OMG! AHAHAH the A.I was horrible!Metroid_Time

Just wait to actually play the game or read a review on the game before we judge things like AI and gameplay :roll:. At this point the only thing we can really even remotely judge is the visuals which look astounding.

I could easily see in that video there were instances where the AI was no where near the level of FEAR's.

Killzone is not a finished game yet. If the AI in that video was nowhere near a finished game maybe it's because Fear is a FINISHED GAME! So again, it's not fair to judge an unfinished game on AI and like I said we can only judge the graphics at this point and even that is still a work in progress.

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[QUOTE="Metroid_Time"]OMG! AHAHAH the A.I was horrible!MegaPigeon

Just wait to actually play the game or read a review on the game before we judge things like AI and gameplay :roll:. At this point the only thing we can really even remotely judge is the visuals which look astounding.

Okay then, let's continuously hype it as the Halo killer then :roll:

No. The people that hype it as the Halo killer are the crazy fanboys. There is no halo killer because halo is in a class by itself. I'm hyping Killzone to be a better game than the first and a great showing of what PS3 can do graphically. Not a Halo killer.

I'm sorry, but if you think for a minute that this game looks anything like its E3 2005 CG incarnate, you're nuts.

Check out the massive draw distance in the original trailer. How about all of the neat AIs happening? Little skimishes here and there. The already underwhelming trailercharacter models lack the same fidelity running live on PS3. The fluid animation of the fallen (the burning soldier and the enemy dangling from his trenchcoat). I could go on and on.

Valient effort, Sony. But not as seen on TV...

CubeJL

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I'm sorry, but if you think for a minute that this game looks anything like its E3 2005 CG incarnate, you're nuts.

Check out the massive draw distance in the original trailer. How about all of the neat AIs happening? Little skimishes here and there. The already underwhelming trailercharacter models lack the same fidelity running live on PS3. The fluid animation of the fallen (the burning soldier and the enemy dangling from his trenchcoat). I could go on and on.

Valient effort, Sony. But not as seen on TV...

cyprus646

In some areas it looks just as good as gears or BioShock, but in others (lighting, animation, physics, destructible environments) it looks a lot better. Wii owners might not be able to tell though since they obviously don't pay much attention to graphics:P

of course we pay attention to graphics I will admit wehen I wii game looks terrible :? but anyways the game dosent look e3 good idk why some cows still say it's the best looking game out on the market but then they go and say "oh but it's still pre-alpha :cry:" :roll: I think the games going to flop with an 8.5 for the gameplay and stupid AI tho because in all the videos I have seen neither was impressive at all.

Edit: and the game dosent even come close to Bioshock in the lighting departement :lol:

Well seeing as ur an "anything sony hater" dont be suprised when we dont a **** to anything u gotta say... imo it looks better than anything ive ever seen on a console, and ive seen it on my tv when i downloaded it off of PSN.

And its still like 6 months from its coming out so its gona look alot better aswell

[QUOTE="EXLINK"]Until they add some cover system, improve the textures and actually create SMART AI then this game will flop. Right now the only thing that it has going for it is the lighting engine. Everything else looks sub-par to today's standards.NutJobJim

Not sure if this a joke, or if you haven't been following the game, but Killzone2 has a cover system. In fact it has a first person cover system as well as destructible cover. These two elements combine to create what sounds like a highly unique and balanced cover system.

As for the textures. Firstly they aren't even that bad. The reason people jump on the textures is because everything else looks stunning and they need something to jump on. Secondly IT IS PRE-ALPHA. Guerrilla have already said they will improve the textures in the 6+ months of dev time they have left.

As for he AI. There is absolutely no way you can judge the AI from just these videos. For a start these are on stage demonstrations and they always play those in Godmode with the AI dumbed down. You can't even begin to judge the AI until you play it for yourself. The one or two previews where people have actually played the game said that the AI was great in the game, so you might want to read up on the game before you jump the gun.

Lastly if you think the animation in this game are sub par you are absolutely crazy. Show me a console game with better animations.

I'll be honest, I haven't been following this game as much as others do. All I've done is watched the videos and some interviews and I just hadn't seen any cover system so I assumed there just wasn't going to be one.

And no, the textures are bad, there you can't fool me. They purposely made the game look incredibly muddy and dark to cover up the lack of good textures. Dev's can say all they want about what they will do, but half of the time it just doesn't turn out the way they say.

And the AI still looks very dumb, even for the demo's they were showing. The enemies just literally sat there looking at him and shooting. They didn't take cover or anything. If he was in God Mode, why not turn up the AI a bit more so people could actually see the challenge of it all?

And I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "animations", because if you mean what they do when they die then its nothing great. They're just ragdolls.

Overall, right now Killzone 2 just looks like a tech demo for its Lighting Engine. Until I actually SEE these things change in videos then I will not change my statement about the dumb AI and the lack of good textures.

If i read that 'its pre alpha' 1 more time i think i really am gon kill the nearest person to me. How naive are u people? over 2 yrs in development and u actually believe that its only in pre alpha stage, c'mon and take a bite of the real world people.

