Ninja Gaiden Was a Niche Game, Ninja Gaiden 2 Will Not Be

[QUOTE="Valveknight"]Gow is better, sorry. and it will sell more.Palax

Let's see......Ninja Gaiden = 9.4. Ninja Gaiden Black = 9.4. GoW = 9.3 and GoW2 = 9.2....

Sorry Ninja Gaiden wins, cow, try again next sequel.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]so i see ng2 being hyped already. what do we even know about it?cakeorrdeath

It's very gory and umm......

come on, just like with any other extremely great game, when a sequel is announced you dont need any info on the game to be hyped about it, based on the credentials that Ninja Gaiden Has Made for Team Ninja And Itagaki

while we dont know if it could be bad or turn out to be like DMC2, its all in the fact that its a sequel to a great game, more of the same, and the same was spectacular

Hell NG was remade twice and still achieved AAA status in both,

[QUOTE="BION1CK"]

God of war is a button masher with weak combat, Ninja Gaiden is not a button masher and has amazing combat that requires skill.

Itagaki > Jaffe

what more do you want?.

JayPee89

Yes, because the only thing that matter in an action adventure game is the story :roll:

After played and finished NG 1+ Black + Sigma, DMC 1, 2, 3. GoW 1 + 2.

I can honestly say, that GoW is better, story is so much superior to NG and DMC in GoW + it has great combat also. Cant wait GoW3. will play NG2 too, but not much hyped for. I am waiting next GoW game on PS3.

Again, Ninja Gaiden was Published by Tecmo so was black and Sigma, Tecmo prolly didnt have much of an advertising Budget, thats why people dont really know of Ninja Gaiden

but NG2 is Being published by MS and will be marketed like Halo

and so NG2 will achieve the sales it deserves as being the BEST Action Adventure Brawling type game (dont mention RE4 because I am talking about Games like NG, DMC, GoW, HS, Too Human, Onimusha, I wish these games had its own Genre...)

and no Difficulty isnt the case, because even the casual Halo Lovers beat Halo on Legendary, but it seems Team Ninja is trying to make an easier difficulty for them, even if they do, that doesnt mean the rest of the game will be easier, we always have higher difficulties..

also anyone found a NG2 Video yet that isnt the Teaser Trailer?

supermechakirby

Advertising doesn't have anything to do with it. The style of the game is very low-budget. The voice acting, when there is any, isn't very strong. The story is hardly worth caring about. The level design is bland, and environments are used over and over again. The music isn't good enough to be used in gonzo porn.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE NINJA GAIDEN (go ahead and quote), but the presentation and production values leave a lot to be desired.

NG might indeed have the best fighting system, but really, who cares? You fight virtually the same enemies for an entire game, in the same boring levels, listening to the same boring music and occasionally watching a boring FMV which attempts to move the boring story along.

The actual gameplay/fighting system in NG is amazing, it's absolutely rock-solid and needs no tweaking. The presentation of the game is a weak point, and a seriously weak point at that.

GOW, on the other hand, throws you into an amazing, epic story from the beginning, in huge, beautiful and unique environments, where things are constantly happening in the background. The music and voice acting is of the highest quality out there. The story (especially in GOW2) is epic and makes you care about finishing the game. There is variety in the levels. You even ride a gryphon around at certain points. The boss fights are absolutely astounding, and give you a real sense of accomplishment.

Bottom line: if NG wasn't an Xbox game, it wouldn't be nearly as popular or well-received. Best fighting system out there (GOW, DMC, HS, take note), but horrible production values hamper what could be one of the best action platformers ever.

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"]

Again, Ninja Gaiden was Published by Tecmo so was black and Sigma, Tecmo prolly didnt have much of an advertising Budget, thats why people dont really know of Ninja Gaiden

but NG2 is Being published by MS and will be marketed like Halo

and so NG2 will achieve the sales it deserves as being the BEST Action Adventure Brawling type game (dont mention RE4 because I am talking about Games like NG, DMC, GoW, HS, Too Human, Onimusha, I wish these games had its own Genre...)

and no Difficulty isnt the case, because even the casual Halo Lovers beat Halo on Legendary, but it seems Team Ninja is trying to make an easier difficulty for them, even if they do, that doesnt mean the rest of the game will be easier, we always have higher difficulties..

also anyone found a NG2 Video yet that isnt the Teaser Trailer?

