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#1 bufu21
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With all eyes fixed on next week's GamesCom in Cologne, speculation has been at an all time high. Many publications are going out on a limb and betting the farm on news coming in from "sources". Playstation Insider, has even gone as far saying that they know everything Sony has in store for the convention. They go on to list: PSP Go price cut, PS3 Slim, New PSN, and Firmware 3.0, as all being present at the show.

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what do you guys think?

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With all eyes fixed on next week's GamesCom in Cologne, speculation has been at an all time high. Many publications are going out on a limb and betting the farm on news coming in from "sources". Playstation Insider, has even gone as far saying that they know everything Sony has in store for the convention. They go on to list: PSP Go price cut, PS3 Slim, New PSN, and Firmware 3.0, as all being present at the show.

As far as a PSP Go price cut, I personally have never seen product receive a price cut before it's launched in any industry, especially the video game industry. There is a possibility that Sony has been listening to the gaming public's out cry about the price, but the most you can likely expect is a downloadable-game voucher pack-in, not a price cut. It's a premium product, with a premium price.

The PS3 Slim's announcement at this point is obvious and I don't feel like beating a dead horse. I'll let the N4G crowd kill each other over this one.

The last two mentions were the ones that I found most interesting out of the entire bunch. This "New" PSN being referred to is most likely a new PSN Store, namely a PS2 Store. Firmware 3.0, rather than introducing things gamers have been waiting on like voice messaging and cross-game chat, will probably bring about the long forgotten "Backwards Compatibility" feature.

Does Sony's very recent patent of Emotion Engine emulation technology on the Cell Processor ring a bell? If not, have a look for yourself. Maybe you're a skeptic, and reading patent information isn't your thing, well in that case check out this photo from about a year ago (which everyone has forgotten about), right before the PSN Video Store was launched. It Showcases the PS2's Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty in a PSN-like store. Coincidence, highly doubt it.

Q.With all of the money they have been losing every single quarter/year since launch, why would Sony still have this technology researched and then patented? A. To USE it!

Sony is trying they're hardest to play catch-up in a race that is all but lost this generation. By adding Backwards Compatibilty, Sony instantly transforms the PS3 into the console with the most playable games on the market. I want to make it clear that this in no way is intended to start a flame war, I just want to try to piece something together with an actual basis for argument rather than using unnamed "sources". Either way, all of us will be seing the fruits of Sony's labor next week during the convention and all speculation will go to rest, so stay tuned!

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With all eyes fixed on next week's GamesCom in Cologne, speculation has been at an all time high. Many publications are going out on a limb and betting the farm on news coming in from "sources". Playstation Insider, has even gone as far saying that they know everything Sony has in store for the convention. They go on to list: PSP Go price cut, PS3 Slim, New PSN, and Firmware 3.0, as all being present at the show.

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what do you guys think?

bufu21

Hey :twisted:......3 hours conference is a LONG time. ;)

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#4 Hungry_Jello
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I really really really hope the BC is true.

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#5 WiiMan21
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This is great news! if they allow cross chatting and a party system the ps3 will rock even harder!

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#6 The__Havoc
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We should just call the PS3 the Speculation Station. I'll just wait until something is confirmed.

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#7 Gxgear
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Top 3 rumors for PS3:

1.PS3 price drop (still a rumor)

2.PS3 slim (still a rumor)

3.PS3 BC patch (still a rumor)

Those rumors may very well be the truth in the future, because it's the 3 things PS3 users want most. But until Sony decides to listen and give the people what they want rumors they will remain.

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#8 RTUUMM
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I hope to God that this is true.
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#9 mrarmyman48
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I really really really hope the BC is true.

Hungry_Jello

This is great news! if they allow cross chatting and a party system the ps3 will rock even harder!

WiiMan21
they didnt spend millions of dollars and man ours developing this stuff and making these patents just so people could blog about it on N4G. Sony also said on the PSblog that they are working on getting ingame voice chat onto the system. I think all of that is comming.
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#10 gago-gago
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Good news for those people who wanted PS2 BC but I wont' believe until it happens.

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BC would make my year. i cant hook up my ps2 everytime i want to play its games....but can i play online ps2 games on ps3?

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#12 bubbleboyii
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I was expecting software BC to come eventually, but I hope it's a lot more than just digital downloads. It better work with the discs too.

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#13 navyguy21
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BC would make my year. i cant hook up my ps2 everytime i want to play its games....but can i play online ps2 games on ps3?

YekDastan316

no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

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"By adding Full Backwards Compatibilty, Sony instantly transforms the PS3 into the console with the most playable games on the market."

this is probably the most important thing mentioned, and this will help sony in the console race. The PS2 was as successful as it was because it had the largest game liabrary of any console EVER. not only did it have the most AAA of its generation, ps2 owners could also play all of the massive catologue of PS1 AAA titles. An AAA is an AAA, reguardless of generation, and the PSone had some of the biggest industry moving and shaking titles of all time, and these games were playable on PS2 making it part of the PS2 game liabrary.

