New PS4 rumor

These specs would be amazing with closed box.

What I have got is a very comprehensive document on the specifications of the PlayStation 4. Thus, the PlayStation 4 AMD Fusion APU get with the CPU and GPU sit together on the same chip. The code name for this chip is 'Liverpool' According developers would chip in "real talk" over 10x longer than that of the PS3 can. It would be a quad-core AMD x86 CPU running at 3.2GHz which contain the code name 'Steamroller' know. The GPU is an ATI r10xx at 800MHz with 1843 GFLOPS, this is code-named "Tahiti." This chip is also include on AMD Radeon HD 7970, both chips (CPU and GPU) are 28nm processors.

specs-

AMD x86 Quad Core at 3.2 GHz ATI r10xx(3rd generation)GFLOPS at 800 MHz and 1843

Radeon HD 7970

Unified 2GB of memory(still uncertain, this can be 4GB)

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The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

So no Cell 2.0?

Im not a hermit, but most of the comments on that article said that those specs dont seem right.

2GB of ram is extremely low, a 7970 and 680 come with at least 3gb as a standard. And to be 'in-line' with previous generations progress in Ram amounts it should be 8gb, not 2 - 3.

I don't see much of a purpose of pairing an APU with a top end GPU, would be better to just get a strait processor.

The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

Raymundo_Manuel

Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.

So no Cell 2.0?

AdobeArtist

7970? Lol, no

Lol, yeah right a unified GPU with a TDP of 220 Watts + a CPU with a TDP of 90+ Watts... on the same die?

LOL!

AND a total cost of over $700 JUST on those parts.

Yeah, totally legit.

What seems more plausible is a Tahiti chip based on somehting like the 7750 to maybe a 7830, paired downa bit in clock speed and vRAM with a paired down 3 Ghz 4 core CPU.

That seems more likely, and even then, it'll be hard for Sony to break even on the hardware out fo the gate.

7970? Lol, no

Chutebox

2GB of ram is extremely low, a 7970 and 680 come with at least 3gb as a standard. And to be 'in-line' with previous generations progress in Ram amounts it should be 8gb, not 2 - 3.

I don't see much of a purpose of pairing an APU with a top end GPU, would be better to just get a strait processor.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

Inconsistancy

Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.

Yes, but there are other parts these consoles have to include as well.

True it won't be an $600-$700 part to MS or Sony, but if Sony and MS want their consoles to be $300-$400 (which is just an assumption on my part) then I really doubt they'd be able to get a good enough deal to make it work. I don't think AMD is going to sell something like that for $500-$600 under cost simply because they'll sell millions of them because as it stands they already sell millions upon millions of processors and GPUs at MSRP.

It just seems like too much of a loss on AMD's side of things.

And the 360 did not have a GPU worth $500 in it. There were better cards in the year of the 360's release that were retailing for roughly $250-$300

2 GB of RAM would be disappointing. I'm hoping there's at least 4.

2 GB of RAM would be disappointing. I'm hoping there's at least 4.

Vari3ty

lolololol 7970

[QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

2 GB of RAM would be disappointing. I'm hoping there's at least 4.

Grey_Eyed_Elf

A 7850 would be more than enough to warrant a next-gen label, it's as powerful as a GTX 570 and consumes 100w less, about 180w I think.

A custom version of that, probably underclocked or reduced die, or with integrated graphics helping out in hybrid crossfire, would work now for a system released next year.l

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"][QUOTE="Vari3ty"]

2 GB of RAM would be disappointing. I'm hoping there's at least 4.

killzowned24

"In terms of memory, there is much uncertainty with the PlayStation 4, as was the initial plan for Sony 2GB unified memory in the machine to stop."

You can't "plan" 2GB on a chip that is based on 384bit memory rate.

This is made up. Sony Playstation's RND department isn't stupid.

