New PS4 rumor

[QUOTE="umcommon"]I really doubt the PS4 will be $800-Renegade

2GB? I don't get it, RAM is so friggin cheap these days. Just do 8GB and give devs some space to work with.

2GB? I don't get it, RAM is so friggin cheap these days. Just do 8GB and give devs some space to work with.

RandomWinner

Cheap? We are talking about the Ultra high-speed GDDR here, not the cheap system RAM. It had costed M$ $1B more just to have additional 256MB GDDR3 in their box. You said that cheap?

There is no way in heck it would have an HD7970, cost aside it draws way too much power and takes up way too much space. Even an HD7970M I can't see happening due to the cost and power constraints.

Steamroller is a bit more believable depending on when it releases, but that is still unlikely IMO.

So no Cell 2.0?

AdobeArtist

Nope Sony's ditching further Cell technology development.

Lol, yeah right a unified GPU with a TDP of 220 Watts + a CPU with a TDP of 90+ Watts... on the same die?

LOL!

AND a total cost of over $700 JUST on those parts.

Yeah, totally legit.

What seems more plausible is a Tahiti chip based on somehting like the 7750 to maybe a 7830, paired downa bit in clock speed and vRAM with a paired down 3 Ghz 4 core CPU.

That seems more likely, and even then, it'll be hard for Sony to break even on the hardware out fo the gate.

Kinthalis

Why do hermits forget the fact that console manufactures are able to build something far less then the average consumer. Im not sure why that fact slips by all hermits. Its like you think Sony just orders there crap off newegg and slaps together the next playstation.

1000$ price tag confirmed.MonsieurX

Agreed. If those specs are real then the price of the console is going to be ridiculous.

Lol, yeah right a unified GPU with a TDP of 220 Watts + a CPU with a TDP of 90+ Watts... on the same die?

LOL!

AND a total cost of over $700 JUST on those parts.

Yeah, totally legit.

What seems more plausible is a Tahiti chip based on somehting like the 7750 to maybe a 7830, paired downa bit in clock speed and vRAM with a paired down 3 Ghz 4 core CPU.

That seems more likely, and even then, it'll be hard for Sony to break even on the hardware out fo the gate.

Kinthalis

FYI pc parts dont automatically translate to a console build.

They could be based off those but redesigned and re calibrated to suit the consoles needs.

7970:lol: yeah thats going to happen....if it comes out in 2015 maybe

Fake. Until we see the specs from Sony all of these rumors are irrelevant.

The gpu can be customized and take pc features out that are not needed,bringing price and power draw down. I think a card like that would be less than 200 for sony.killzowned24

Apparently this is not fake, but OP got the specs wrong. There is no 7970. They're referring to the 1843 GFLOPS GPU in some way. So this:

AMD x86 Quad Core at 3.2 GHz ATI r10xx(3rd generation)GFLOPS at 800 MHz and 1843

killzowned24

is the APU of the console. There is no secondary 7970 GPU.

Apparently this is not fake, but OP got the specs wrong. There is no 7970. They're referring to the 1843 GFLOPS GPU in some way. So this:

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]

AMD x86 Quad Core at 3.2 GHz ATI r10xx(3rd generation)GFLOPS at 800 MHz and 1843

Cheese-Muffins

is the APU of the console. There is no secondary 7970 GPU.

Seem's like now the rumour has changed to a APU using AMD's Core Next architecture similar to Pictarin (7850/7870). Which explains the RAM thing I was trying to point out earlier in the thread that no one really bothered looking into...

Still a rumour. Not confirmed or even acknowledged in the vaguest sense.

LINK

So no GPU only an APU using a similar chip to what is used in the 7970?hoosier7

Sort of. Except it won't be 7970-Tahiti. Basically, according to people with knowledge at NeoGAF (if I'm summarizing this correctly), is that these are the target specs. At the time when these specs were given, the only 7XXX chip known was Tahiti, so that was the only comparable chip to classify what was in the PS4. As you can see, though, the 7970 is 3789 GFLOPS card. This is nowhere near it. Instead, as the specifications of the SI series were released, it sounds like the chip will be more of an underclocked Pitcairn (underclocked 7850/7870).

Still a rumour. Not confirmed or even acknowledged in the vaguest sense.

Grey_Eyed_Elf

People with knowledge over at NeoGAF confirmed this is the real deal. Have they changed their initial targets, however? I don't know, but right now, this is the most accurate information we have of the specs. Regardless, though, I imagine these should be right around the final PS4's performance.