I think the real reason sony took BC out of the PS3, was not "to make people buy more PS3 games" like their PR team wants us to think, but it was because they want people to keep buying PS2s. they were loosing money on every PS3 sold, while they were making a **** ton offf of ps2s. they needed that revenue from PS2s. and now that MANU costs are down, they will likely add BC again8)

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#15 Brainhunter
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I was expecting software BC to come eventually, but I hope it's a lot more than just digital downloads. It better work with the discs too.

bubbleboyii
Here's to hoping, it's all we could ever do with Sony, lol.
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[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]

BC would make my year. i cant hook up my ps2 everytime i want to play its games....but can i play online ps2 games on ps3?

navyguy21

no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

I was able to play NFS Most Wanted (I think, know for sure it was a PS2 NFS because it looked like crap) on my PS3 online. So I know it works but I haven't tried any other PS2 games online.

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]

BC would make my year. i cant hook up my ps2 everytime i want to play its games....but can i play online ps2 games on ps3?

XturnalS

no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

I was able to play NFS Most Wanted (I think, know for sure it was a PS2 NFS because it looked like crap) on my PS3 online. So I know it works but I haven't tried any other PS2 games online.

Why the heck does that work and not Socom 2?? :P WTF sony?? :P Thats like MS making 4x4 evo BC but not MGS 2 :P
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amazing news if it happens.

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Cool. If that's true I might actually buy all 3 MGS games off on PSN:D Oh and if FFX comes I'll definetly be downloading that too. Finally Sony does something gamers want, if true.
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#20 omarguy01
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Why haven't I bought a PS3? Backwards compatibility. That's why. Get that back in and I'm sold.

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I don't get it.

Didn't sony have BC on the PS3 and then take it off and now implement it again?

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[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

navyguy21

I was able to play NFS Most Wanted (I think, know for sure it was a PS2 NFS because it looked like crap) on my PS3 online. So I know it works but I haven't tried any other PS2 games online.

Why the heck does that work and not Socom 2?? :P WTF sony?? :P Thats like MS making 4x4 evo BC but not MGS 2 :P

ahhh Socom 2 is what i was hoping for too....i guess im stuck with socom confrontation untill socom 4 comes out....hoping slant six doesnt work on it tho...

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#23 mightychir
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Oh god make this be true...
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#24 santoron
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I still don't understand why EE re-emulation points to a totally software based BC solution. The EE has been emulated since the Original 80 GB PS3s and the PAL launch. It's the Graphics Sythesizer that still required a hardware solution for BC, and we haven't seen the any information about it being emulated yet.

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#25 bigboss5ak
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Im just hoping for BC I really wanna play the persona games and I never finished grandia 3. When is this conference anyway??
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#26 imprezawrx500
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if true about ps2 game on psn that would own. mgs series for download and work on any 40/80gb ps3 would be awesome, I'd totally buy that.
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I don't really care that much because I have a 60GB Ps3 that already has BC, the only thing I want is cross-game chat, or a party system

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[QUOTE="XturnalS"]

[QUOTE="navyguy21"] no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

navyguy21

I was able to play NFS Most Wanted (I think, know for sure it was a PS2 NFS because it looked like crap) on my PS3 online. So I know it works but I haven't tried any other PS2 games online.

Why the heck does that work and not Socom 2?? :P WTF sony?? :P Thats like MS making 4x4 evo BC but not MGS 2 :P

SOCOM 2 and SOCOM CA both worked for me. Did you install the network settings on your PS3?

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I doubt we'll see ps2 BC returned when they will make more money selling ps2 games on the psn store.

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#30 danish-death
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I doubt we'll see ps2 BC returned when they will make more money selling ps2 games on the psn store.

WilliamRLBaker
I'm not quite surewhat you mean? You doubt we'll see PS2 BC because it will actually sell?
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I mighty actually have something nice to say about the scum sucki...er sony if they bring back BC but only if it's 100% back and not just on select titles they happen to be selling on there store.

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#32 W1NGMAN-
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Oh God let the BC rumor be true...I wanna play GOW2 again sooo bad :(

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I want to catch up on some games D:
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PSP Go price cutbufu21
I'm sure none of this is true, but I hope at least this happens. Partly because they need to do it and partly because it would be really funny.
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

I doubt we'll see ps2 BC returned when they will make more money selling ps2 games on the psn store.

danish-death
I'm not quite surewhat you mean? You doubt we'll see PS2 BC because it will actually sell?

He's saying Sony won't let you emulate PS2 games while they're selling them on PSN because they want to overcharge you.
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#36 dereknippl-e
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I'm looking forward to hearing the collective shattering of hearts when NONE of these rumors (slim, BC, price cut) are proven to be true at either GamesCon or TGS.

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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]

[QUOTE="YekDastan316"]

BC would make my year. i cant hook up my ps2 everytime i want to play its games....but can i play online ps2 games on ps3?

XturnalS

no you cant, i have a BC 60g PS3, and so far, i havent found a game yet that works online:(

I was able to play NFS Most Wanted (I think, know for sure it was a PS2 NFS because it looked like crap) on my PS3 online. So I know it works but I haven't tried any other PS2 games online.