With 6 months of dev time left the only thing being done is fine polishing, the game will be done by this point and only the finishing touches are beingpolished up.

Accept it and move on:roll:

[QUOTE="hamidious"]This game owns Halo 3 so hard the lemmings will say what da **** did I waste my money on.ShmenonPie

I agree, it looks better than Halo 3, and Halo 3 plays pretty badly judging by the Beta, and I still say that KZ2 will play better than Halo 3 IMO, because KZ outplayed Halo and Halo 2.

System wars is always good for a laugh. Idiotic comments

[QUOTE="SiiSsy"]I think it looks a lot better than the old trailer. For one when you shoot people they bleed instead of sparking and two the darker setting makes for a far better setting for baddies that wear all black and have glowing eyes.BioShockOwnz

I agree that it looks good, but the animations were so much better done in the 2005 E3 trailer. Like when the Helghast grabs onto the rail before falling.

That CGI trailer looked better than Crysis and rightfully so it was CGI lol

one thing I don't get is how Lemmings let Cows off the hook for Killzone 2. It doesn't match the trailer and that's all there is to it. I'm a big fan of killzone and but I'm not blind to think it matched it or looks better

killzone 1 got its inspiration from halo and cod.

killzone 2 seems to get its inspiration from gears and Cod 4, which seems to suit it better.

[QUOTE="hamidious"]This game owns Halo 3 so hard the lemmings will say what da **** did I waste my money on.ShmenonPie

I agree, it looks better than Halo 3, and Halo 3 plays pretty badly judging by the Beta, and I still say that KZ2 will play better than Halo 3 IMO, because KZ outplayed Halo and Halo 2.

The fps drops pretty badly when in combat...ProductNumber49

I don't find the visuals to be all that jaw dropping.

Textures look washed out completely, lighting looks minimal so obviously any light in a dark environment will look good with a touch of HDR. Draw distance looks pathetic.

E3 2005 this most certainly is not.

And yet the gameplay is gonna suck, just like in the first one. Motorstorm had good graphics, and you know how that turned out.

7.6! :lol:

V_Isle

This game owns Halo 3 so hard the lemmings will say what da **** did I waste my money on.hamidious

lol not withTHAT gameplay. KZ2 just didn't look fun to play in those videos imo. Awesome graphics, though.

Right after the 6:40 min mark it gets amazing.

Hmmm...

The graphics look good, but the gameplay - not so much. The AI looks horrible, actually. So many times you're standing in the middle of a room surrounded by Helghast behind cover, and you kinda of waltz around shooting each enemy multiple times, watching them convulse (which is kind of a cool animation, imo), but everyone else just stands there, missing you repeatedly until you get to them, shoot them multiple times, watch them convulse, and move on to the next guy who's been shooting at you for 10 seconds, missing every shot, and generally acting like a noob.

The bit where there's an enemy carrying a massive minigun - which should bea fearsome opponent - all you do is run up behind his cover in full view, circle strafe him, shoot him in the head once or twice until he turns around, and shoot him in the back - and he explodes? Weaksauce.

What gives? This doesn't look challenging at all. Recently there has been a bit of a trend to make AI a) smart enough to take decent cover at least, b) a good enough shot to hit you repeatedly and kill you in under 3 secondsif YOU'RE not smart enough to take decent cover, and c) nearly as tough as you are (or conversely, you as weak as they are) so if you take more than 3-4 hits in succession, you'll bite the big one (think COD 2 and 3, GRAW, R6V, GeoW, among others). I've liked this trend, as it presents much more of a challenge and makes you feel like you're on an even playing field with the AI and must outsmart and outplay it, rather than run in with all guns blazing. KZ2 seems to be taking a step backwards in this regard. I mean, what's the point of the new touted cover system if there's no reason to use it?

I don't find the visuals to be all that jaw dropping.

Textures look washed out completely, lighting looks minimal so obviously any light in a dark environment will look good with a touch of HDR. Draw distance looks pathetic.

E3 2005 this most certainly is not.

Hoobinator

you do know that in the beginning, those towers among the clouds are a lot far from them? i can't even guess how much, but it's a lot! and the trailer provides a very nice and wide panoramic view of the combat zone.

http://www.ps3vault.com/killzone-2-video-showing-never-before-seen-footage-2003

its in a foreign language, but at 1.27 you can hear him say.. HAYLO KEELER.

amcallister902

this isnt new.... lol its all old.....hah

And yet the gameplay is gonna suck, just like in the first one. Motorstorm had good graphics, and you know how that turned out.

7.6! :lol:

V_Isle

This is what deserves to be called a high class shooter

Was the footage around the 1:20 mark from Killzone 2 or Killzone on the PS2StephenHu

http://www.ps3vault.com/killzone-2-video-showing-never-before-seen-footage-2003

its in a foreign language, but at 1.27 you can hear him say.. HAYLO KEELER.

amcallister902

Wow the graphics looked a bit dodgy in the lighter parts they showed.

From that video all i can tell is that you shoot stuff.....and the graphics are pretty good.

I really don't see what people are hyping this for...