A $400+ GPU.

Yeah, I doubt that. It could be based on the same architecture, but they aren't throwing a 7970 into the PS4. That wouldn't be cost effective at all. You would be paying $600 for the base SKU.

A $400+ GPU.

Yeah, I doubt that. It could be based on the same architecture, but they aren't throwing a 7970 into the PS4. That wouldn't be cost effective at all. You would be paying $600 for the base SKU.

Wasdie

You cannot compared spec for spec from ATI to Nvidia. They have different architectures. I just know that when I was playing games like CoD 4 and FEAR that they ran just as good if not better on my 6800gt. Also Dead Space 1 ran at about the same settings as consoles. Most of the earlier games this gen ran just as good on my 6800gt but that was because they were not shader intensive games. I am not saying the 6800gt is more powerful. The Xenos is better especially since it has unified shader tech. But the Xenos only shines above it when you start to compare those shader intensive games. And I brought that up to explain that this next gen won't have anything monumental like unified shaders. RyviusARC

My assumptions were: nearly 500$ value (consumer prices), around the performance of a 7800gt(sorta looks wrong now... : /) and how it felt for me to play "modern" (as in any game from this generation) games on my 7800gtx vs their performance on the consoles, specifically ME2(easily playable at 1280x1024) and Mirror's Edge(at 800x600). Both happen to be UE3 games!

Also, I'll have to admit, based on this crap, you aren't wrong about the 6800's ability to play modern crap, so long as it's very light on shaders, but I was wrong to think it couldn't.

6800u (some time in the past, probably 2004)
6.4tex/s
6.4pix/s
17.6b shader ops/s (16pp* + 6vp**) x 2 ops/cycle x 400mhz(core)

x1800gto (Mar. 9, 2006)
6b tex/s
6b pix/s
20b shader ops/s (12pp + 8vp) x 2 ops/cycle x 500mhz

7800gt (Aug. 11, 2005)
6.4b tex/s
8b pix/s
21b shader ops/s (20pp + 7vp) x 2ops/cycle x 400mhz

x1800XL (Oct. 5, 2005)
8b tex/s
8b pix/s
24b shader ops/s (16pp + 8vp) x 2ops/cycle x 500mhz

7800GTX (June 22, 2005)
6.8 tex/s
10.8 pix/s
25.8b shader ops/s(24pp + 8 vp) x 2ops/c x 430mhz

X1800XT (Oct. 5, 2005)
10b tex/s
10b pix/s
30b shader ops/s (16pp + 8vp) x 2 ops/cycle x 625mhz

"Xenos" (Nov. 16, 2005)
8b tex/s
6b pix/s
48b shader ops/s | 48up*** x 2 ops/cycle x 500mhz

7800GTX512 (Nov. 14, 2005)
13.2b tex/s
8.8 pix/s
33b shader ops/s (24pp + 8 vp) with x 2ops/c x550mhz

X1900XT(Oct. 17, 2006)
10b tex/s
10b pix/s
70b shader ops/s(48pp + 8 vp) x 2 ops/cycle x 625mhz

8800GT (Oct. 29, 2007)
33.6 tex/s
9.6 pix/s
336b ops/s | 112shader processors x 2ops/c x 1500mhz(shader core)

*pixel pipeline(s)
**vertex pipeline(s)
***unified pipeline(s)

i'm guessing that the two chips apu+gpu would be equivalent to a single 7970, something closer to the 7850 would be engough for that, although we have no idea how powerful the gpu in the apu is. they could impliment amds ZeroCore tech and vertually shut down the second gpu when it's not needed. the rumour also mentions 16gb of flash memory for the os , the specs are pretty interesting (and totally plausible) but it's not offical so i'm gonna have to take them with a handful of salt.

I could see a 7770 or even a 7850 or 7870 (but underclocked and halved VRAM), and 2GB RAM + 1GB or 1.2GB of VRAM.

An A10 APU would be a good bet for hybrid crossfire and a decent quad-core setup.

I hope it's got 4GB of RAM. I know it's going to be a far cry from a high-end gaming rig, however one of the PS3's biggest problems this gen was a lack of RAM, and I hope Sony learns their lesson and gives it a little more than they assume it needs instead of barely enough to operate. I think devs will let out a sigh of release if they have 4GB to work with instead of just 2, especially since this gen they had to work aound a sad 256MB. Also, the processor sounds very nice.Timstuff

A $400+ GPU.

