Next Gen console not so powerful

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

nchan

[QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Adrian_Cloud

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

p0g0theclown

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

p0g0theclown

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Adrian_Cloud

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Adrian_Cloud

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

aye you've got a point there but the same could be said about everything ever sold, or it could be used the other way round and every single person who has bought the "it" thinks its the best thing ever

edit: correct me if am wrong but you seems to have created a new number

[QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

Adrian_Cloud

I'll speak for the Xbox 360 owners: why is the 360 rubbish? So far i've enjoyed plenty of great games on my 360.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="p0g0theclown"] Yes, i can only speak for the PS3, Wii owners... the 360 is rubbish. QUOTE]

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

pyromaniac223

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] What do you mean 28 people disagree, those could all be 27,999,9999 unsatisfied customers(assuming your not one of them). Adrian_Cloud

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

I'm not so sure about bankrupting a company, but if things go as always next gen consoles are looking at a significant problem.

Consoles sell at a loss at launch to acquire the install base to attract developers, but at $30-$40 million a pop next gen; developers won't be making exclusive titles for a none existent install base. There needs to be an install base to attract games; but there needs to be games to attract an install base. Even then at these costs they would be cross platform games, the only exclusives next gen will be bought and funded by platform owners; increasing the costs to operate.

Console companies will be struggling to differentiate themselves in a cross platform orientated market; while dealing with increased costs in order to make a successful launch.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

I'll speak for the Xbox 360 owners: why is the 360 rubbish? So far i've enjoyed plenty of great games on my 360.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="p0g0theclown"] Yes, i can only speak for the PS3, Wii owners... the 360 is rubbish. QUOTE]

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

p0g0theclown

aye you've got a point there but the same could be said about everything ever sold, or it could be used the other way round and every single person who has bought the "it" thinks its the best thing ever

Most developers that has gone bankrupt that i know of, went bankrupt because of games not being succesful. Usually this didn't have anything to do with the graphics. Troika closed after having no major succes in videogames (except from among the hardcore rpg crowd), and their games weren't even focused on graphics.

There wont be any new consoles soon ( maybe HD Wii only ) but nothing from ony or MS will be coming anytime soon the ecomoy isnt ready for one and game development for current generation is still too high we will only see slight improvments on current generation consoles ( like natal and sony motion and maybe some new things in the future ) but no new consoles.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

Yes, i can only speak for the PS3, Wii owners... the 360 is rubbish.Adrian_Cloud

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"] What do you mean 28 people disagree, those could all be 27,999,9999 unsatisfied customers(assuming your not one of them). Adrian_Cloud

aye you've got a point there but the same could be said about everything ever sold, or it could be used the other way round and every single person who has bought the "it" thinks its the best thing ever

I'll take back by comment on you being a fanboy as you dont sound like a fanboy as you actually came back with a good argument on why you dont like the console, which is very unusual here on SW. And you even said it had some great game.

if you had only actually came out with something that actually explained why you didnt like the console in the first place, alot of people myself included wouldnt have jumped to such conclusions

[QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="p0g0theclown"] Yes, i can only speak for the PS3, Wii owners... the 360 is rubbish. QUOTE]

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

kingtito

plus and the people who had to replaced their systems the vast amount of people i have seen on here have had their replaced free by microsoft, so you cant count them towards the overall sales of the system

A serious gamer must have a good gaming PC, otherwise they are seriously missing out.. they only get ports long after, like Half life 2.

Doom 4 is gonna look awesome on pc :D

A serious gamer must have a good gaming PC, otherwise they are seriously missing out.. they only get ports long after, like Half life 2.

Doom 4 is gonna look awesome on pc :D

perfect_chao

I game on my PC the most but I don't have a powerful PC. But then again all I play is DOTA and CS.

I think we will see a decent increase in power. I predict there wont be many 3rd party exclusives, however. If the development costs are really gonna jump that much, devs aren't going to limit themselves to one console: they're going to maximize their earning potential.

Well, i think it depends on how well the game consoles are developed. I heard it is a lot easier to develop for a PC than a console so we see really good looking games and high quality games. I think they could still be powerful if they made it easier to develop for, but i don't think this is going to happen.

I'd have to say i agree. i am not expecting a major leap in graphics pushing in the next generation. i think there will be an upgrade, just not a major push.

I do think that with the great graphics already available on the PS3 and 360, we'll get to see motion controls come into their own, and both i think will try to start catering to the wider audiences in their own ways. ie the casual non-gamer type.

I have not the faintest idea what Nintendo will do in the next generation, the only way i think it could go is go to the multi-media higher graphics route. they've cornered the market on casual gamers at the moment, and sort of losing their hardcore base. maybe i'm wrong about that though.

The only games that will make a profit will be the CODs , Halos, etc. Next gen will be even worse for diversity in gaming. Only games with multiplayer will survive.Deathtransit

there was a generation where everything was Arcadey, Zelda broke that. then there was a generation where everything was a RPG, and action oriented games and FPS's like Halo broke that as well. this generation we are in is the FPS-crazy stage, and something will come up to break that as well. and i believe it has already been done. If this years E3 is any indication it is motion controls. However i must also argue that none of these genre's are going anywhere.

