Next Gen consoles to crush PC

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

i really don't see why consoles have to provide triple screens... they are usually desinged for living rooms and i doubt any one really wants to buy 3 tvs and find a spot for them, also, and I'm probably not getting a eyefinity until desks start being released just for 3 montior setups...

savagetwinkie

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] both of my ponits are relevant, your saying consoles need to have triple screen support yet its designed as a living room device, so its not necessary in any way shape or form unless people are going to buy 3 tv's, and while you can enjoy your PC with a controller in the living room, your not really going to be able to enjoy the best the system has to offer which is a bit counter productive. And with the new consoles coming, and they're nature to be much much more efficient, Crysis level graphics and beyond is a realistic possibility in a $400+ console. savagetwinkie

Graphically as the Tc is putting it, consoles would need to be outputting too triple screens with resolutions that is possible of a PC if he is to jsut claim "console will crush PC". That is where that comes from.. Your whoel sway to into the living room controller spat has nothing to do here.

Um Ok.. Gonna just ignore what the TC said and why I said it (be sure to look at all I had said originally and its meaning).. LOL.. some folks so offbase these days. Triple screens is a correlation with graphics (Ultra high resolutions, graphical immersion). It has not bearing on "living room experience". You may feel its not but thata a difference of opinion. Oh well, gonna stop paying attention to TC statements so I can make your point sound better. Man.. WOW....

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

and if the TC wants to make such "bold claims" it will need to be able to do this, outside of his basic graphic claim, and other content In the end, we are a good while before we will see a release of a new console. I don't see a console crushing anything at all personally.

-Unreal-

If there even is a next generation of consoles in the same vein as this "gen" then they will probably match the performance of high end PC's for 3-6 months at their launch, at significant cost to the manfacturers, who undersell them and rely on higher game prices, DLC, subscription services (needless), and accessories to make the money back. But Pc hardware is constantly improving, and console hardware is static. I would expect whatever competitive edge "next gen" console would have to be completely negligible in very little time. And I can't imagine the "PS4/Xbox 720" to come around any time soon. The current console are still making them tons of money. Why dont you go buy some shiny 3d glasses and be happy?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .kieranb2000

Classic unoriginal flamebait SW threadLookAnDrolL

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]

Graphically as the Tc is putting it, consoles would need to be outputting too triple screens with resolutions that is possible of a PC if he is to jsut claim "console will crush PC". That is where that comes from.. Your whoel sway to into the living room controller spat has nothing to do here.

jedikevin2

Um Ok.. Gonna just ignore what the TC said and why I said it (be sure to look at all I had said originally and its meaning).. LOL.. some folks so offbase these days. Triple screens is a correlation with graphics (Ultra high resolutions, graphical immersion). It has not bearing on "living room experience". You may feel its not but thata a difference of opinion. Oh well, gonna stop paying attention to TC statements so I can make your point sound better. Man.. WOW....

Was true about the xbox, literally nothing matched gears of war when xbox came out...JohnF111

the tc said nothing about features, 3 monitors is a feature... has nothing to do with power although you need more power to not get complete **** results with it. Your claim that it needs to have this feature to compete in processing power is a step off topic, again, my pointing out it being a living room device means its not going to need this feature. So you mentioning this feature matters in the same way I mentioned the controller when you tried to counter argue my claim that consoles will be able to compete in processing speeds even if its only when they first come out.

savagetwinkie

Might want to read what I wrote before attempting to cherry pick out.. The TC went off on resolutions etc. My statement was in more correlation to that which is why I typed in several things and then explained it for you. The controller argument as you presneted (chastisement over css and bc2 on Pc not possible in living room or no controllers or something along that line) was off base. That whole thing had no bearing in that discussion. Remember, sony spoke about triple screens for some time and even having tech demos of gt5 running on that format (some folks have been able to get it to work with 3 ps3s). Everything was in correlation to that. Sorry you got so zealous over that one focus. If the consoles want to "crush the pc" they would have to be able to output on resolution of say 1920x1080 x 3 to get the upmost graphical content that can be found on PC (No a console does not need to do this but again.. TC is attacking that the consoles with "crush it" and went off on all graphical foundations detroying PC)Outside of that, it would have to have drastic better particle affects, physics etc and would ahve to stay stronger to pc hardware for some time.

PS.. even if you try to argue controllers, it still is a mute point as I (ask others have said) can use controllers on several games and even use wireless mouse and keyboards. You might not want to do that. You might not feel that it is as comfortable as anything but that is all opinion. You may feel console is a better "living room experience" but again, thats opinion.

At the end of the day, we will have too wait another year + and see where things stand.

