New screens for the awesome looking Dragon Age: Origins *Ogres kill 56k*

Is it a co-op dungeon crawler? Not really looked into this, but nothing much coming out interests me, and I want some good long lasting games I can play with friends.bobbetybob

Bioware have been letting me down lately. Mass Effect was not only a derivative sci-fi universe, but it kinda sucked as an action-RPG. Star Wars:TOR doesn't know if it wants to be a single player RPG or true-blue MMO, but whatever the case, it's turned into a game full of lightsabers, and a few bounty hunters thrown into the mix.

Dragon Age is a complete turn off for me. I hope the gameplay is damn good, because the universe isn't. I thought it couldn't get more unoriginal than Mass Effect, but Bioware proved me wrong.

I hate hating on Bioware but man where's the Baldur's Gate/NWN dev I use to know?

FrozenLiquid

They're still just as good, but why do people want rehashes. This is their spritual successor to Baldur's Gate. NWN is one of my favorite franchises, but it's been milked to hell and back, sadly. Mass Effect was simply amazing, though. I don't know what people want anymore. Every setting has been seen before. Unless you're going to have some pretty ****** up, out there idea, then most stuff is going to look similar. I think many have just gotten older and their standards have gotten way too high, so much that they can never be met. I just like some good fun. I guess gaming needs to be full of pretentious bull **** these days to garner any sort of attention.

Man OCT is going to rock. Demon souls and alpha protocol on the same day then this later on in the month. CANT WAIT!!!!

Man OCT is going to rock. Demon souls and alpha protocol on the same day then this later on in the month. CANT WAIT!!!!

finalfantasy94

And also Risen, Splinter Cell: Conviction, and Brutal Legend!

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]The way they're marketing this game is through complete and utter bull****, from the trailers with Manson to the way they talk about how no ones ever seen fantasy this dark before. It's a bit facepalm worthy.BioShockOwnz

Meh, I don't let music choice for trailers and PR speak bother me. This game is the ****! Come on and admit tomorrow's never coming! This is the new****! Come on and admit!

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]The way they're marketing this game is through complete and utter bull****, from the trailers with Manson to the way they talk about how no ones ever seen fantasy this dark before. It's a bit facepalm worthy.AAllxxjjnn

Meh, I don't let music choice for trailers and PR speak bother me. This game is the ****! Come on and admit tomorrow's never coming! This is the new****! Come on and admit!

I can't fault them for trying to reach for the more satanic mainstream with the satanist rock music, but I think this game will remain very niche. I heard it's pretty unforgiving, especially the bosses, so I'm gonna be getting my *** kicked in this one.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Meh, I don't let music choice for trailers and PR speak bother me. This game is the ****! Come on and admit tomorrow's never coming! This is the new****! Come on and admit!

BioShockOwnz

I can't fault them for trying to reach for the more satanic mainstream with the satanist rock music, but I think this game will remain very niche. I heard it's pretty unforgiving, especially the bosses, so I'm gonna be getting my *** kicked in this one.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

Man OCT is going to rock. Demon souls and alpha protocol on the same day then this later on in the month. CANT WAIT!!!!

BioShockOwnz

And also Risen, Splinter Cell: Conviction, and Brutal Legend!

AND BRUTAL LEGEND!?. Man so much games to little time.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

Bioware have been letting me down lately. Mass Effect was not only a derivative sci-fi universe, but it kinda sucked as an action-RPG. Star Wars:TOR doesn't know if it wants to be a single player RPG or true-blue MMO, but whatever the case, it's turned into a game full of lightsabers, and a few bounty hunters thrown into the mix.

Dragon Age is a complete turn off for me. I hope the gameplay is damn good, because the universe isn't. I thought it couldn't get more unoriginal than Mass Effect, but Bioware proved me wrong.

I hate hating on Bioware but man where's the Baldur's Gate/NWN dev I use to know?

BioShockOwnz

They're still just as good, but why do people want rehashes. This is their spritual successor to Baldur's Gate. NWN is one of my favorite franchises, but it's been milked to hell and back, sadly. Mass Effect was simply amazing, though. I don't know what people want anymore. Every setting has been seen before. Unless you're going to have some pretty ****** up, out there idea, then most stuff is going to look similar. I think many have just gotten older and their standards have gotten way too high, so much that they can never be met. I just like some good fun. I guess gaming needs to be full of pretentious bull **** these days to garner any sort of attention.