Could be legit. Don't forget that next gen consoles will release about 2-3 years from now. The hardware will become cheaper by thengenius2365

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"] 4GB won't work on a 384-bit GPU and neither would 2GB. The rumour is flawed and made up by someone who clearly doesn't know anything about hardware. Why isn't anyone reading this?Grey_Eyed_Elf

"In terms of memory, there is much uncertainty with the PlayStation 4, as was the initial plan for Sony 2GB unified memory in the machine to stop."

You can't "plan" 2GB on a chip that is based on 384bit memory rate.

This is made up. Sony Playstation's RND department isn't stupid.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]
Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.RyviusARC

The Xbox 360 did not have a GPU worth nearly 500USD in it.

It was a mid end GPU which was much cheaper but since it had new unified shader tech it could perform much better in shader intensive games compared to the older more power GPUs which did not utilize unified shaders.

If you were to compare non shader intensive games then even my early 2004 6800GT could perform just as well as the Xbox 360 if not better.

7600gt
6.72b texels/s
240m poly/s

"Xenos"
8b texels/s
500m poly/s

7800gtx
13.2b texels/s
800m poly/s

D: ::gasp:: A card with 512mb of ram, in 7800gt~ area gpu, would have been around 4-500$, the 7800GTX 512mb launched at around 5-600$. And yes I know those are rather useless arbitrary numbers it's just raw performance, not usable... (was really just looking for the easiest/quickest thing I could compare)

I've owned a 6800 and 7800gtx! And played early 360/PS3 games on the latter.

The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

Raymundo_Manuel

[QUOTE="Grey_Eyed_Elf"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] the memory is the less rumored part so is not clear what could be. everything else looks to be around the target of performance .killzowned24

"In terms of memory, there is much uncertainty with the PlayStation 4, as was the initial plan for Sony 2GB unified memory in the machine to stop."

You can't "plan" 2GB on a chip that is based on 384bit memory rate.

This is made up. Sony Playstation's RND department isn't stupid.

Memory Bandwidth.

Tahiti supports 384bit bus width so the memory can't be 1GB-2GB-4GB... it would 384MB - 768MB - 1536MB - 3072MB - 6144MB.

I know Tretton said they want to be the best, but Tretton and Playstation as a whole would have to be the dumbest people on the planet to make this thing any more than $450. They also have to make sure the new system is easy to develop for, we don't want any broken games like Skyrim on Any of the next gen systems.layton2012

Skyrim was universally buggy across all systems; it wasn't a condition caused by the architecture of the PS3. Bethesda simply chooses to ship games without a full debug because, well, it's just impractical. There are way too many variables to test under every circumstance. Let the community report issues and patch them as they come, that way you don't have to spend resources debugging and you meet your release window.

[QUOTE="layton2012"]I know Tretton said they want to be the best, but Tretton and Playstation as a whole would have to be the dumbest people on the planet to make this thing any more than $450. They also have to make sure the new system is easy to develop for, we don't want any broken games like Skyrim on Any of the next gen systems.Basinboy

Skyrim was universally buggy across all systems; it wasn't a condition caused by the architecture of the PS3. Bethesda simply chooses to ship games without a full debug because, well, it's just impractical. There are way too many variables to test under every circumstance. Let the community report issues and patch them as they come, that way you don't have to spend resources debugging and you meet your release window.

The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

Raymundo_Manuel

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

2GB of ram is extremely low, a 7970 and 680 come with at least 3gb as a standard. And to be 'in-line' with previous generations progress in Ram amounts it should be 8gb, not 2 - 3.

I don't see much of a purpose of pairing an APU with a top end GPU, would be better to just get a strait processor.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

The PS4 is not going to be released with a chip which contains not only the power of a $150 processor, but also a $500 video card.

Raymundo_Manuel

Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.

Yes, but there are other parts these consoles have to include as well.

True it won't be an $600-$700 part to MS or Sony, but if Sony and MS want their consoles to be $300-$400 (which is just an assumption on my part) then I really doubt they'd be able to get a good enough deal to make it work. I don't think AMD is going to sell something like that for $500-$600 under cost simply because they'll sell millions of them because as it stands they already sell millions upon millions of processors and GPUs at MSRP.