So the TC makes bold claims with no facts lol. There are no specs put out for these vaporware consoles but next gen consoles are going to crush gaming pc's lmfao. The TC has not even the faintest notion of how far gaming pc are beyond consoles. He clearly has no idea of the concept of heat or price when it comes to making a console.

Here is what console makers have to deal with.

1. cpu a fast cheap cpu that does not produce much heat

2. fast memory and enough to do 1080p but can't clocked too high or it will be too hot

3. I ass-ume that it will be a dx11 part that is fast enough but not too hot that it melts the pcb or produces too much heat

4, Optical storage that has enough room but won't be a bottleneck to the core system and cheap

5. it needs mass storage for content ie a hard drive

6. The console needs a power supply also even more heat

So you need a balenced system that is fast but cool and cost effective. A gaming pc has none of these limits. The reason why the gap between pc gaming and consoles may not reflect the gap in power is software. Devs make games to play on the biggest selection of hardware and that means low end pc's. The last pc game that pushed gaming pc's was crysis and we all know how far that was beyond consoles.

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset GotNugz

Nope, because your premise in your OP is incorrect.

Windows is a protected memory model, unlike MS-DOS. In order for games to be able to make calls to the OS and hardware, an API was needed, thus Direct-X was made so that game developers would embrace Windows instead of MS-DOS.

Also you left out that MS-DOS is a 16-bit application, which has been supplanted for years with 32-bit and 64-bit Windows.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

the tc said nothing about features, 3 monitors is a feature... has nothing to do with power although you need more power to not get complete **** results with it. Your claim that it needs to have this feature to compete in processing power is a step off topic, again, my pointing out it being a living room device means its not going to need this feature. So you mentioning this feature matters in the same way I mentioned the controller when you tried to counter argue my claim that consoles will be able to compete in processing speeds even if its only when they first come out.

jedikevin2

Might want to read what I wrote before attempting to cherry pick out.. The TC went off on resolutions etc. My statement was in more correlation to that which is why I typed in several things and then explained it for you. The controller argument as you presneted (chastisement over css and bc2 on Pc not possible in living room or no controllers or something along that line) was off base. That whole thing had no bearing in that discussion. Remember, sony spoke about triple screens for some time and even having tech demos of gt5 running on that format (some folks have been able to get it to work with 3 ps3s). Everything was in correlation to that. Sorry you got so zealous over that one focus. If the consoles want to "crush the pc" they would have to be able to output on resolution of say 1920x1080 x 3 to get the upmost graphical content that can be found on PC. Outside of that, it would ahve to have drastic better particle affects, physics etc and would ahve to stay stronger to pc hardware for some time.

PS.. even if you try to argue controllers, it still is a mute point as I (ask others have said) can use controllers on several games and even use wireless mouse and keyboards. You might not want to do that. You might not feel that it is as comfortable as anything but that is all opinion. You may feel console is a better "living room experience" but again, thats opinion.

At the end of the day, we will have too wait another year + and see where things stand.

edit: i do believe i got you mixed up with someone else, any way, doesn't matter, 3 monitors has as much to do with TC's topic as putting a computer in a living room does.

God, if you guys think this thread sucks then just wait till Sony and MS start talking specs and showing impossible to reach target renders.. :?

Then every single console player without the first bit of hardware knowledge will get obsessed with some cool sounding tech "teh Cell" and no matter how many numbers and facts you put in their face they will believe that the new consoles have some magical source of power that simply can not be explained in normal terms.

Then this forum will be bombarded by a million new accounts made by people that took everything said by MS and (especially) Sony seriously.

"Toy Story quality graphics" with the PS2 and "supercomputer at home!" with the PS3..... I have an odd feeling that Sony will try to say something like Avatar quality graphics on the PS4 lol.

And then all these years spent educating forum dwellers on hardware limitations will be wiped away and we will start all over. And so the cycle continues.

God, if you guys think this thread sucks then just wait till Sony and MS start talking specs and showing impossible to reach target renders.. :?

Then every single console player without the first bit of hardware knowledge will get obsessed with some cool sounding tech "teh Cell" and no matter how many numbers and facts you put in their face they will believe that the new consoles have some magical source of power that simply can not be explained in normal terms.

Then this forum will be bombarded by a million new accounts made by people that took everything said by MS and (especially) Sony seriously.

"Toy Story quality graphics" with the PS2 and "supercomputer at home!" with the PS3..... I have an odd feeling that Sony will try to say something like Avatar quality graphics on the PS4 lol.

