Next gen gonna suk

Yeah. PS5 will probably have around 8 tflops... so native 4K games that barely look better than PS4 games. What a great gen it will be.. Noob of Duty MW8 to look the same as WWII.

They better make PS5 at least $500 and give it 10+ tflops.

its all about the flops matey

I want at least 11 ferratrops has or I’m going to go o’mental!

I want the same amount of flops Boycie is having, but add in one more flop.

Last gen suck and this gen is major improvement over last gen. not sure about next gen.

It will go one of two ways;

A: The next consoles will be powerhouse machines, a real upgrade

or

B: The next machines will follow the Switch path and offer only minor upgrades but in a mobile package

Hey man, that's like you're opinion.

Derp.

Oh maih gawd it gonna sux!

Let me guess: you're one of those people who can't find anything good to play this gen

For the PS5 to match the leap from PS3 to PS4 the GPU will need to be at least 14 Teraflops if we are using the PS4 as the base. Good luck with that for the folks expecting a PS5 in 2-3 years. ?

@Pedro: PS3 to PS4 was about a 4X's difference. Ps4s 1.84 GPU(with sucky CPU) will be fine with a 10 tflop GPU plus a way better CPU, and better RAM, etc. It'll do 4k gaming well. Hopefully 60fps is the standard this time around though.

Edit: Not 4X, but about 8X difference.

meanwhile...PC

I'm sure the console makers will have a plan. In the meantime, there's plenty to enjoy on the present generation.

I think next gen is going to be good.

Just putting that out there.

60 fps will never be the standard in console gaming, there will always be devs who want to push visuals over framerate, always. What could be standardized is a separate performance mode, but that might be too much work for some devs.

Every gen they say the same thing.

I'm loving this gen, and i think gaming in general is improving. I'm not worried.

@joshrmeyer: Nah that's not correct. If we are comparing gflops to gflops PS3 to PS4 was about an 10X increase. RSX was rated at 176gflops, while PS4 was at 1,840gflops. Cpu's were more or less a wash. If next gen consoles want any staying power they'll need at least 12tflops under the hood.

I think some people should find hobbies other than gaming. The constant bitching and complaining is getting pathetic.

true that!

my only hobby is gaming..but I love it.

if one complains about a hobby they do need to consider changing it

It'll all depend on what CPU+GPU they can get in a 100-150w package..... Power and heat is the biggest limiting factor when it comes to consoles.

PS3's RSX GPU was a GTX7800 which at the time was up there with the very fastest PC GPU's of the time, it had a power consumption of 110w.

Fast forward to PS4 and top of the line PC GPU's have seen power consumption spike, the GTX780 which released in early 2013 (Same year as PS4) consumed 200w+

PS4 as an entire system consumed ~130w

Can they realistically get 1080ti/Vega64 performance in a GPU that consumes 100-120w by 2021???

That is the big question.

Thanks for the heads up there Nostradamus. :P

@nfamouslegend: Yeah for some reason I was thinking it was higher. Here's from a gamespot article: "Sony released its PlayStation 3 console on November 11, 2006. With its Nvidia RSX Reality Synthesizer graphics solution, it offered 230.4 gigaFLOPS.... Compared to its predecessor, the PS2, it offers 37.1x as many FLOPS and represents the largest generational jump in graphical performance on this list."

I think as each generation goes on, we will see less and less of a performance jump. I'm going to omit the Pro since only maybe 5% of the ps4s are Pros. But using a base ps4 with it's measely 1.84 tflop GPU really isn't bad. It's the CPU that needs the upgrade. So even a 8-10 tflop GPU, with a somewhat budget CPU should do wonders for 4k gaming, whether it's native 4k or not.(I'm all for checkboarding if the extra juice can be used on other things). I agree not every dev will go for 60fps, but I'm hoping it will become standard and devs will follow suit, or at the very least, have the option.

