Next Gen consoles to crush PC

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

Console market grasping at straws again :)

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

GotNugz

^ Naaah, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. arrived before Gears in PC, and for the time Gears arrived (Q4 2007) Crysis was already crushing anything in the horizon. Gears was only "king of sub 720p".

consoles have ALWAYS been better than pcs. easyer to use, better games, no viruses and cheaper

I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .GeneralShowzer

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Next year I will be building a new rig based on Intel's next generation CPU architecture and I will have either AMD's or Nvidia's latest GPU's most likely in SLI or Xfire. I look forward to seeing any console match my new computers performance. Hell My current rig will still dominate next gen consoles.

Even if next-gen consoles beat pc hardware just give it a year and pc hardware will beat out console hardware. Graphics look better on a gaming pc period when you have console fanboys comparing a few zoomed in pixel diffrence in graphics between the games on 360 vs ps3 i don't see why pc gamers can't say the graphics are better when thiers actually a very noticeable difference between a game on pc vs one of console. Direct X or a similar graphics api is needed on pc without it pc gaming wouldn't exist What holds the pc back more then low level coding vs high level coding is consoles old tech and high development of this generation leading to most high budget games games being multiplatform designed for the lowest common denominator in mind i.e consoles. When a game is designed with the pc in mind it shows Total war 2,Shattered Horizon,Arma 2,Crysis,Metro 2033,Stacraft 2, Just Cause 2 and soon to be Battlefield 3.

Next year I will be building a new rig based on Intel's next generation CPU architecture and I will have either AMD's or Nvidia's latest GPU's most likely in SLI or Xfire. I look forward to seeing any console match my new computers performance. Hell My current rig will still dominate next gen consoles.

Fizzman

Most likely true, but god I hope not.

bla bla bla, i hear this at the end of every gen.

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .kieranb2000

At least the 360 got Gears 2, and is getting Gears 3

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .ChubbyGuy40

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Well, like how things go.. Folks get oohhh and ahhed then months later are in Meh.. Thats what kinda happened to Gears...

During that time, others who knew how textures and things went were:

Lean and Rockin all on the debates.

Onto subject... Consoles now have a major step to reach.. The console not only will have to completely smash graphically Pc's, but also provide triple screen immersions, better use of particle affects, high resolutions etc... Doubt it will happen.. Even if it does, games to really take use of all the power will take years for developers to get a understanding of it all(anyone go look at first year ps3 or 360 games to games now.. Some drastic improvements). By time you really start seeing a console game utilize the hardware, pc hardware would have already passed the console performance by some finite amount.

^ Naaah, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. arrived before Gears in PC, and for the time Gears arrived (Q4 2007) Crysis was already crushing anything in the horizon. Gears was only "king of sub 720p".

Ondoval

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .RyanShazam

At least the 360 got Gears 2, and is getting Gears 3

consoles have ALWAYS been better than pcs. easyer to use, better games, no viruses and cheaper

RanDoMcApZ

[QUOTE="kieranb2000"][QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .RyanShazam

At least the 360 got Gears 2, and is getting Gears 3

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .ChubbyGuy40

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

My current build will still destroy next gen consoles :lol:

You don't even have the specs on the new console yet and your already claiming ownage :lol:

The next gen console won't be that much of a leap forward why HEAT !!!

You saw what happened when the 360 came out it RROD'd. Now imagine trying to get a fast cpu,fast ram and a fast gpu not to mention a power supply into a small space and cooling it. Then there is still the price factor speed cost money. Pc tech is still moving forward by the time next gen consoles get here they will be lucky to be on a low end gaming pc level.

Just look at the wii2's specs for example.

triple core cpu based on the 360 cpu = weak sauce

memory rumor say 1gig no speeds

gpu is based on the r700 shader 4.1 ie dx 10.1 and my guess it is the low end part

No hard drive with a gimped blu-ray tech

Oh yeah my pc is shaking in it's boots from teh awsome powah of da console.

Yeah they will crush PCs...

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like mine which is from 2008 and technological speaking it was maybe from mid 2006.

[QUOTE="GotNugz"]

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

i5750at4Ghz

[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="GotNugz"]

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

savagetwinkie

i never said that curren gen systems look better than top line pc, but you cant name a single game that looks 10X better than 360/PS3 best game. again 2004 hardware is still looking decent in 2011 and how many pc upgrades have happened since then? and to all these people with super rigs get real wii2 will likely own yours. im just speaking the truth with backed up facts while you gloat about getting 10 more frames a second. and to people saying their pc will destroy next gen consoles give me a break like it or not consoles determine the market not pc.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .jedikevin2

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Well, like how things go.. Folks get oohhh and ahhed then months later are in Meh.. Thats what kinda happened to Gears...

During that time, others who knew how textures and things went were:

Lean and Rockin all on the debates.