And then all these years spent educating forum dwellers on hardware limitations will be wiped away and we will start all over. And so the cycle continues.

sandbox3d

You make a great point I guess I thought that console gamers would have a little bit of common sense by now. Most games on console are not even 720p ie HD. Now suddenly out of no place consoles will not only close the gap but cush gaming pc's. What ever they smoking I need a hit cause they really tripping hard.

I'm not cherry picking, you responded to me saying it needs to have a FEATURE to compete in power, 3 screens Has nothing to do with the power of the console itself, regadless of what the TC said, you read my post about consoles still being able to compete power wise when they are first released, and you answered you counter argued with a feature that had no correlation to my my post at all. And regarding your PS. i never said you CAN"t use the controllers, but they will make the game worse for someone that does in some cases, and not all games support a clean interface to them, and while you can use a mouse/keyboard they aren't nearly as practical sitting on a couch,savagetwinkie

Ok.. guess when I posted the green picture and quoted general and Chubby I was somehow talking to you.. Guess when you read my statement which i said "triple screen immersion, resolution, particle effects, ETC" and took just triple screen to base your argument I was jsut talking to you... Not seeing it bro.. You came against my statement. No idea what you are talking about anymore.

Oh and whats not partical for you can be 100% practical for me. Just a FYI.

TC doesn't have a clue what his tlakign about.

First off, low level programming on the consoles DOESN'T happen until severla years after the hardware is out int he wild. It takes that long for the devs to really start to optimize code.

THE SAME thing happenned this generation. Devs didn't start to optimize their engine and to squeeze out more performance out of the current hardware until a few years ago.

Also, modern DX 11 programming FIXES the issue with limited calls by bringing multi-threaded rendering performance to the table. Now, 3D rendering isn't limited by a single core.

So no. As usual, the consoles will come right out of the gate, a bit behind PC's, and then they'll get left in the dust a year later.

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

GotNugz

[QUOTE="GotNugz"]

ok ok all the hermits out here will all be upset but the truth is that PS4/X720 games will look much better than pc games around launch. while a top of the line graphics card has 512 stream processors compared with 48 of Xenos pc games do not look 10X better. the real problem is that directX is coding a game through the API leaves way too much headroom compared to direct to metal coding which can allow a developer to fully expliot the power on tap.

"on consoles you can draw maybe 10,000 to 20,000 chuncks of geometry in a frame, and you can do that at 30 to 60 frames per second.

On pc you can typically draw 2-3,000 without getting into trouble with performance, and that's quit surprising" Richard Huddy AMD worldwide dev relations.

with console games you can program direct to metal because the specs are all the same while pc's have varying specs, brands and architecture. if the 360 or PS3 had similar hardware to top of the line stuff now they would look an entire generation ahead of pc games on similar spec. if there were no API although it might be more challenging to code games, they would look leaps better. bottom line is that hardware has significantly outpaced software, and for all the herms out there stop gloating about your graphics when the only things you can claim is higher resolution more AA and fps. sometimes when im playing crysis 2 on 360 i wonder how this game manages to run on this old hardware and then i look at games like metro, Crysis warhead, battlefield maxed on pc, and can't help but feel pc gamers have been dupped buying all your silly upgrades just wait until next round of consoles come out only then will you really see "next gen gaming"

www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2011/03/16/farewell-to-directx/1

Captainqwark10

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across. i know that pc hardware is more powerful at times 10-12X more powerful but you hermits cant point to a single game that displays that. you have become disillusioned by ignorance into thinking there will be a good reason for devs to make a pc exclusive game that pushes the boundry. games like crysis only come around every couple of years at best but if it makes you feel better to spend 1000 on upgrades for 1 game be my guest. and for people saying next gen consoles wont be out for many years most likely wrong again, and since everyone on this board has a supercomputer that they believe will outclass PS4/720 lets take a stroll down history lane.

360 at launch had the best gpu on market, and a triple core cpu while core2duo was the best out on pc

Xbox 733mhz intel cpu again very comparable with a Pentium 4 etc etc

Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.TheMoreYouOwn

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across. i know that pc hardware is more powerful at times 10-12X more powerful but you hermits cant point to a single game that displays that. you have become disillusioned by ignorance into thinking there will be a good reason for devs to make a pc exclusive game that pushes the boundry. games like crysis only come around every couple of years at best but if it makes you feel better to spend 1000 on upgrades for 1 game be my guest. and for people saying next gen consoles wont be out for many years most likely wrong again, and since everyone on this board has a supercomputer that they believe will outclass PS4/720 lets take a stroll down history lane.

360 at launch had the best gpu on market, and a triple core cpu while core2duo was the best out on pc

Xbox 733mhz intel cpu again very comparable with a Pentium 4 etc etc

GotNugz

So sad seeing the consolites grasping at straws.