D_Znuhtz

Advertising doesn't have anything to do with it. The style of the game is very low-budget. The voice acting, when there is any, isn't very strong. The story is hardly worth caring about. The level design is bland, and environments are used over and over again. The music isn't good enough to be used in gonzo porn.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE NINJA GAIDEN (go ahead and quote), but the presentation and production values leave a lot to be desired.

NG might indeed have the best fighting system, but really, who cares? You fight virtually the same enemies for an entire game, in the same boring levels, listening to the same boring music and occasionally watching a boring FMV which attempts to move the boring story along.

The actual gameplay/fighting system in NG is amazing, it's absolutely rock-solid and needs no tweaking. The presentation of the game is a weak point, and a seriously weak point at that.

GOW, on the other hand, throws you into an amazing, epic story from the beginning, in huge, beautiful and unique environments, where things are constantly happening in the background. The music and voice acting is of the highest quality out there. The story (especially in GOW2) is epic and makes you care about finishing the game. There is variety in the levels. You even ride a gryphon around at certain points. The boss fights are absolutely astounding, and give you a real sense of accomplishment.

Bottom line: if NG wasn't an Xbox game, it wouldn't be nearly as popular or well-received. Best fighting system out there (GOW, DMC, HS, take note), but horrible production values hamper what could be one of the best action platformers ever.

well then in that sence then NG2 will be better, because they now have the financial backing of MS to get moar developers and better voice acting and an actual author for story writing like they did with Lost Odyssey

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

D_Znuhtz

and whats Gears of Wars Story? Aliens attack and we try to blow them up?

its just a bad ass action movie story with an excuse to kick some ass

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="supermechakirby"]

Again, Ninja Gaiden was Published by Tecmo so was black and Sigma, Tecmo prolly didnt have much of an advertising Budget, thats why people dont really know of Ninja Gaiden

but NG2 is Being published by MS and will be marketed like Halo

and so NG2 will achieve the sales it deserves as being the BEST Action Adventure Brawling type game (dont mention RE4 because I am talking about Games like NG, DMC, GoW, HS, Too Human, Onimusha, I wish these games had its own Genre...)

and no Difficulty isnt the case, because even the casual Halo Lovers beat Halo on Legendary, but it seems Team Ninja is trying to make an easier difficulty for them, even if they do, that doesnt mean the rest of the game will be easier, we always have higher difficulties..

also anyone found a NG2 Video yet that isnt the Teaser Trailer?

supermechakirby

Advertising doesn't have anything to do with it. The style of the game is very low-budget. The voice acting, when there is any, isn't very strong. The story is hardly worth caring about. The level design is bland, and environments are used over and over again. The music isn't good enough to be used in gonzo porn.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE NINJA GAIDEN (go ahead and quote), but the presentation and production values leave a lot to be desired.

NG might indeed have the best fighting system, but really, who cares? You fight virtually the same enemies for an entire game, in the same boring levels, listening to the same boring music and occasionally watching a boring FMV which attempts to move the boring story along.

The actual gameplay/fighting system in NG is amazing, it's absolutely rock-solid and needs no tweaking. The presentation of the game is a weak point, and a seriously weak point at that.

GOW, on the other hand, throws you into an amazing, epic story from the beginning, in huge, beautiful and unique environments, where things are constantly happening in the background. The music and voice acting is of the highest quality out there. The story (especially in GOW2) is epic and makes you care about finishing the game. There is variety in the levels. You even ride a gryphon around at certain points. The boss fights are absolutely astounding, and give you a real sense of accomplishment.