It just seems like too much of a loss on AMD's side of things.

And the 360 did not have a GPU worth $500 in it. There were better cards in the year of the 360's release that were retailing for roughly $250-$300

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.

tormentos

Yes, but there are other parts these consoles have to include as well.

True it won't be an $600-$700 part to MS or Sony, but if Sony and MS want their consoles to be $300-$400 (which is just an assumption on my part) then I really doubt they'd be able to get a good enough deal to make it work. I don't think AMD is going to sell something like that for $500-$600 under cost simply because they'll sell millions of them because as it stands they already sell millions upon millions of processors and GPUs at MSRP.

It just seems like too much of a loss on AMD's side of things.

And the 360 did not have a GPU worth $500 in it. There were better cards in the year of the 360's release that were retailing for roughly $250-$300

Pink text is just blinded by hindsight bias. Today we can judge the 7800gt/1800xt as being weak and cheap in our minds, when in reality they were pretty high end for 2005/ early 06. The equivalent cards today seem too awesome and expensive in many PC gamer's minds but for MS and Sony they can subsidize the hardware heavily and it really won't be an issue, just as it was seven years ago.

[QUOTE="RyviusARC"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]
Console manufactures don't pay the consumer price, a 7970 wouldn't be 500$ by next year and it's not abnormal to take a loss, like the 360 having a gpu worth nearly 500$ in it.Inconsistancy

The Xbox 360 did not have a GPU worth nearly 500USD in it.

It was a mid end GPU which was much cheaper but since it had new unified shader tech it could perform much better in shader intensive games compared to the older more power GPUs which did not utilize unified shaders.

If you were to compare non shader intensive games then even my early 2004 6800GT could perform just as well as the Xbox 360 if not better.

7600gt
6.72b texels/s
240m poly/s

"Xenos"
8b texels/s
500m poly/s

7800gtx
13.2b texels/s
800m poly/s

D: ::gasp:: A card with 512mb of ram, in 7800gt~ area gpu, would have been around 4-500$, the 7800GTX 512mb launched at around 5-600$. And yes I know those are rather useless arbitrary numbers it's just raw performance, not usable... (was really just looking for the easiest/quickest thing I could compare)

I've owned a 6800 and 7800gtx! And played early 360/PS3 games on the latter.

You don't get it do you,amd would not even manufacture the thing from all we know,sony could make them,them self and pay royalties,those card that cost $500 or more are sell under a high profit margin,because AMD and Nvidia don't make games to make for losses,so they win on the hardware,those GPU are more expensive that complete computer with monitors and all.. I don't know why you don't believe the PS4 could release with a GPU like that,after all wasn't the 360 GPU more advance that Nvidia and Ati GPU on the market on 2005.? and still the 360 was $400.tormentos

Right, and as I said in the year of the 360's release there were better cards retailing for $250-$300.

And I already made the point that I understand that Sony and MS get their parts for cheaper than retail, but they don't get them for $600 reduced which is all I'm saying.

If you want the next Playstation and Xbox to retail at a price below $600 then don't expect to have a 7970 inside of it.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

You don't get it do you,amd would not even manufacture the thing from all we know,sony could make them,them self and pay royalties,those card that cost $500 or more are sell under a high profit margin,because AMD and Nvidia don't make games to make for losses,so they win on the hardware,those GPU are more expensive that complete computer with monitors and all.. I don't know why you don't believe the PS4 could release with a GPU like that,after all wasn't the 360 GPU more advance that Nvidia and Ati GPU on the market on 2005.? and still the 360 was $400.Raymundo_Manuel

Right, and as I said in the year of the 360's release there were better cards retailing for $250-$300.

And I already made the point that I understand that Sony and MS get their parts for cheaper than retail, but they don't get them for $600 reduced which is all I'm saying.

If you want the next Playstation and Xbox to retail at a price below $600 then don't expect to have a 7970 inside of it.