Yeah, I doubt that. It could be based on the same architecture, but they aren't throwing a 7970 into the PS4. That wouldn't be cost effective at all. You would be paying $600 for the base SKU.

Wasdie

So no Cell 2.0?

AdobeArtist

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

A $400+ GPU.

Yeah, I doubt that. It could be based on the same architecture, but they aren't throwing a 7970 into the PS4. That wouldn't be cost effective at all. You would be paying $600 for the base SKU.

tormentos

I hope you're right.

I hope it's got 4GB of RAM. I know it's going to be a far cry from a high-end gaming rig, however one of the PS3's biggest problems this gen was a lack of RAM, and I hope Sony learns their lesson and gives it a little more than they assume it needs instead of barely enough to operate. I think devs will let out a sigh of release if they have 4GB to work with instead of just 2, especially since this gen they had to work aound a sad 256MB. Also, the processor sounds very nice.Timstuff

Well, according to the vgleaks report, they currently (at least these targets were) going with 2GB, but hoping to push for 4GB. Since these were the initial targets, and Epic has already stated trying to get Sony and Microsoft to raise their initial specs, I think 4GB could be reasonable. Of course, it all boils down to the RAM type. I would think it would be far better to go with smaller amounts of faster RAM type (GDDR5) than a larger quanity of slower (DDR3) RAM.

Right now, due to the 256MB desnity of GDDR5, you would need a whole 8 chips to get 2GB. Going 16 chips on a console to hit 4GB seems way too excessive and complex, but frankly, I don't know.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]The gpu can be customized and take pc features out that are not needed,bringing price and power draw down. I think a card like that would be less than 200 for sony.mitu123

Sounds legit to me.

These machines have to stay relevant for almost 10 years, so they have to be kinda overpowered in the beginning.

Sony doesn't have an answer to Kinect or tablet gimmick, so what can they compete on? Only pure performance.

MS can stuff schitty hardware in the box and people will still buy it for "your body is the controller."

Also realize they're not stuffing an entire video card in, just the chip itself, which will be half of the APU, which Sony can probably manufacture themselves under license for $100-$150.

And there ya go, a $400-$500 console with good power under the hood.

Sounds legit to me.

These machines have to stay relevant for almost 10 years, so they have to be kinda overpowered in the beginning.

Sony doesn't have an answer to Kinect or tablet gimmick, so what can they compete on? Only pure performance.

MS can stuff schitty hardware in the box and people will still buy it for "your body is the controller."

Also realize they're not stuffing an entire video card in, just the chip itself, which will be half of the APU, which Sony can probably manufacture themselves under license for $100-$150.

And there ya go, a $400-$500 console with good power under the hood.

ZombieKiller7

They can also use Microsofts strategy, and sell the console cheap, then charge them over time.

Instead of a 500-600 dollar console, a 300 dollar console, with a 10 dollar a month fee or contract for 2 years.

Am sure both Sony and Microsoft can make a deal with graphic card makers so that its cheaper for them and still profitable for the makers.

Having a better GPU is better for next gen.
As with anything with quality and being great, expect a bit of a price increase, which should not matter cos a few bucks of GOOD next-gen gaming, am in.

Ive saved a fortune with steam sales. So why not?

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]The gpu can be customized and take pc features out that are not needed,bringing price and power draw down. I think a card like that would be less than 200 for sony.killzowned24

I'm shocked that people are only bringing up the price of the 7970. To me the biggest issue is the thing is a tank. The PS4 would have to be twice the size of the PS3 fat. The card has 3 gigs of VRAM lol.Grawse

Graphics cards are huge mainly due to the cooling system around the actual chip itself. It could be reworked. But I highly doubt that they'd use the 7970. Doesn't seem plausible to me.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="mitu123"] It wouldn't be the same 7970 then, in fact it'll be a lot worse!mitu123

There was actually another rumor on gaf that Sony replaced the steamroller cores with Jaguar cores. That would give a pretty weak CPU. It will be interesting to see if Sony goes from strong CPU + weak GPU --> to strong GPU + weak CPU.

[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="killzowned24"] not in closed box maybe:P anyway..like said, i got the link wrong in translation.it says its just part of the family of 7970, the actual gpu is between a 7850-7870.killzowned24