Bottom line: if NG wasn't an Xbox game, it wouldn't be nearly as popular or well-received. Best fighting system out there (GOW, DMC, HS, take note), but horrible production values hamper what could be one of the best action platformers ever.

well then in that sence then NG2 will be better, because they now have the financial backing of MS to get moar developers and better voice acting and an actual author for story writing like they did with Lost Odyssey

Yeah man, you're right. It can work, and I really hope it does. I plan to buy a 360 in the coming year, and NG2 might be another good reason. However, if they don't shake the crappy old school element that most Konami, Tecmo, Namco, Sega etc games have (same font for 20 yrs? same MIDI music?), it won't be anywhere near GOW, for me. I want UPDATED menus, great voice acting, a cool story with some twists, good music by a real composer...

If NG2 does all of this, it will be awesome, and actually deserve a AAA score, imo.

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped game & sequel to a hit.

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

supermechakirby

and whats Gears of Wars Story? Aliens attack and we try to blow them up?

its just a bad ass action movie story with an excuse to kick some ass

GOW = God of War

GeOW = Gears of War

God of War is an action game, which is why I'm comparing it.

God of War's story is so beyond awesome it's impossible to explain it. I don't want to ruin it, but the "revenge" story is so strong, you feel totally vindicated slaughtering thousands of enemies. It really does have an awesome story, and the fighting system is first-class. NG might edge it out a bit, but its certainly not subpar. GOW has everything an action game like it should have. I just feel a bit ripped off by NGS. It's a lot of fun to kill stuff, but that's all. I don't feel the urge to resolve the story.

If NG and GOW combined like Voltron it would be the best action game out there.

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped/sequel to a hit.

kevy619

Link? Compare the GOW 1 & 2 sales to NG and NGB sales? Please?

[QUOTE="supermechakirby"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

D_Znuhtz

and whats Gears of Wars Story? Aliens attack and we try to blow them up?

its just a bad ass action movie story with an excuse to kick some ass

GOW = God of War

GeOW = Gears of War

God of War is an action game, which is why I'm comparing it.

God of War's story is so beyond awesome it's impossible to explain it. I don't want to ruin it, but the "revenge" story is so strong, you feel totally vindicated slaughtering thousands of enemies. It really does have an awesome story, and the fighting system is first-class. NG might edge it out a bit, but its certainly not subpar. GOW has everything an action game like it should have. I just feel a bit ripped off by NGS. It's a lot of fun to kill stuff, but that's all. I don't feel the urge to resolve the story.

If NG and GOW combined like Voltron it would be the best action game out there.

No I am talking about Gears of War, a game that sold ALOT, and it had a generic story and was proclaimed to be just as great, I am just saying that sometimes you dont need a great story to be a great game

[QUOTE="Valveknight"]Gow is better, sorry. and it will sell more.Palax

Let's see......Ninja Gaiden = 9.4. Ninja Gaiden Black = 9.4. GoW = 9.3 and GoW2 = 9.2....

Sorry Ninja Gaiden wins, cow, try again next sequel.

I agree with you, but the second part of his point isn't wrong. GoW has sold plenty more copies than NG. I'm hopeful for this one though, 360 games sell extremely well and I can't see a great game like this not following the same path as games like GeoW, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, etc that have reached 1 mil+ very easily.

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="supermechakirby"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

supermechakirby

and whats Gears of Wars Story? Aliens attack and we try to blow them up?

its just a bad ass action movie story with an excuse to kick some ass

GOW = God of War

GeOW = Gears of War

God of War is an action game, which is why I'm comparing it.

God of War's story is so beyond awesome it's impossible to explain it. I don't want to ruin it, but the "revenge" story is so strong, you feel totally vindicated slaughtering thousands of enemies. It really does have an awesome story, and the fighting system is first-class. NG might edge it out a bit, but its certainly not subpar. GOW has everything an action game like it should have. I just feel a bit ripped off by NGS. It's a lot of fun to kill stuff, but that's all. I don't feel the urge to resolve the story.

If NG and GOW combined like Voltron it would be the best action game out there.

No I am talking about Gears of War, a game that sold ALOT, and it had a generic story and was proclaimed to be just as great, I am just saying that sometimes you dont need a great story to be a great game

I'd rather still have Great Story in great game, than avarage story in great game.

[QUOTE="kevy619"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped/sequel to a hit.

D_Znuhtz

Link? Compare the GOW 1 & 2 sales to NG and NGB sales? Please?