I 100% agree with you bioshock. Honestly aside from all the BS this is one of those things that we can see eye to eye on.

Are those console screens? Because it looks far worse than the same scene they showed earlier

They brainstormed 5000 years of history for the Dragon Age world, and the result is the most goddamn generic looking RPG in recent years.

Pure genius.

Baranga

It;s a bit of a shame, because the first screens pointed to Arabic-inspired setting

Also...if Bioware things this is "Song of Ice and Fire of videogames" then they obviously never had any of Martin books in their hands :D

Looks good, but still waiting for NWN3.

wtf is a 56k

yohomes

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

They brainstormed 5000 years of history for the Dragon Age world, and the result is the most goddamn generic looking RPG in recent years.

Pure genius.

AdrianWerner

It;s a bit of a shame, because the first screens pointed to Arabic-inspired setting

Also...if Bioware things this is "Song of Ice and Fire of videogames" then they obviously never had any of Martin books in their hands :D

I want monies to buy these games :(

Wasdie

Looks pretty good

Doesn't really look THAT good but the art style is. Not very excited for this game. Bioware has severely disappointed me with Mass Effect and Jade Empire, so I will not get hyped up for any Bioware game. *sighs* to think they made Baldurs Gate.

Gameplay looks great, but from what i'm hearing, it's trying to copy The Witcher a bit, but i suppose that can't be too bad.

Been exited for this game since 2004. Can't wait for October 22. Although certain recent developments have waned my interest a bit.

I don't care either, but that's not exactly what you expect to see after 7 years of developement.

If you said the screenshots are from an Oblivion mod, I'd believe it. If you'd say it's a mod for The Witcher, Gothic 3, NWN2, Two Worlds, hell, even a mod for those crappy LOTR action games from a few years ago, I'd also believe it. It has no visual identity. Timeshift copies FEAR and HL2, but it managed to have a distinct look. Why can't BioWare do the same?

Then the voice actig is bad, I hate the accents.

The story sounds like ass, but whatever. If it's well delivered I don't care.

The emphasis put on MATURITY! and CHOICE! is laughable. They want to directly compete with The Witcher, but the marketing campaign shows a childish approach. They're also arrogant. In a recent Eurogamer interview they said their gory and sexy fantasy is original, thus disregarding 90% of the low fantasy. I remmeber facepalming at E3, I think they said something along the lines of "the first RPG with meaningful choices".

Baranga

Wasn't Fallout 1 the first rpg with meaningfull choices ?!

Or was that Ultima IV ?!

Or Wasteland ?!

They brainstormed 5000 years of history for the Dragon Age world, and the result is the most goddamn generic looking RPG in recent years.

Pure genius.

They're still just as good, but why do people want rehashes. This is their spritual successor to Baldur's Gate. NWN is one of my favorite franchises, but it's been milked to hell and back, sadly. Mass Effect was simply amazing, though. I don't know what people want anymore. Every setting has been seen before. Unless you're going to have some pretty ****** up, out there idea, then most stuff is going to look similar. I think many have just gotten older and their standards have gotten way too high, so much that they can never be met. I just like some good fun. I guess gaming needs to be full of pretentious bull **** these days to garner any sort of attention.

BioShockOwnz

No, not every setting has been seen before. Creativity is virtually limitless, but history likes to limit us. The problem with Mass Effect is that it screamed out just about every major sci-fi franchise of the 90s, and the movies of the 70s and 80s.

Dragon Age is pretty much the Lord of the Rings film IP without the license. There is more to high fantasy than Lord of the Rings, let alone just the movie franchise.

I mean, look at Deus Ex, basically a mish mash anything and everything geeky, and yet it turned out rather refreshing. It's unlike Mass Effect where Invasion of the Body Snatchers is staring me right in the face. Or how about something like Brutal Legend? It's kinda like Bill and Ted, but it's not giving off any sort of vibes like that.

Am I being pretentious? No, I'm just bored. I enjoyed Transformers 2 because it was entertaining. Can't say it was my most anticipated movie, nor can I say it was something I'll remember for the ages. Dragon Age is like that to me. Sure, it can be enjoyable during the time I play it, but I really doubt it's going to capture my imagination for a long time to come.

I thought it couldn't get more unoriginal than Mass Effect, but Bioware proved me wrong.

I hate hating on Bioware but man where's the Baldur's Gate/NWN dev I use to know?

FrozenLiquid

You can't get more unoriginal than Forgotten Realms. Originality has never been Bioware's strongest asset.

