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#101 reach3
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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="OhJayDubya"] Do you even try anymore? Your trolling has become weak as of late.

How is this trolling? This thing is releasing 7 years after ps3 and barely looks better than ps3 games. It should be far ahead. Sorry i dont have incredibly low standards like sheep

This is a launch title, if you expect it to be miles ahead of the current gen then it shows you know nothing about the development of gaming.

more damage control and nonsense Resistance on ps3 was a launch title and looked light years ahead of ps2. Kameo was a launch title on 360 and looked light years ahead of Xbox 1. You know nothing and just trying ot make excuses for the WIi U's POS hardware
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#102 ugoo18
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more damage control and nonsense Resistance on ps3 was a launch title and looked light years ahead of ps2. Kameo was a launch title on 360 and looked light years ahead of Xbox 1. You know nothing and just trying ot make excuses for the WIi U's POS hardwarereach3

no. gears 3, witcher 2 halo 4 look far better. But it is far ahead of ps3 gamesreach3

Huh

I thought you said it was far ahead of the PS3 before?

Please make up your mind, because it's really confusing trying to figure out what's better the 360, the PS3 or the WiiU when you/LoosingEnds and AtariKid X can't seem to even come to an agreement about just the PS3 and 360.

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[QUOTE="reach3"] more damage control and nonsense Resistance on ps3 was a launch title and looked light years ahead of ps2. Kameo was a launch title on 360 and looked light years ahead of Xbox 1. You know nothing and just trying ot make excuses for the WIi U's POS hardwareugoo18

no. gears 3, witcher 2 halo 4 look far better. But it is far ahead of ps3 gamesreach3

Huh

I thought you said it was far ahead of the PS3 before?

Please make up your mind, because it's really confusing trying to figure out what's better the 360, the PS3 or the WiiU when you/LoosingEnds and AtariKid X can't seem to even come to an agreement about just the PS3 and 360.

DO NOT take them seriously.They're just a troll.

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#104 reach3
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[QUOTE="reach3"] more damage control and nonsense Resistance on ps3 was a launch title and looked light years ahead of ps2. Kameo was a launch title on 360 and looked light years ahead of Xbox 1. You know nothing and just trying ot make excuses for the WIi U's POS hardwareugoo18

no. gears 3, witcher 2 halo 4 look far better. But it is far ahead of ps3 gamesreach3

Huh

I thought you said it was far ahead of the PS3 before?

Please make up your mind, because it's really confusing trying to figure out what's better the 360, the PS3 or the WiiU when you/LoosingEnds and AtariKid X can't seem to evencome to an agreement about just the PS3 and 360.

It goes PS3 > Wii U >>>>>>XBox 360 but Wii U should be light years ahead of both ps3 and 360, but isn't. Pathetic for a next gen console
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#105 ugoo18
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[QUOTE="reach3"]

[QUOTE="reach3"]no. gears 3, witcher 2 halo 4 look far better. But it is far ahead of ps3 gamesugoo18

Huh

I thought you said it was far ahead of the PS3 before?

Please make up your mind, because it's really confusing trying to figure out what's better the 360, the PS3 or the WiiU when you/LoosingEnds and AtariKid X can't seem to evencome to an agreement about just the PS3 and 360.

It goes PS3 > Wii U >>>>>>XBox 360 but Wii U should be light years ahead of both ps3 and 360, but isn't. Pathetic for a next gen console

So the 360 is weaker than the PS3 then?

You've always told me otherwise...

Why should i believe you now?

Meaning the 720 should be the weakest next gen?

How can the PS3 be ahead of the WiiU when you said the WiiU was ahead?

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#106 casharmy
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Personally I am impressed.

Game looks sweet and clearly above the graphics of PS3/360. The action and atmosphere in the game also looks awsome (coming from someone who doesn't even like 'horror' type games). I really hope Wii U proves me wrong about my prior expectations about the console and what it can do because more and better games is always a plus. If more exclusives like this are announced Wii U could end up being my first nintendo system I ever owned.

Was always a sega guy prior to sega leaving console devlopment when PS2, xbox came on the scene.

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#107 reach3
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="reach3"]

Huh

I thought you said it was far ahead of the PS3 before?