Everyday Shooter, Flow, Bionic Commando Re-Armed, Geometry Wars: Galaxy prove the arcade-style genre is still going strong, we still have RPG's, Racing games, FPS's. Hell on a console that couldn't sell a mature hardcore game to save its life (The Wii) there are still attempts to making one for it. MadWorld, Conduit, Monster Hunter 3, Cursed Mountain, Overkill, Dead or Alive, Dead Space (need i go on?). it is the nature of the business, and nobody in the industry just wants to turn themselves into a 'Madden' company.

The TC makes a very valid point. Why would Microsoft and Sony invest tons of money, time, and research to make a super console that will cost an arm and a leg on launch when Nintendo proved you don't have to do that to be a success? Not to mention game development for the Xbox 360 and PS3 are very high. Many small companies have closed down because they couldnt turn a profit on their game/games.

It takes millions and millions of dollars in investment and a lot of time to make all these super pretty graphics, textures, physics, AI, etc, and then as a company you have to pray that you at least break even. You generally dont see that problem with Wii game development.

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

ShadowTech_FTW

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

I don't think the next gen consoles will have to be more expensive to develop. They will probably use a similar setup but with more RAM and a lot more powerfull GPU's. These two factors are the main reasons why these consoles today are behind. They don't need to develop a totally new CPU with a trillion G.Flops. Both the X360 and the PS3 could easely have run Crysis at the beginning of this gen if it had'nt been for the low amount of RAM they have, the RAM will be more important when developing a console for the next gen.

I think Sony have learned with the PS3 that putting a lot of money in developing a new type of CPU is just stupid when you can put the money in the GPU development instead.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

aye you've got a point there but the same could be said about everything ever sold, or it could be used the other way round and every single person who has bought the "it" thinks its the best thing ever

p0g0theclown

I'll take back by comment on you being a fanboy as you dont sound like a fanboy as you actually came back with a good argument on why you dont like the console, which is very unusual here on SW. And you even said it had some great game.

if you had only actually came out with something that actually explained why you didnt like the console in the first place, alot of people myself included wouldnt have jumped to such conclusions

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

nchan

This is why M$ has decided to continue the 360 for a decade like the PS3, rather then pushing a new console out next year. That way there's a HUGE jump in technology and standards. Next gen should be about todays animated movie quality if they actually wait that long. As for liva action movie cg, we're still a few gens away from that kinda graphics.

Besides, in this economy, announcing another new console would be pr suicide.

[QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

This is why M$ has decided to continue the 360 for a decade like the PS3, rather then pushing a new console out next year. That way there's a HUGE jump in technology and standards. Next gen should be about todays animated movie quality if they actually wait that long. As for liva action movie cg, we're still a few gens away from that kinda graphics.

Besides, in this economy, announcing another new console would be pr suicide.

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

Nonstop-Madness

GDDR5 easily runs at over 1ghz (2ghz due to being DDR)

hell, even the video memory on my graphics card (GDDR3) runs at 1051mhz.

[QUOTE="enygma500"]

[QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

karasill

This is why M$ has decided to continue the 360 for a decade like the PS3, rather then pushing a new console out next year. That way there's a HUGE jump in technology and standards. Next gen should be about todays animated movie quality if they actually wait that long. As for liva action movie cg, we're still a few gens away from that kinda graphics.

Besides, in this economy, announcing another new console would be pr suicide.

Yeah PC's are already getting close to CGI quality. I could imagine them doing real life quality games in 5 years or so. But consoles are still gonna be AT LEAST 2 more generations before we see anything like that...unless this 10 year console life span continues.

I personally like the idea of long console gens. I mean 5 year is BARELY enough for devs to get a good handle on any console, then throwing a new one on the market for them to deal with. Plus the longer 1 generation lasts, the bigger the gap in technology will be for the next generation. I would rather 2 or 3 leaps in quality rather then 7 or 8 small steps in quality.

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

swazidoughman

GDDR5 easily runs at over 1ghz (2ghz due to being DDR)

hell, even the video memory on my graphics card (GDDR3) runs at 1051mhz.

[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

[QUOTE="Nonstop-Madness"]

this is how I see the PS4

Processor @ 3.6 GHz

- 2 GB XDR2 @ 8 GHz (XDR2 can run at 8GHz)

GPU @ 850 MHz

- 3 GB GDDR5 @ 850 MHz

Martin_G_N

GDDR5 easily runs at over 1ghz (2ghz due to being DDR)

hell, even the video memory on my graphics card (GDDR3) runs at 1051mhz.

AFAIK, the cell is still used for servers.

If Sony has Nvidia make the GPU for the PS4 then it's possible that Physics could be done on the GPU AND the CPU, or a mini Physx type processor could be slapped in.

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="p0g0theclown"] Yes, i can only speak for the PS3, Wii owners... the 360 is rubbish. QUOTE]

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

p0g0theclown

aye you've got a point there but the same could be said about everything ever sold, or it could be used the other way round and every single person who has bought the "it" thinks its the best thing ever

edit: correct me if am wrong but you seems to have created a new number

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

jimm895

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!

[QUOTE="p0g0theclown"]

[QUOTE="Adrian_Cloud"][QUOTE="nchan"]

Game development costs too high. Now that we see cases about just one game could potentially bankupt an entire company, next gen, it wouldn't surprise me if Wii2/HD is just slightly less powerful than Xbox 360 and PS3. PS4 and Xbox720 would be just slightly more powerful than their predeccesors. So to those that want real life and CG graphic next gen, don't expect one.

jimm895

can you actually explain you're answer without sounding like a fanboy? 28 million people tend to disagree!