[QUOTE="GotNugz"]

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across. i know that pc hardware is more powerful at times 10-12X more powerful but you hermits cant point to a single game that displays that. you have become disillusioned by ignorance into thinking there will be a good reason for devs to make a pc exclusive game that pushes the boundry. games like crysis only come around every couple of years at best but if it makes you feel better to spend 1000 on upgrades for 1 game be my guest. and for people saying next gen consoles wont be out for many years most likely wrong again, and since everyone on this board has a supercomputer that they believe will outclass PS4/720 lets take a stroll down history lane.

360 at launch had the best gpu on market, and a triple core cpu while core2duo was the best out on pc

Xbox 733mhz intel cpu again very comparable with a Pentium 4 etc etc

Captainqwark10

And "almost as good" is being extremely charitable.

It's completley dumbed down form the original title. Small areas, outdated lighting, limited AA and not even HD on consoles. Pathetic, really.

you do realize that console games are made on PC's?

basically console games will always end up behind PC versions/games.

you do realize that console games are made on PC's?

basically console games will always end up behind PC versions/games.

Crazyguy105

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across.GotNugz

You're missing the entire point of what Direct-X does. Without DX, games could not access a PC like it could under MS-DOS.

Windows has protected memory.

So a console game will finally look better than Crysis?:P

Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.TheMoreYouOwn

So a console game will finally look better than Crysis?:P

mitu123

I think the TC doesn't know that the Xbox uses DX 9.0c.:P

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across. i know that pc hardware is more powerful at times 10-12X more powerful but you hermits cant point to a single game that displays that. GotNugz

hahahaha look at all these people missing my point i was getting across. i know that pc hardware is more powerful at times 10-12X more powerful but you hermits cant point to a single game that displays that. you have become disillusioned by ignorance into thinking there will be a good reason for devs to make a pc exclusive game that pushes the boundry. games like crysis only come around every couple of years at best but if it makes you feel better to spend 1000 on upgrades for 1 game be my guest. and for people saying next gen consoles wont be out for many years most likely wrong again, and since everyone on this board has a supercomputer that they believe will outclass PS4/720 lets take a stroll down history lane.

360 at launch had the best gpu on market, and a triple core cpu while core2duo was the best out on pc

Xbox 733mhz intel cpu again very comparable with a Pentium 4 etc etc

GotNugz

How much do you think it's going to cost for PS4/X720 ?

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .ChubbyGuy40

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.TheMoreYouOwn

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.mojosodopee

lol no

Keep dreaming...

[QUOTE="GeneralShowzer"]I remember how Gears was better looking than anything on PC... Then the PC version came out .ChubbyGuy40

Oblivion and FEAR looked better than Gears. Gears 1 on 360 is an ugly, low res mess. How people thought it was a graphics king is beyond me.

Pretty much every profesional review sight went on record to say Gears looked better then anything on pc because it did. Fear on pc looked horrid in comaparsion to gears. Flat textures, horrid charcter models and some of the worst levle design of all time.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]Next gen? Consoles crushed pc this gen.mojosodopee

Next gen consoles will most likely crush anything currently on pc, there not coming out for at least 2 to 3 more years. Some hermits will be in denial but its highly unlikely sony and Micrsoft wont relese something that blows the doors off whats out today.

ITT:

and

>Be technologically behind for 4+ years.
>Finally catch up for a brief period
>"YEAH! PWN3D! CONSOLES FTW PCs SUCK!!!!!!"

But TC, seriously, it will be the same as any other generation. Consoles will be on par with mid range gaming rigs for about 12 months and the gap will widen yet again. Play your games and enjoy them, some of us have actually progressed beyond close-minded, primitive tribalism. You should try it some time.

Next gen consoles will most likely crush anything currently on pc, there not coming out for at least 2 to 3 more years. Some hermits will be in denial but its highly unlikely sony and Micrsoft wont relese something that blows the doors off whats out today.

TheSterls

>Blows away what's out today in 2-3 years.
>Today.
>In 2 to 3 years.
>Thinks it's impressive to surpass something 3 years later in the hardware world.
>Implying PCs won't have progressed significantly in 2 to 3 years also.

Next gen consoles will most likely crush anything currently on pc, there not coming out for at least 2 to 3 more years. Some hermits will be in denial but its highly unlikely sony and Micrsoft wont relese something that blows the doors off whats out today.

TheSterls

PC gaming is never going to be crushed , where will PC gamers go ? indie , strategy ETC games are always going to made on PC With highest resolution and bestest framerate available .