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I thought it couldn't get more unoriginal than Mass Effect, but Bioware proved me wrong.

I hate hating on Bioware but man where's the Baldur's Gate/NWN dev I use to know?

Icarian

You can't get more unoriginal than Forgotten Realms. Originality has never been Bioware's strongest asset.

Hmm, yet their games still have a tendency to be considered kick ass by the vast majority of the gaming community in general. So, I guess they must be doing something right after all these years. Of course, opinions will always vary.:)

No, not every setting has been seen before. Creativity is virtually limitless, but history likes to limit us. The problem with Mass Effect is that it screamed out just about every major sci-fi franchise of the 90s, and the movies of the 70s and 80s.

Dragon Age is pretty much the Lord of the Rings film IP without the license. There is more to high fantasy than Lord of the Rings, let alone just the movie franchise.

I mean, look at Deus Ex, basically a mish mash anything and everything geeky, and yet it turned out rather refreshing. It's unlike Mass Effect where Invasion of the Body Snatchers is staring me right in the face. Or how about something like Brutal Legend? It's kinda like Bill and Ted, but it's not giving off any sort of vibes like that.

Am I being pretentious? No, I'm just bored. I enjoyed Transformers 2 because it was entertaining. Can't say it was my most anticipated movie, nor can I say it was something I'll remember for the ages. Dragon Age is like that to me. Sure, it can be enjoyable during the time I play it, but I really doubt it's going to capture my imagination for a long time to come.

FrozenLiquid

If you think Dragon Age is "pretty much the Lord of the Rings film IP without the license" then I can't help you... One trailer was like that. ONE... If you can't take 20 seconds to look beyond that first impression, then I have nothing to say to you. Because honestly, it is hardly anything at all like LotR.

If you think Dragon Age is "pretty much the Lord of the Rings film IP without the license" then I can't help you... One trailer was like that. ONE... If you can't take 20 seconds to look beyond that first impression, then I have nothing to say to you. Because honestly, it is hardly anything at all like LotR.

horrowhip

Well, don't say anything then. But because I'm a good person, I'll watch the recent trailers so you will have the privilege of saying something to me again :P.

I've given Bioware a bit of leniency ever since Jade Empire (which I actually liked). Mass Effect was quite a let down in both gameplay and lore and then I was done delving deep into their games to find out whether it was worthwhile or not. You would think that since they have gotten rid of licensed properties they would create something that's quite a bit different from the rest.

If it's not Lord of the Rings I'm going to take a stab it's because the reverence for magic is lost and now everyone's sporting some badass mystical scars, swords, and sorcery. It's a mishmash of D&D campaigns, then.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

If you think Dragon Age is "pretty much the Lord of the Rings film IP without the license" then I can't help you... One trailer was like that. ONE... If you can't take 20 seconds to look beyond that first impression, then I have nothing to say to you. Because honestly, it is hardly anything at all like LotR.

FrozenLiquid

Well, don't say anything then. But because I'm a good person, I'll watch the recent trailers so you will have the privilege of saying something to me again :P.

I've given Bioware a bit of leniency ever since Jade Empire (which I actually liked). Mass Effect was quite a let down in both gameplay and lore and then I was done delving deep into their games to find out whether it was worthwhile or not. You would think that since they have gotten rid of licensed properties they would create something that's quite a bit different from the rest.

If it's not Lord of the Rings I'm going to take a stab it's because the reverence for magic is lost and now everyone's sporting some badass mystical scars, swords, and sorcery. It's a mishmash of D&D campaigns, then.

Objection Mass Effect's lore isn't original, but it was not a let down in any way. The fiction in that game was all well done, down to every aspect of that universe's past, creatures, planets, etc. So in originality yes it failed In terms of depth, writing, and overall design I don't think you could say it was bad or a "letdown". jg4xchamp

I too can rip 50 years of science-fiction, blend them together, and call it a day. Can I be critically acclaimed as well then?

Everything was so damn stock standard in Mass Effect it was disgusting. Sure, Mass Effect was huge. But it's just a whole lot of nothing. It's huge for the sake of being huge. I'm told of how the weapons you use work. I'm told of the companies that make the weapons. I'm told of the extranet. I'm even told of planets that you don't even need to know about. In the end, it was a whole lot of fluff that didn't mean anything. It was so incredibly generic I couldn't believe it. I enjoyed my time in Mass Effect but I sure as hell didn't get a lasting impression about the universe (no pun intended) it depicted.