Onto subject... Consoles now have a major step to reach.. The console not only will have to completely smash graphically Pc's, but also provide triple screen immersions, better use of particle affects, high resolutions etc... Doubt it will happen.. Even if it does, games to really take use of all the power will take years for developers to get a understanding of it all(anyone go look at first year ps3 or 360 games to games now.. Some drastic improvements). By time you really start seeing a console game utilize the hardware, pc hardware would have already passed the console performance by some finite amount.

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

savagetwinkie

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .i5750at4Ghz

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Visually it was stunning. Then after awhile I went back and played it again and immediately thought

I was blinded by all the bullshots/PC shots beforehand and clearly thought Gears on 360 looked just like that (Which it didn't by any stretch.) Its so low res its just nasty.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

jedikevin2

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

savagetwinkie

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

Um Huh? What does living room gaming machine have anything to do with graphics, resolution, particle effects, textures or anything.... On a side note, I enjoy playing several games from my HDTV in my living room through my Pc so.. ok? ... Still not seeing a console "crushing Pc". Are we trying to digress into something else here? But hey, lets wait another year or 2 and we can continue the debate when we actually have console hardware out.

i never said that curren gen systems look better than top line pc, but you cant name a single game that looks 10X better than 360/PS3 best game. again 2004 hardware is still looking decent in 2011 and how many pc upgrades have happened since then? and to all these people with super rigs get real wii2 will likely own yours. im just speaking the truth with backed up facts while you gloat about getting 10 more frames a second. and to people saying their pc will destroy next gen consoles give me a break like it or not consoles determine the market not pc.

GotNugz

what facts? and games arent 10x better on PC because those games are still being made for 2004 tech in the 360/PS3, minus PC exclusives which generally do look much better than PC

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

savagetwinkie

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

no

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

savagetwinkie

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

Why would you play BC2 with a controller, or god forbid CS:S unless you want to do really bad

pc will do fine no matter what consoles do

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

jedikevin2

Um Huh? What does living room gaming machine have anything to do with graphics, resolution, particle effects, textures or anything.... On a side note, I enjoy playing several games from my HDTV in my living room so.. ok... Still not seeing a console "crushing Pc"..... Are we trying to digress into something else here?

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] consoles already crush PC's as living room gaming machines, and if you don't think so, please enlighten me on your experience with bc2 with a controller in the living room, or maybe cs:s... consoles also crush PC's in efficiency, until PC's use more SoC's, I hope they come out with more custom hardware, the 360 regardless of how powerful it is, its brilliant design for gaming, savagetwinkie

Um Huh? What does living room gaming machine have anything to do with graphics, resolution, particle effects, textures or anything.... On a side note, I enjoy playing several games from my HDTV in my living room so.. ok... Still not seeing a console "crushing Pc"..... Are we trying to digress into something else here?

Graphically as the Tc is putting it, consoles would need to be outputting too triple screens with resolutions that is possible of a PC if he is to just claim "console will crush PC". That is where that comes from as everything graphically the Pc can do now, the console will HAVE to "crush it" That incudes physics, particle effects, etc etc since he was stating such BOLD claims. (This triple screen also a point relating to the whole PS3 early claims to do so on say Gt5 that never came to pass outside of a tech demo) .. Your whole sway to into the living room controller spat has nothing to do here.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

lostrib

Why would you play BC2 with a controller, or god forbid CS:S unless you want to do really bad

Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.TheMoreYouOwn

Pics or it didnt happen

Grats, you'll have marginally better graphics for 6-8 months and then for the other 5-7 years we'll be on top - like every other gen.

while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better.GotNugz

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Um Huh? What does living room gaming machine have anything to do with graphics, resolution, particle effects, textures or anything.... On a side note, I enjoy playing several games from my HDTV in my living room so.. ok... Still not seeing a console "crushing Pc"..... Are we trying to digress into something else here?

jedikevin2

Graphically as the Tc is putting it, consoles would need to be outputting too triple screens with resolutions that is possible of a PC if he is to jsut claim "console will crush PC". That is where that comes from.. Your whoel sway to into the living room controller spat has nothing to do here.

All I have to say is that even when the current consoles came out back in 2005 and 2006, they were already outclassed..... their memory amounts and gimped specs limited in what they could do. the 360 may have had the first marketed unified architecture its was gimped right out the door. Then even when the PS3 came out the 8800GTX or even the 8800GTS was multiple times better.

MS for a fact will not do what they did last round of consoles, lose money right out the door. So dont expect a "high ended" console without a big price tag. Most likely you will see a $400 consolewhich means no where near medium ranged Pc performances. Since it seems they are going to the APU route...

we also ahve the power to multi-task on a pc.. i can record gameplay while gaming, while chatting with my girl on facebook or win. live messenger, while bobbing to my mp4's on itunes or win. media player, while burning a dvd.. all before breakfast.

lets see a console do that..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMsmbLo8KQw&feature=related