Killzone 1 online works on your PS3. Hope the BC patch is true (even though my PS3 is already BC.
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#38 manicfoot
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I don't get it.

Didn't sony have BC on the PS3 and then take it off and now implement it again?

AdmiralBison

Yes. They took it out to cut costs. The PS3 had the PS2 chipset inside it and it bumped up the cost of the PS3. If this rumour is true, they'll be using software to emulate the PS2 instead of the chipset. I think this is very good news :) Can't wait to have all my favourite PS1/2 games on one HDD.

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I'm calling BS on this. I've already said this in another thread, but why would "New PSN" translate to "PS2 store?" Do PS1/PSP games have their own store? No. If they were going to sell PS2 games I'd expect them to do it the same way they sell old games, i.e. just put them in the regular store updates. Of course, with the new PSP on the way, they might make a seperate part of the store for PSP games.

Also, that "very recent patent" they talk about is actually from December last year.

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Woah, MGS2 for £13 is a major ripoff. Could get in store for about £4.

I don't really care if this is true. Still waiting for cross-game chat...

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Would be great if true, I guess we'll have to wait and see for ourselves.
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it would be fantastic if sony made PS3 BC

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[quote="SOURCE"]With all eyes fixed on next week's GamesCom in Cologne, speculation has been at an all time high. Many publications are going out on a limb and betting the farm on news coming in from "sources". Playstation Insider, has even gone as far saying that they know everything Sony has in store for the convention. They go on to list: PSP Go price cut, PS3 Slim, New PSN, and Firmware 3.0, as all being present at the show.

As far as a PSP Go price cut, I personally have never seen product receive a price cut before it's launched in any industry, especially the video game industry. There is a possibility that Sony has been listening to the gaming public's out cry about the price, but the most you can likely expect is a downloadable-game voucher pack-in, not a price cut. It's a premium product, with a premium price.

The PS3 Slim's announcement at this point is obvious and I don't feel like beating a dead horse. I'll let the N4G crowd kill each other over this one.

The last two mentions were the ones that I found most interesting out of the entire bunch. This "New" PSN being referred to is most likely a new PSN Store, namely a PS2 Store. Firmware 3.0, rather than introducing things gamers have been waiting on like voice messaging and cross-game chat, will probably bring about the long forgotten "Backwards Compatibility" feature.

Does Sony's very recent patent of Emotion Engine emulation technology on the Cell Processor ring a bell? If not, have a look for yourself. Maybe you're a skeptic, and reading patent information isn't your thing, well in that case check out this photo from about a year ago (which everyone has forgotten about), right before the PSN Video Store was launched. It Showcases the PS2's Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty in a PSN-like store. Coincidence, highly doubt it.

Q.With all of the money they have been losing every single quarter/year since launch, why would Sony still have this technology researched and then patented? A. To USE it!

Sony is trying they're hardest to play catch-up in a race that is all but lost this generation. By adding Backwards Compatibilty, Sony instantly transforms the PS3 into the console with the most playable games on the market. I want to make it clear that this in no way is intended to start a flame war, I just want to try to piece something together with an actual basis for argument rather than using unnamed "sources". Either way, all of us will be seing the fruits of Sony's labor next week during the convention and all speculation will go to rest, so stay tuned!

mrarmyman48

posted entire article for the lazy people:D


If anyone is wondering what those other games are, its: fantavision, ssx, red faction, and I think the bouncer?

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If anyone is wondering what those other games are, its: fantavision, ssx, red faction, and I think the bouncer?

2-10-08

Also Smuggler's Run and some racing game. Maybe GT.

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OMG to come out with SOCOM 2 on psn with online still would be epic, and most likely kill the socom out now lol
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#46 tonitorsi
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Damn, I really, REALLY,hope this is true :|

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#47 Mckenna1845
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a psp go pricecut lol, that would be pretty funny. i hope it is true i'd like backwards compatibility so i can finally sell my ps2!
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OMG to come out with SOCOM 2 on psn with online still would be epic, and most likely kill the socom out now lolriver_rat3117
I've played all the Socom games single player and on-line on my 60 gig PS3 without a problem until the map patch for Combined Assault was released and now it doesn't want to connect. I just gotta find out what is needed to get it working again. It seems that it has to do with memory space although there is a ton of room on my HDD. As for the Graphics Syntesizer I don't think there has even been development on this emulator. The patent was back in the early days before the EE chip was removed and replaced with a emulator. This artical has been flooting around for almost as long as the PS3 has been on the market.
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#49 Riverwolf007
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no bc until the ps2 sales slows down ... that will be in what? 2013? 2014???

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#50 KrazyKev26
Member since 2005 • 956 Posts

[QUOTE="2-10-08"]If anyone is wondering what those other games are, its: fantavision, ssx, red faction, and I think the bouncer?

Cherokee_Jack

Also Smuggler's Run and some racing game. Maybe GT.

It's Ridge Racer 5 :P.