I don't mind aspects being influenced from other aspects, but make it your own for crying out loud.

So yeah object all you want man but unless you want to put a gun to my head I'm still disappointed and letdown by Mass Effect's lore.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Objection Mass Effect's lore isn't original, but it was not a let down in any way. The fiction in that game was all well done, down to every aspect of that universe's past, creatures, planets, etc. So in originality yes it failed In terms of depth, writing, and overall design I don't think you could say it was bad or a "letdown". FrozenLiquid

I too can rip 50 years of science-fiction, blend them together, and call it a day. Can I be critically acclaimed as well then?

Everything was so damn stock standard in Mass Effect it was disgusting. Sure, Mass Effect was huge. But it's just a whole lot of nothing. It's huge for the sake of being huge. I'm told of how the weapons you use work. I'm told of the companies that make the weapons. I'm told of the extranet. I'm even told of planets that you don't even need to know about. In the end, it was a whole lot of fluff. It was so incredibly generic I couldn't believe it. I enjoyed my time in Mass Effect but I sure as hell didn't get a lasting impression about the universe (no pun intended) it depicted.

I don't mind aspects being influenced from other aspects, but make it your own for crying out loud.

So yeah object all you want man but unless you want to put a gun to my head I'm still disappointed and letdown by Mass Effect's lore.

Looks sweet, gameplay will be awesome, but why are the requirements for pc so ****ing insane????!!?!??!?!

Looks decent.. but I never play Bioware games for the combat :)

I too can rip 50 years of science-fiction, blend them together, and call it a day. Can I be critically acclaimed as well then?

Everything was so damn stock standard in Mass Effect it was disgusting. Sure, Mass Effect was huge. But it's just a whole lot of nothing. It's huge for the sake of being huge. I'm told of how the weapons you use work. I'm told of the companies that make the weapons. I'm told of the extranet. I'm even told of planets that you don't even need to know about. In the end, it was a whole lot of fluff that didn't mean anything. It was so incredibly generic I couldn't believe it. I enjoyed my time in Mass Effect but I sure as hell didn't get a lasting impression about the universe (no pun intended) it depicted.

I don't mind aspects being influenced from other aspects, but make it your own for crying out loud.

So yeah object all you want man but unless you want to put a gun to my head I'm still disappointed and letdown by Mass Effect's lore.

FrozenLiquid

you realize that 90% of your posts are complaints about one game or another? Do you even like games? Or do you just like to play games so that you can find something to complain about?

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]

I too can rip 50 years of science-fiction, blend them together, and call it a day. Can I be critically acclaimed as well then?

Everything was so damn stock standard in Mass Effect it was disgusting. Sure, Mass Effect was huge. But it's just a whole lot of nothing. It's huge for the sake of being huge. I'm told of how the weapons you use work. I'm told of the companies that make the weapons. I'm told of the extranet. I'm even told of planets that you don't even need to know about. In the end, it was a whole lot of fluff that didn't mean anything. It was so incredibly generic I couldn't believe it. I enjoyed my time in Mass Effect but I sure as hell didn't get a lasting impression about the universe (no pun intended) it depicted.

I don't mind aspects being influenced from other aspects, but make it your own for crying out loud.

So yeah object all you want man but unless you want to put a gun to my head I'm still disappointed and letdown by Mass Effect's lore.

horrowhip

you realize that 90% of your posts are complaints about one game or another? Do you even like games? Or do you just like to play games so that you can find something to complain about?

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

It's a criticism, It wasn't like it was out of line. jg4xchamp

It is fine to have some criticism. But like I said, all I ever see from him are posts criticizing games... I just find it a bit odd...

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It's a criticism, It wasn't like it was out of line. horrowhip

It is fine to have some criticism. But like I said, all I ever see from him are posts criticizing games... I just find it a bit odd...

I just watched the first trailer "Sex & Violence" for Dragon Age. I then looked it up on Wikipedia because I was confused at what I was seeing.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was suppose to be a dark fantasy with mature themes about it. Wow, I'm shocked.

Apparently lots of blood, sexual innuendo, all to a song of Marilyn Manson makes your game mature.

Okay seriously, what's happened to Bioware. They've got Star Wars: The Old Republic verging on this *love* for the Sith doing awesome-fantastic-cool Matrix moves, and now they're advertising their epic fantasy to an alt-rock track. Good one.

you realize that 90% of your posts are complaints about one game or another? Do you even like games? Or do you just like to play games so that you can find something to complain about?

