Next Xbox Launching at $500, No Backwards Compatibility

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On the latest WhatTheTech podcast, Paul Thurrott weighed in on the NeXtbox rumors shared some info from his sources.



What The Tech Ep. 159 - Facebook Home 4-5-13

Apparently Microsoft is launching a 99$ Xbox 360 codenamed "Stingray" this November alongside of the Next Xbox.
According to Paul this is because the next Xbox isn't going to offer backwards compatibility for 360 games.

He mentions that it's going to be expensive. Apparently around 500$ for a normal unit, or 300$ for a subscription model.
It was also relayed to him that the device does indeed require a constant internet connection to function, although that is better discussed in this dedicated thread.

He also mentions that nothing that he has read about the next Xbox sounded negative to him.

Translation courtesy of GAF:

"The next Xbox is code-named Durango. And we have talked for a while about this notion that there might be another version of the Xbox that was just aimed at entertainmenta non-gaming device. That device was code-named 'Yumo' and they're not making it. They may make one in the future, but it's not happening this year.

"So the new Xbox that comes out this year will just be the Xbox. And I mentioned before they're also going to sell a new Xbox 360 code-named 'Stingray' that will be $99. And you might look at that as two things: backwards compatibility, obviously, suggestingI don't actually know this for a fact, but based on the fact that they're making oneI don't think that the new Xbox will play 360 games. But that I don't actually know, that I'm guessing. But, the other one is that, $99, that's a real coo price. And so we know that the Xbox 360 does Netflix, Hulu Plus, yada yada yada, and you can make the argument that's kind of a low cost entertainment device, too.

"Durango is going to be expensive [laughs], you know $500, $300 for the subscription, that kind of thing, but you know, Blu-ray, blah blah blah, but the thing that interest me, going back and looking at some of the stuff I got a long time ago, it actually says 'must be internet-connected to use' in the notes. And that's all I have, but it does say that.

[Is that a bad thing?]

"I don't know because I don't know what it means. You know, when you look at some of the stories that were coming out this week about, you know, I saw a headline that said something like 'Next Xbox could be okay without an internet connection for as long as 3 minutes' or something like that. I don't even know what that means, so for me, Xbox 360 is almost entirely an online experience. Most of the games I play are multiplayer, where you're playing against other people online. Or you're using it as an entertainment device when you're connected to a service like Netflix or Xbox video, so that is an internet-connected device. In this phrase, it says 'must be internet-connected to use', you know, that suggests that you can't even boot into the UI and playI don't know, I don't know, I don't have one.

"Originally, they were going to announce this thing in AprilApril 24now they're going to announce it May 21. We know there are events occuring this year where we're going to learn more about Durango.

[And it's a fourth quarter release, right?]

"Early November, yeah. E3 is going to occur. BUILD is going to occur in San Francisco in June when they're going to talk about the developer story because it's a Windows 8 device. It's going to have the same, or basically the same, developer tools and developer APIs and all that kind of stuff. So I think there's a lot information to come, but I look at all this stuff that I've seen about Durango and I think, 'it's all positive.' I don't really see any bad news here at all. Like to me, everything I've seen about this is really positive. It's amazing to me that, based on like no information at all, everyone is like freaking out about everything. Aside from this online thing, by the way, the number one question I've gotten from people is, 'What does it look like?' Who gives a shit what it looks like?

"I've actually heard from, by the way not one or two people, several people who've said, 'based on what I've seen, Sony is going to blow them away.' Based on what you've seen? You've seen nothing. What are you talking about? No, but you've seen literally nothing from Microsoft.

[I don't think that's even a possibility considering how many people use Xbox LIVE... You're not going to have this mass Xbox audience jumping to Sony.]

"The problem Microsoft has has nothing to do with Sony or Nintendo anymore, it's Roku and AppleTV. The market for hardcore video games, the market of people will always buy the next Gears of War game, the next Halo game, the next Call of Duty game, it's fairly finite. It's a decent market, yada yada yada, it's not the market for tablets, it's not the market for smartphones.

SOURCE

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He looks like a fridge.
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He looks like a fridge.clyde46
Better to not comment about it. Some people may be... sensitive.

Back on topic, M$ will shoot themselves on the foot for releasing a console that requires constant internet connection. Third Console Curse incoming.

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Gamespot reports as well...

 

char did you get my mail yet!??