Please make up your mind, because it's really confusing trying to figure out what's better the 360, the PS3 or the WiiU when you/LoosingEnds and AtariKid X can't seem to evencome to an agreement about just the PS3 and 360.

ugoo18

It goes PS3 > Wii U >>>>>>XBox 360 but Wii U should be light years ahead of both ps3 and 360, but isn't. Pathetic for a next gen console

So the 360 is weaker than the PS3 then?

You've always told me otherwise...

Why should i believe you now?

Meaning the 720 should be the weakest next gen?

No. ps3 is weakest, then wii u, the 360 strongest
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#108 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"] It goes PS3 > Wii U >>>>>>XBox 360 but Wii U should be light years ahead of both ps3 and 360, but isn't. Pathetic for a next gen consolereach3

So the 360 is weaker than the PS3 then?

You've always told me otherwise...

Why should i believe you now?

Meaning the 720 should be the weakest next gen?

No. ps3 is weakest, then wii u, the 360 strongest

You should know that when you put ps3>>360 means ps3 is better dumb ass

and by that you finally admitted 360 is at the bottom of the barrel

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#109 archvile_78
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Personally I am impressed.

Game looks sweet and clearly above the graphics of PS3/360. The action and atmosphere in the game also looks awsome (coming from someone who doesn't even like 'horror' type games). I really hope Wii U proves me wrong about my prior expectations about the console and what it can do because more and better games is always a plus. If more exclusives like this are announced Wii U could end up being my first nintendo system I ever owned.

Was always a sega guy prior to sega leaving console devlopment when PS2, xbox came on the scene.

casharmy

So you missed out on the greatness of the SNES? :o

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#110 ugoo18
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"] It goes PS3 > Wii U >>>>>>XBox 360 but Wii U should be light years ahead of both ps3 and 360, but isn't. Pathetic for a next gen consolereach3

So the 360 is weaker than the PS3 then?

You've always told me otherwise...

Why should i believe you now?

Meaning the 720 should be the weakest next gen?

No. ps3 is weakest, then wii u, the 360 strongest

But you said the 360 was the weakest by a large margin. 720 will probably be the weakest next gen as well. Although i am surprised that you think the PS3 is stronger than the 360, does that mean that the 360 can't run games like Uncharted 3 and GOW3 but the PS3 can easily run Halo 4 and GeOW 3 (Probably in 1080p at 60fps right because of it's superior hardware since you said it's the strongest?).

EDIT: Does that mean that the WiiU is far stronger than the PS3?, since you said ZombiU is far ahead of PS3 games and that's just a launch title.

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#111 deactivated-609eda8a7edd0
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[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="reach3"] How is this trolling? This thing is releasing 7 years after ps3 and barely looks better than ps3 games. It should be far ahead. Sorry i dont have incredibly low standards like sheep

This is a launch title, if you expect it to be miles ahead of the current gen then it shows you know nothing about the development of gaming.

more damage control and nonsense Resistance on ps3 was a launch title and looked light years ahead of ps2. Kameo was a launch title on 360 and looked light years ahead of Xbox 1. You know nothing and just trying ot make excuses for the WIi U's POS hardware

I don't need to make excuses the proof is right in front of you, how about you remove your head from your anus and take a look. You can use past launch titles all you want but these days its irrelevant when it comes to the development of consoles. The graphics leaps are not going to be anywhere as far as they were back in 05/06. So go take your HD Twin damage control elsewhere, you are just another troll who can't even get his story straight.
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#112 casharmy
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Personally I am impressed.

Game looks sweet and clearly above the graphics of PS3/360. The action and atmosphere in the game also looks awsome (coming from someone who doesn't even like 'horror' type games). I really hope Wii U proves me wrong about my prior expectations about the console and what it can do because more and better games is always a plus. If more exclusives like this are announced Wii U could end up being my first nintendo system I ever owned.

Was always a sega guy prior to sega leaving console devlopment when PS2, xbox came on the scene.

archvile_78

So you missed out on the greatness of the SNES? :o

:) I didn't.

My best friend has a SNES and I played all the great games that came out with him as he did with me when he came to visit me. I never hated or dised nintendo or any fanboy sh!t like that. I always looked a nintendo as a quality game company during those times, sega was just my console of choice.

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#113 archvile_78
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[QUOTE="archvile_78"]

[QUOTE="casharmy"]

Personally I am impressed.