Why compare sales? We all know Ninja Gaiden has never had God Of War like hype. We also all know that God of War 2 quickly fell off the top sellers lists.

is this game for sure xbox 360 exclusive or is there still a chance it may become multiplat.papageorgio22

exclusive

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="supermechakirby"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"]

I mean seriously, someone tell me what Ninja Gaiden is about. I know, ninjas pwn Ryu's village, he has to go get revenge /yawn

No, the story isn't the only thing that matters in an action game, but there should actually be a story. NG's "story" is just an excuse to cut up thousands of baddies.

All I'm saying is this: if NG could insert its own fighting style into an epic game of GOW proportions, it would be among the best ever. Right now, it's just not.

How it rates higher than GOW on here is so, so far beyond me.

supermechakirby

and whats Gears of Wars Story? Aliens attack and we try to blow them up?

its just a bad ass action movie story with an excuse to kick some ass

GOW = God of War

GeOW = Gears of War

God of War is an action game, which is why I'm comparing it.

God of War's story is so beyond awesome it's impossible to explain it. I don't want to ruin it, but the "revenge" story is so strong, you feel totally vindicated slaughtering thousands of enemies. It really does have an awesome story, and the fighting system is first-class. NG might edge it out a bit, but its certainly not subpar. GOW has everything an action game like it should have. I just feel a bit ripped off by NGS. It's a lot of fun to kill stuff, but that's all. I don't feel the urge to resolve the story.

If NG and GOW combined like Voltron it would be the best action game out there.

No I am talking about Gears of War, a game that sold ALOT, and it had a generic story and was proclaimed to be just as great, I am just saying that sometimes you dont need a great story to be a great game

It's not just the story. The voice acting, the way the story is presented, that has a lot to do with it. Gears may not be original, but everything is solid, it's compelling, and you do want to see what happens next. NG just didn't have that for me.

In an action game, particularly, I need a good story and presentation to keep me interested. Comparing GOW to Ninja Gaiden, there is no contest.

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="kevy619"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped/sequel to a hit.

kevy619

Link? Compare the GOW 1 & 2 sales to NG and NGB sales? Please?

Why compare sales? We all know Ninja Gaiden has never had God Of War like hype. We also all know that God of War 2 quickly fell off the top sellers lists.

You brought sales into this debate. You compared NG2 to GOW3 and then said GOW's sales suck. BACK IT UP WITH SOME FACTS.

[QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="kevy619"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped/sequel to a hit.

D_Znuhtz

Link? Compare the GOW 1 & 2 sales to NG and NGB sales? Please?

Why compare sales? We all know Ninja Gaiden has never had God Of War like hype. We also all know that God of War 2 quickly fell off the top sellers lists.

You brought sales into this debate, dip****.

why so angry, i was just pointing out how poorly God of War 2 sold once the hype died out. Plus Ninja Gaiden is rated higher on pretty much all sites. So with microsoft marketing, more casual friendly gameplay, and the great gameplay of the original & Ninja Gaiden 2 will own God of War 3. Plus God of War 3 doesnt even have Jaffe working on it.

[QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="kevy619"][QUOTE="D_Znuhtz"][QUOTE="kevy619"]

Ninja Gaiden 2 > God of War 3

God of War 2 didnt sell that well for a highly hyped/sequel to a hit.

kevy619

Link? Compare the GOW 1 & 2 sales to NG and NGB sales? Please?

Why compare sales? We all know Ninja Gaiden has never had God Of War like hype. We also all know that God of War 2 quickly fell off the top sellers lists.

You brought sales into this debate, dip****.

why so angry, i was just pointing out how poorly God of War 2 sold once the hype died out. Plus Ninja Gaiden is rated higher on pretty much all sites. So with microsoft marketing, more casual friendly gameplay, and the great gameplay of the original Ninja Gaiden 2 will own God of War 3.

NG1 came first, and yes, at that time it was clearly the best of that genre. But GoW 1 and 2 showed that they are superior games in the genre. And they both outscores NG (original in gamerankings). I dont think NG2 even get AAA rating because of what GoW did to the genre.

I'm pretty sure this exact same thread was made a couple of days ago.Sir-Marwin105

lol