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He looks like a fridge.clyde46
He looks like that angry, ex-military father of that ex girlfriend I never had.
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Gamespot reports as well...

 

char did you get my mail yet!??

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Oh, Gamespot was actually on time with the news report this time? Nice.
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Lems, if you start crying now by the time the PS4 launches you will be out of tears so then we won't be able to say you're crying or that your jealous because we won't be able to tell, Savvy?


Yes, sir, I know, but why? Why would he do that?
Because he's a lemming isn't he? Well, we shall have a magnificent launch party, and you're not invited!! ^^If you don't know where this is from, smack yourself across the face

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-500 dollars

-Always online

-No BC

Yup, all positive here.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"]He looks like a fridge.Miroku32

Better to not comment about it. Some people may be... sensitive.

Back on topic, M$ will shoot themselves on the foot for releasing a console that requires constant internet connection. Third Console Curse incoming.

Ditto for what I was going to say
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-500 dollars

-Always online

-No BC

Yup, all positive here.

crimsonman1245
I don't buy console at launch anyway & no BC is not a big problem to me (cus I don't really like 360 line up this gen). However, if always online is true, that's the absolute deal breaker.
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#11 DJ-Lafleur
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Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

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#12 crimsonman1245
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Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

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According to him its not the PS4 thats going to steal customers from Xbox, its Apple TV.....

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Lems, if you start crying now by the time the PS4 launches you will be out of tears so then we won't be able to say you're crying or that your jealous because we won't be able to tell, Savvy?


Yes, sir, I know, but why? Why would he do that?
Because he's a lemming isn't he? Well, we shall have a magnificent launch party, and you're not invited!! ^^If you don't know where this is from, smack yourself across the face

wasted_wisdom

^did this make sense to anyone?

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What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

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#15 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

DJ-Lafleur
It's not about the PS4 anymore. Microsoft is not in it to make a games console, they are in it to make a media box.
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#16 lostrib
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What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

Lionheart08

Like a cellphone plan, you pay a lower price for the unit and then a monthly fee

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What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

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It means you pay something like $15 a month for XBL, with a contract to do so for some 2/3 years. In the long run, it is generally more expensive to do it this way than just getting the console and XBL separately.
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#18 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

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Like your smartphone. You buy it at a cheaper price, but you are locked into an Xbox Live GOLD subscription for the next two years.
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What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

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Pay per month
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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

charizard1605
It's not about the PS4 anymore. Microsoft is not in it to make a games console, they are in it to make a media box.

Wow, interesting... Not.
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Expensive Console: Check

Always Online Required: Check

No BC: Check

Kinect Focus: Check

Looking good looking good.

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[QUOTE="Lionheart08"]

What the f*** does "subscription-based model" mean?

charizard1605

Like your smartphone. You buy it at a cheaper price, but you are locked into an Xbox Live GOLD subscription for the next two years.

So Microsoft is going to get money from you somehow. If this turns out to be true, then Systemwars is about to get entertaining. :lol:

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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

charizard1605

It's not about the PS4 anymore. Microsoft is not in it to make a games console, they are in it to make a media box.

Okay? Not making me want the nextbox anymore or PS4 any less. >_>

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I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops. If the currect specs are accurate it could even be $300.

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waits for the xbox fanboys who were saying having no BC was a deal breaker or who actually belived MS would offer it if Sony didn't

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I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

Wickerman777
The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up
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I dunno how I feel about this (provided it's true).

On one hand I'd love to see a return to Playstation dominance like the PS1, PS2. Especially if it draws Japanese devs back to console gaming.

On the other hand Nintendo isn't much competition for Sony's core audience and I'd hate to see what happens with Sony in a vacuum.

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

charizard1605
The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up

Ewww, my room is not even big enough for kinect, sigh...
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[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

crimsonman1245

According to him its not the PS4 thats going to steal customers from Xbox, its Apple TV.....

Well, alot of people did buy an Xbox to use Netflix and everything that is on there currently. I remember when the 360 was the first console to get Netfilx.
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Thank you Don.

 

 

 

 

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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

[QUOTE="DJ-Lafleur"]

Well sh*t. :|

Dat dere PS4 is looking much more enticing.

clyde46

According to him its not the PS4 thats going to steal customers from Xbox, its Apple TV.....

Well, alot of people did buy an Xbox to use Netflix and everything that is on there currently. I remember when the 360 was the first console to get Netfilx.