Game looks sweet and clearly above the graphics of PS3/360. The action and atmosphere in the game also looks awsome (coming from someone who doesn't even like 'horror' type games). I really hope Wii U proves me wrong about my prior expectations about the console and what it can do because more and better games is always a plus. If more exclusives like this are announced Wii U could end up being my first nintendo system I ever owned.

Was always a sega guy prior to sega leaving console devlopment when PS2, xbox came on the scene.

casharmy

So you missed out on the greatness of the SNES? :o

:) I didn't.

My best friend has a SNES and I played all the great games that came out with him as he did with me when he came to visit me. I never hated or dised nintendo or any fanboy sh!t like that. I always looked a nintendo as a quality game company during those times, sega was just my console of choice.

I always was a Nintendo person back in the days, i still see them as a good company but their game consoles doesn't interest me as much. Though like you, i had people i knew that owned a Sega console so that's how i played it.

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#114 Sagacious_Tien
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It looks good, but with Ubisoft, they are always quick off the bat to launch with new technology, and at best their experiments have been a mixed blessing. I'd like to play it myself before I get hyped for it.
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#115 trugs26
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That was actually a little scary, and thus putting me off getting the game :P Hope others enjoy it, looks like a good and interesting survival horror.

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#116 Mario1331
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Judging from the gif, I agree it looks rather weak FOR NEXT GEN. However, I also think a lot of the haters are eating their words because it also looks much better than the current gen. The lighting and overall quality of the image look great. Slightly off topping, but the Tekken Producer said the wiiu CPU is slower than ps3/360.Heirren

i thought he said clock speed?

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#117 ebrezzy1
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1 thing i don't like about the game

no main character

love that controller though

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#118 deactivated-609eda8a7edd0
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1 thing i don't like about the game

no main character

love that controller though

ebrezzy1
I think in the kind of setting that this game has it would be hard to have a true main character and keep the same feel.
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#119 ebrezzy1
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[QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

1 thing i don't like about the game

no main character

love that controller though

OhJayDubya

I think in the kind of setting that this game has it would be hard to have a true main character and keep the same feel.

i disagree

a main character would give the game more life and better player game involvement

instead of dying new character dying new character there is no attachment

makes it feel mini game ish to me also

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#120 trugs26
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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

1 thing i don't like about the game

no main character

love that controller though

ebrezzy1

I think in the kind of setting that this game has it would be hard to have a true main character and keep the same feel.

i disagree

a main character would give the game more life and better player game involvement

instead of dying new character dying new character there is no attachment

makes it feel mini game ish to me also



But it's the core gameplay mechanic. In this game, the hook is that you are supposed to feel disposable, as if you were in a zombie infested town, and you're supposed to feel like you're starting from scratch each time (but can quickly get back to where you were by hunting down your previous character).

You can't give it a main character just to get "better player game involvement". That's like saying "Yeah Scribblenauts is good and all, but here's a suggestion: Get rid of the whole create objects from your imagination thing."

Fair enough if you don't like the general idea, but that suggestion seemed out of place.

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#121 nethernova
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I want it. Wonder how you aim though. There seems to be no crosshair but he shoots zombies with pinpoint accuracy. I don't want to look at the controller ALL the time.
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#122 skrat_01
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Those are the bulliest bullshots I've seen in a while. Ugh. On the plus side ZombieU is looking quite interesting.
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#123 finalfantasy94
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i remember there was word that a ps3/360 version is not out the window. I hope its true since this game looks darn good.

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#124 Peredith
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It looks interesting, but reeks of cheese and low qualityness

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#125 Mozuckint
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The fact that One bite kills you here alone sets it apart from most other Zombie shooters. I agree though that there should be more zombies. As it is, 3 or 4 zombies on screen with the usual one lurking around elsewhere is not too much to worry about.

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#126 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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#127 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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#128 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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#129 dream431ca
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I never thought this would happen...but this is a zombie game that I WANT to play.