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

horrowhip

FrozenLiquid on SNK fightersand DOA

FrozenLiquid on Heavenly Sword.

FrozenLiquid on Prototype(with bonus unanimous praise!)

FrozenLiquid on Uncharted 2

FrozenLiquid on Scribblenauts

FrozenLiquid on Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

FrozenLiquid on Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell(including a nod for best post because I was so politically correct!)

FrozenLiquid on GT5 and Forza 3 (several nods for most enlightening post)

FrozenLiquid on Heavy Rain

FrozenLiquid on The Grudge game

FrozenLiquid on The Path

FrozenLiquid on The Force Unleashed

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I can keep going for about the 410 more pages in my forum history, but I think I've made my point.

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

horrowhip

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

froidnite

The minute I saw your name I was like hey, I remember this dude. Then I see your post and I was like "Oh yep, he's an old grizzly too".

Hey champ, the kids are coming back! woot!!!!!

[QUOTE="froidnite"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

FrozenLiquid

The minute I saw your name I was like hey, I remember this dude. Then I see your post and I was like "Oh yep, he's an old grizzly too".

Hey champ, the kids are coming back! woot!!!!!

I rarely visited GS for a year. I was real busy with my work.

[QUOTE="froidnite"]

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

FrozenLiquid

The minute I saw your name I was like hey, I remember this dude. Then I see your post and I was like "Oh yep, he's an old grizzly too".

Hey champ, the kids are coming back! woot!!!!!

Dragons Age...or Demons Souls ??? I dont know which one to get....:? i want them both.....

Ipik_Fenris

I just watched the first trailer "Sex & Violence" for Dragon Age. I then looked it up on Wikipedia because I was confused at what I was seeing.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was suppose to be a dark fantasy with mature themes about it. Wow, I'm shocked.

Apparently lots of blood, sexual innuendo, all to a song of Marilyn Manson makes your game mature.

Okay seriously, what's happened to Bioware. They've got Star Wars: The Old Republic verging on this *love* for the Sith doing awesome-fantastic-cool Matrix moves, and now they're advertising their epic fantasy to an alt-rock track. Good one.

[QUOTE="horrowhip"]

you realize that 90% of your posts are complaints about one game or another? Do you even like games? Or do you just like to play games so that you can find something to complain about?

Seriously, in all my time on this forum, I have only very rarely seen you post something positive about any game...

FrozenLiquid

FrozenLiquid on SNK fightersand DOA

FrozenLiquid on Heavenly Sword.

FrozenLiquid on Prototype(with bonus unanimous praise!)

FrozenLiquid on Uncharted 2

FrozenLiquid on Scribblenauts

FrozenLiquid on Silent Hill: Shattered Memories

FrozenLiquid on Metal Gear Solid and Splinter Cell(including a nod for best post because I was so politically correct!)

FrozenLiquid on GT5 and Forza 3 (several nods for most enlightening post)

FrozenLiquid on Heavy Rain

FrozenLiquid on The Grudge game

FrozenLiquid on The Path

FrozenLiquid on The Force Unleashed

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I can keep going for about the 410 more pages in my forum history, but I think I've made my point.

After a few play through, I loved M.E. and M.E. 2 is my most wanted.:P

It looks great. :o

I didn't really pay attention to this game before but after watching a few videos and looking at screenshots, I'm pretty hyped.

Omg omg omg horrowhip[ believe it or not I've spotted a new post where I've praised a game for being good at something in particular. It's over here. Look!

I can vouch for you on having great appreciation for the Halo universe as I do though that may not win you much favor here.

After a few play through, I loved M.E. and M.E. 2 is my most wanted.:P

SecretPolice

Yep!

The reason I appear so harsh on games is because I do, in fact, like them a lot. I'm hardest on the games I love most. I'll bash Mass Effect ruthelessly to pulp. Gimme Kingdom Under Fire and I'll in fact probably give it a helping hand. It's not to say I like KoF over Mass Effect, but the latter should know how to take care of itself better.

Halo's the only game I love that I vehemently defend because everyone hates Halo, and because I sort of have to back up the statement made by that 12 year old diehard fan which goes something along the lines of "halo is da best game eva master chief rox killzone sucks ****s lmao".

Omg omg omg horrowhip[ believe it or not I've spotted a new post where I've praised a game for being good at something in particular. It's over here. Look!

FrozenLiquid