*pay $60 to use netflix* :lol:
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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

charizard1605

The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up

I doubt that costs all that much to make. Webcams ain't much at all. Yeah, it's more complex than a webcam but it ain't like it's alien tech.

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[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

charizard1605

The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up

this is MS so they are probably selling @ cost or actually trying to make a small profit off every unit.

God help anyone who actually buys the subscription model, sh!t will probably end up costing you $700 when it's all said and done.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

According to him its not the PS4 thats going to steal customers from Xbox, its Apple TV.....

rjdofu

Well, alot of people did buy an Xbox to use Netflix and everything that is on there currently. I remember when the 360 was the first console to get Netfilx.

*pay $60 to use netflix* :lol:

Seriously, I always felt that Netflix should have been part of the Silver Service.

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No way I'm buying into a contract for console hardware. And $500 standalone version? Microsoft is gone full-on crazy. 

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#36 clyde46
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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

According to him its not the PS4 thats going to steal customers from Xbox, its Apple TV.....

rjdofu
Well, alot of people did buy an Xbox to use Netflix and everything that is on there currently. I remember when the 360 was the first console to get Netfilx.

*pay $60 to use netflix* :lol:

The 360 was the only device that could play content from Netfilx at that point in time aside from a PC, and most people would rather have a console under their TV than a PC.
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

casharmy

The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up

this is MS so they are probably selling @ cost or actually trying to make a small profit off every unit.

Didn't they take over $100 loss on every 360 at the beginning of last gen? Doesn't look like they're willing to take that much of a hit this time but I doubt it'll be sold for a profit right out of the gate either.

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This guy is legit?
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't believe it'll be $500. Not with the specs that are out there right now. Unless the hardware changes $400 tops.

casharmy

The included Kinect in every box is probably pushing the price up

this is MS so they are probably selling @ cost or actually trying to make a small profit off every unit.

God help anyone who actually buys the subscription model, sh!t will probably end up costing you $700 when it's all said and done.

Until now, Microsoft has always sold at loss, at least at launch. We'll see.
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waits for the xbox fanboys who were saying having no BC was a deal breaker or who actually belived MS would offer it if Sony didn't

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casharmy

I was wondering this as well. Didnt a known Xboxfanboy make a "ps4= no bc, no buy" topic?

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This guy is legit?Heirren

he is an insider and a MS fanboy of the highest caliber. This is pretty much confirmed

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Well this goes with MS leaked document of competing with Apple.

 

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Beast incoming. Lock up your daughters, this thing will be sexy.
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#44 I_can_haz
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-500 dollars

-Always online

-No BC

-No Games

-XBL Live fees

-Halo/Forza (:lol: Sorry lems, Gears flopped)

-Kinect 2.0 (Justin Beiber included)

Yup, all positive here.

crimsonman1245

:P You forgot some extra things. You're welcome.

 

#JUMPOUT

 

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At this rate Sony wont have to spend a penny on marketing :?

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#46 casharmy
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This guy is legit?Heirren
Gamespot sure thinks so 

http://www.gamespot.com/news/subscription-based-xbox-720-priced-at-300-with-500-standard-model-6406544

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#47 deactivated-5e0e425ee91d8
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Wow, the next Xbox just looks less and less worth my time. If even a quarter of these rumours turn up true, than the next Xbox is going to just be a bad joke. Shame that Xbox has gone from a really solid games console, to wanting to be a media box first.
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[QUOTE="casharmy"]

waits for the xbox fanboys who were saying having no BC was a deal breaker or who actually belived MS would offer it if Sony didn't

toystory3popcorn.gif

trollhunter2

I was wondering this as well. Didnt a known Xboxfanboy make a "ps4= no bc, no buy" topic?

yeah, I think it was strongdeadlift and alot of lems were jumping on the bandwagon

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#49 Wickerman777
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This guy is legit?Heirren

I don't know anything about the guy but based solely on what he said here he doesn't seem to be much of a techhead. He said he didn't even know what always online meant. So I wonder if he's really taking the Nextbox's rumored specs into account or is just assuming it'll be equal to PS4 or perhaps even better. Those are some weak-ass specs for a console in 2013 from a major company like MS and no way do I believe it'll cost $500 unless the specs are wrong.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]This guy is legit?trollhunter2

he is an insider and a MS fanboy of the highest caliber. This is pretty much confirmed

I'm not saying otherwise, but what gives him the right to know/spill the info?