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They are up there, that's for sure, but I still think Nintendo has them beat. I say that and I'm not really into their stuff, but it's hard to argue against timeless game design. The graphics, characters and story of Uncharted and Uncharted 2 were great, but the gameplay was pretty average. In fact some areas of Uncharted 2's game design was downright embarrassing. For instance the last boss battles of both games were atrocious and the shooting mechanics are.....not that great.
This is further proof that some game developers just don't get it. They want to hide bad gameplay design behind a wall of pretty shiny stuff. It's kind of sad that it works.
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Well, you are entitled to your opinion regarding the shooting mechnics / response of Uncharted 2 & and other elements such as platforming or cover. I think it's the best a 3rd-person action-adventure has to offer (platforming in ACII is undoubtedly more fine-tuned IMO). The final boss wasn't the best of it's kind I agree, but it was fun. I think you are def. in the small minority though... It's not a game of "bad gameplay design behind a wall of pretty shiny stuff". The industry and a the majority of Uncharted 2 players would agree with me on this I believe.---
As for Nintendo, which studio within the company do you feel is the best? I ask because comparing Nintendo to ND is like comparing Sony to Retro Studios! I think it's between Nintendo EAD (Entertainment Analysis & Design) Software Group # 4 -> who makes Zelda and Software Group Tokyo -> who makes Super Mario Galaxy.
Well I say Nintendo as a whole because it's pretty obvious that Shiggy shapes their entire design philosophy. Also, I'm really not in tune with exactly who makes the games because I don't really follow them all that much. What I do know is that from what I've seen the quality of the Nintendo produced core titles is consistently top notch.As for the game mechanics of the Uncharted series- The thing that sets the game's above the rest is not the game mechanics, they are pretty average. It's the excellent writing, animation, voice work in combination with the gameplay. It really doesn't have to be that good because the whole outshines the individual parts and most of the individual parts are of such high quality that a lot can be forgiven.
As a 3rd person shooter, there quite a few games that do it better with a better cover system. as a platformer, I'm sure you can find better. BUT with those 2 gameplay parts combined with all of the other EXCELLENT components, it makes one absolutely fantastic experience. Technically the game is near perfect with how those things are meshed together, which makes people turn a blind eye to the parts that were lacking.
"They want to hide bad gameplay design behind a wall of pretty shiny stuff"
I wasn't talking about Naughty Dog when I said that, I was actually talking about Ninja Theory and a lot of other developers.
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