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#130 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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#131 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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#132 deactivated-609eda8a7edd0
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[QUOTE="OhJayDubya"][QUOTE="ebrezzy1"]

1 thing i don't like about the game

no main character

love that controller though

ebrezzy1

I think in the kind of setting that this game has it would be hard to have a true main character and keep the same feel.

i disagree

a main character would give the game more life and better player game involvement

instead of dying new character dying new character there is no attachment

makes it feel mini game ish to me also

I personally like the idea of having disposable characters, I can understand why you would prefer a main character but don't think it can work in a game which is pure survival horror. I guess you will not care for a character as much as you may do if they had more of a personality and that may have some effect on the games overall atmosphere, but this looks like a game that can keep you distracted enough not to notice or care.
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#133 ugoo18
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Comparison shots between the E3 build of ZombiU and the Comic Con build (Thanks toforce143 (Consolewars))

OP updated




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#134 RyanShazam
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This game looks great! A must buy launch title for me! So far I want: ZombiU Pikmin 3 New Super Mario Bros. U WiiU Sports
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Comparison shots between the E3 build of ZombiU and the Comic Con build (Thanks toforce143 (Consolewars))

OP updated




ugoo18

And again.....it is not look better than God of War 3,U3,KZ3 or GT5 on the PS3.

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#136 Tessellation
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I really don't see anything that the PS3 can't do.

Very poor graphics.God of War 3,Killzone 3,Dead Space 2,Batman AA and Uncharted 3 on the PS3 looks a lot better.

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#137 ugoo18
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Comparison shots between the E3 build of ZombiU and the Comic Con build (Thanks toforce143 (Consolewars))

OP updated




AtariKidX

And again.....it is not look better than God of War 3,U3,KZ3 or GT5 on the PS3.

So is reach3 lying then?

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#138 todd2r
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cant wait to play this. looks good.

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#139 AtariKidX
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[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

Comparison shots between the E3 build of ZombiU and the Comic Con build (Thanks toforce143 (Consolewars))

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ugoo18

And again.....it is not look better than God of War 3,U3,KZ3 or GT5 on the PS3.

So is reach3 lying then?

I don't know....the only thing i know is that Uncharted 3 blows away anything on the WiiU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_ibM3e4pM

Don't forget the 720p option.

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#140 ugoo18
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

And again.....it is not look better than God of War 3,U3,KZ3 or GT5 on the PS3.

AtariKidX

So is reach3 lying then?

I don't know....the only thing i know is that Uncharted 3 blows away anything on the WiiU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-08HFkAewRw

Don't forget the 720p option.

You don't know...

Well that's not a very convincing statement, essentially saying that your lying and trying to discredit reach3 then?

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#141 jokeisgames2012
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looks too scripted
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#142 ugoo18
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looks too scripted jokeisgames2012

Not really at least from what we know so far of the game

Game so far:

- Set in London.

- Emphasis on survival. How long you can stay alive.

- One bite, you die. That 'character' is gone forever. Lose all your skills/gear.

- No saving, checkpoints of 'game overs'.

- Instead you 'respawn' as a different survivor in a different location, yet in the same game world.

- Can run into your previously played, now dead, survivors. Kill them to loot equipment you found during that play.

- 'Dynamic' level design to avoid obvious scripting. Scares/spawns different each time you play.

- As the game world is persistent actions by one survivor will be observable by another. EG: Unlock doors with one character, that character dies. Second character will find those doors unlocked. Equipment stored in safe houses by dead survivors lootable by new ones.

- Leaderboards ranking deaths per 'mission'.

- Wii U GamePad is your 'survival kit'. Used for interacting with the game world, using tools, etc.

- Used to create a cinematic 'third person' perspective when interacting via the pad. Devs liken it to horror movie scenes like someone trying to unlock a car, and an over the shoulder perspective showing incoming zombies.

- Can upgrade weapons.

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#143 M8ingSeezun
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Holy Sh*t! Honestly, that scared the bejebus outta me! :shock:

Looking very impressive! I'm actually more interested NOW than before!

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#144 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="ugoo18"]

[QUOTE="AtariKidX"]

And again.....it is not look better than God of War 3,U3,KZ3 or GT5 on the PS3.

AtariKidX

So is reach3 lying then?

I don't know....the only thing i know is that Uncharted 3 blows away anything on the WiiU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yk_ibM3e4pM

Don't forget the 720p option.

xzxzz

photoreal mode says hi.:lol:

UC3 looks great, but it looks worse then UC2.ZombieU beats it in some areas especially lighting and shadows.