How is it possible that there were better cards going for $250 when the best at that time (November 2005) was the 7800GT? The 7900 series only came out in early 06...

Fake.

That thing will burn with that graphics card.

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

You don't get it do you,amd would not even manufacture the thing from all we know,sony could make them,them self and pay royalties,those card that cost $500 or more are sell under a high profit margin,because AMD and Nvidia don't make games to make for losses,so they win on the hardware,those GPU are more expensive that complete computer with monitors and all.. I don't know why you don't believe the PS4 could release with a GPU like that,after all wasn't the 360 GPU more advance that Nvidia and Ati GPU on the market on 2005.? and still the 360 was $400.Magescrew

Right, and as I said in the year of the 360's release there were better cards retailing for $250-$300.

And I already made the point that I understand that Sony and MS get their parts for cheaper than retail, but they don't get them for $600 reduced which is all I'm saying.

If you want the next Playstation and Xbox to retail at a price below $600 then don't expect to have a 7970 inside of it.

How is it possible that there were better cards going for $250 when the best at that time (November 2005) was the 7800GT? The 7900 series only came out in early 06...

Yah, and? Both the 7800gt, and x1800xt were going for around $250-$300 at that time.

The 360's GPU is weaker than the x1800xt though it does have the unified shader which the x1800xt did not have.

I've heard that the Xenos, at the time of launch, cost MS around $130 of the total cost of the system, and when you think about that it's not too much of a difference between the $130 that MS spent, and the price ATi could produce it for.

The 7970, on the other hand, is a $500 card. Not only that, but this APU that's being discussed doesn't even exist yet.

We're talking the power of a $500 video card, and a $150-$200 processor on a single chip, and you guys think that this chip plus all the other hardware involved in making a console, can be had for sub-$300-$400?

Maybe, MAYBE if Sony and MS are still years away from release of their next system, but by that time this stuff won't be top of the line anyways.

I really doubt the PS4 will be $800umcommon

Fake.

That thing will burn with that graphics card.

super600

So no Cell 2.0?

[QUOTE="umcommon"]I really doubt the PS4 will be $800-Renegade

7970 ey? lolno.

Code named Liverpool? Will not buy if true.

[QUOTE="Magescrew"]

[QUOTE="Raymundo_Manuel"]

Right, and as I said in the year of the 360's release there were better cards retailing for $250-$300.

And I already made the point that I understand that Sony and MS get their parts for cheaper than retail, but they don't get them for $600 reduced which is all I'm saying.

If you want the next Playstation and Xbox to retail at a price below $600 then don't expect to have a 7970 inside of it.

Raymundo_Manuel

How is it possible that there were better cards going for $250 when the best at that time (November 2005) was the 7800GT? The 7900 series only came out in early 06...

Yah, and? Both the 7800gt, and x1800xt were going for around $250-$300 at that time.

The 360's GPU is weaker than the x1800xt though it does have the unified shader which the x1800xt did not have.

I've heard that the Xenos, at the time of launch, cost MS around $130 of the total cost of the system, and when you think about that it's not too much of a difference between the $130 that MS spent, and the price ATi could produce it for.

The 7970, on the other hand, is a $500 card. Not only that, but this APU that's being discussed doesn't even exist yet.

We're talking the power of a $500 video card, and a $150-$200 processor on a single chip, and you guys think that this chip plus all the other hardware involved in making a console, can be had for sub-$300-$400?

Maybe, MAYBE if Sony and MS are still years away from release of their next system, but by that time this stuff won't be top of the line anyways.

What I'm saying is the 7800gt, a top end card, would not have been going for $250 a month after its release (which is what you are saying since the 360 came out Novermber 2005...)

What I'm saying is the 7800gt, a top end card, would not have been going for $250 a month after its release (which is what you are saying since the 360 came out Novermber 2005...)

Magescrew

The 7800gtx - no

The 7800gtx Ultra - definitely not

The 7800gt - yes