So from FLOP perspective, the PS3 to PS4 was an 8X difference and if the ps5 has a 10 tflop GPU(8 just seems to low to bother), we are looking at a 5X difference (from base PS4... That's the demographic that will be the largest). Base PS4 to Pro was a 2.5X jump, so 5X makes sense also. I wouldn't doubt if this became the norm(Every 3 years get an approximately 2.5X jump, but a new gen console every 6 years).(Or they may just skip the 3 year cycle and do a 5-6 year cycle like PS1 and PS2 did.)

TF's alone does not suggest how powerful a console will be. Non-Intellectual noobs living off numbers and buzz words.

Not with the world class gaming of SONY around.

@joshrmeyer: I think 10tflops might work so long as the CPU is strong and they use very fast memory. I think that 230gflop number came from both the RSX and the Cell together. Cell actually could do some things typically only gpu's could, so I guess that is a fair number but only attained by very talented developers. They may have to use discrete chips as I don't thiink any APU will come close to that performance by 2020, even amd new Ryzen apu is not even 1/5 as powerful as needed.

The PS5 will have the nickname PowerStation 5, because it will be the most powerful console ever made.

Thank you Sony.

@nfamouslegend: Seeing how well PS4 is selling, I'm sure Sony has suppliers lined up to offer their product in bulk for cheap. I always thought consoles used discreet chips? Not really a techy so I'm not sure. But yup, hopefully 4k tv adoption will be standard by 2019-20 also. One thing that's always bugged me that should be improved is loading time. I'd be happier with no loads with lower graphics. Doubt that'll happen though.(Bloodborne and recently Monster Hunter World)

8 tflops would only be if it was coming this year which it isnt.

No need to buy systems at launch anymore, way too many games to play at this point and not enough time :)

No.... developers just need to stop using it wrong....

no they need to stop playing on playstations and join the brogamers.

GET AWAY FROM MY FLOPS!!!!

And yet in 2014 on this forum people bitched about both PS4 and X1 being underpowered because they didn't match high level PCs as 360 did at its launch. With the cost of tech nowadays and Nintendo making profit with underpowered tech, nobody is going to push that high so I agree.

Sure bruh!!! i'm givin' up gaming tomorrow evening ^^

Life ain't what it used to be.

I would say it's doable, if it wasn't for the crazy GPU prices currently. Aren't 1080ti's already like 9-11 teraflops? You never know, but I wouldn't expect PS5 until at least 2021-2022

I'm not worried. Just look at what Guerrilla Games , Sucker Punch , Naughty Dog , Polyphony , Santa Monica , etc can do with a base PS4. Just imagine what they will do with 8TF , more RAM , and a much better CPU. WoW.

If next gen doesn’t focus heavily on VR, then I’m out. I’ll focus on my other hobbies before I waste another gen on sequels of games I’ve played a million times.

But what about Nintendo and Xbox?

MS is the world class in power. MS is for the Gamers!

Why do console peasants keep talking about teraflops as if those random numbers mean anything? You'll never see anyone talk about teraflops on PC community forums.

@KillzoneSnake: Nah. 2020+ consoles will be ok.

Next Gen consoles will at the very least match a current Titan xP

Just not as many as world wide current gen 8 console leader, the illustrious and current gen 8 10/10 AAAAE Exclusive King-PS4

awww yeahhh

If you want 4K gaming at 60fps the PS5 ain't gonna cut it in 2020. They'll have to wait until 2023.

But more than likely 15-20 TFLOPS

Current Titan xP would be disappointing honestly

The base PS4 released in 2013 had trouble matching a GTX 580 from 2010.

I doubt the PS5 will match a Titan xP.

It doesnt really have trouble matching a GTX 580, and good luck running 2017 games with a GTX 580..

And the Pro was released in 2016, and easily matched 2013 Titan (Maxwell). (3 years in between)

Titan XP was released in April 2017, so a PS5 with Titan XP performance should be easy 3.5-4.5 years after XP’s release