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#145 jokeisgames2012
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[QUOTE="jokeisgames2012"]looks too scripted ugoo18

Not really at least from what we know so far of the game

Game so far:

- Set in London.

- Emphasis on survival. How long you can stay alive.

- One bite, you die. That 'character' is gone forever. Lose all your skills/gear.

- No saving, checkpoints of 'game overs'.

- Instead you 'respawn' as a different survivor in a different location, yet in the same game world.

- Can run into your previously played, now dead, survivors. Kill them to loot equipment you found during that play.

- 'Dynamic' level design to avoid obvious scripting. Scares/spawns different each time you play.

- As the game world is persistent actions by one survivor will be observable by another. EG: Unlock doors with one character, that character dies. Second character will find those doors unlocked. Equipment stored in safe houses by dead survivors lootable by new ones.

- Leaderboards ranking deaths per 'mission'.

- Wii U GamePad is your 'survival kit'. Used for interacting with the game world, using tools, etc.

- Used to create a cinematic 'third person' perspective when interacting via the pad. Devs liken it to horror movie scenes like someone trying to unlock a car, and an over the shoulder perspective showing incoming zombies.

- Can upgrade weapons.

first level is too scripted i can see already lol
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#146 caseypayne69
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If you think a PS3/360 touches that video you are blind. Does it have some bad textures? Yes. But it wins in lighting, depth of field, frame rate and some textures look way better.

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#147 caseypayne69
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If you think a PS3/360 touches that video you are blind. Does it have some bad textures? Yes. But it wins in lighting, depth of field, frame rate and some textures look way better.

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#148 RyanShazam
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[QUOTE="jokeisgames2012"]looks too scripted ugoo18

Not really at least from what we know so far of the game

Game so far:

- Set in London.

- Emphasis on survival. How long you can stay alive.

- One bite, you die. That 'character' is gone forever. Lose all your skills/gear.

- No saving, checkpoints of 'game overs'.

- Instead you 'respawn' as a different survivor in a different location, yet in the same game world.

- Can run into your previously played, now dead, survivors. Kill them to loot equipment you found during that play.

- 'Dynamic' level design to avoid obvious scripting. Scares/spawns different each time you play.

- As the game world is persistent actions by one survivor will be observable by another. EG: Unlock doors with one character, that character dies. Second character will find those doors unlocked. Equipment stored in safe houses by dead survivors lootable by new ones.

- Leaderboards ranking deaths per 'mission'.

- Wii U GamePad is your 'survival kit'. Used for interacting with the game world, using tools, etc.

- Used to create a cinematic 'third person' perspective when interacting via the pad. Devs liken it to horror movie scenes like someone trying to unlock a car, and an over the shoulder perspective showing incoming zombies.

- Can upgrade weapons.

Reading that j made me want this game ten times more!
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#149 RyanShazam
Member since 2006 • 6498 Posts

[QUOTE="jokeisgames2012"]looks too scripted ugoo18

Not really at least from what we know so far of the game

Game so far:

- Set in London.

- Emphasis on survival. How long you can stay alive.

- One bite, you die. That 'character' is gone forever. Lose all your skills/gear.

- No saving, checkpoints of 'game overs'.

- Instead you 'respawn' as a different survivor in a different location, yet in the same game world.

- Can run into your previously played, now dead, survivors. Kill them to loot equipment you found during that play.

- 'Dynamic' level design to avoid obvious scripting. Scares/spawns different each time you play.

- As the game world is persistent actions by one survivor will be observable by another. EG: Unlock doors with one character, that character dies. Second character will find those doors unlocked. Equipment stored in safe houses by dead survivors lootable by new ones.

- Leaderboards ranking deaths per 'mission'.

- Wii U GamePad is your 'survival kit'. Used for interacting with the game world, using tools, etc.

- Used to create a cinematic 'third person' perspective when interacting via the pad. Devs liken it to horror movie scenes like someone trying to unlock a car, and an over the shoulder perspective showing incoming zombies.

- Can upgrade weapons.

Reading that j made me want this game ten times more!
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#150 raskullibur
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If you think a PS3/360 touches that video you are blind. Does it have some bad textures? Yes. But it wins in lighting, depth of field, frame rate and some textures look way better.

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Killzone 2 easily