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#1 TankBusterJenn
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It's come to my attention that the internet has been the basic center of all the 'hate' towards the reboot of Devil May Cry. Now, I'm really getting tired of all the "white hair", "white hair" nonsense; I'm going to ask you all to stop because you don't know the reasons.

You see, CAPCOM came to Ninja Theory because they liked their traits. They liked how Ninja Theory made Heavenly Sword, and they asked them to take over Devil May Cry and bring it back from the dead, make it cool again.

Previous Dante isn't cool as he used to be, people today won't like him in their games. Sure he looked well, but he's a fashionista. His personality and antics were too over-the-top. Very 'japanesey'. It seems like they wanted to give him a more western vibe. Giving him a much harder edge, making him look more dangerous, cool. We know what's cool. Toughening him up to fit in with today's action games, if you will.

As for the gameplay. It's going to be VERY Devil May Cry, I can assure you that Executives and producers from CAPCOM have been flying in and out to make sure that the combat and gameplay are MUCH better than the previous games, including the feel of 60 frames-per-second, while they allow them complete control over to build on the foundations; they're taking Heavenly Sword's combat and building upon that in this game, while adding the elements from previous Devil May Cry games (like the grappling arm used by Dante in Devil May Cry 4). The combat is probably going to be VERY easy to get into, and the combos will most likely be very easy to execute as well.

Are you still not convinced that DmC is going to rock our world?!

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#2 Lto_thaG
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Isn't it going to be 30 fps?

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#3 Yangire
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Isn't it going to be 30 fps?

Lto_thaG

It *feels* like 60 FPS, so that doesn't matter!!

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#4 heretrix
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Are you still not convinced that DmC is going to rock our world?!

TankBusterJenn

Not in the slightest.

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#5 Lucianu
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Well God damn. I strongly disagree with every word you just wrote. I didn't know that it was possible for me to achieve that.

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#6 OneSanitarium
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The only time people were complaining about the white hair is when thats all there was to judge.

The gameplay looks bad, and thats what people complain about now. Because, you know, it looks bad.

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#7 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Isn't it going to be 30 fps?

Yangire

It *feels* like 60 FPS, so that doesn't matter!!

Lol. Well,that's something.
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#8 DarkLink77
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The only time people were complaining about the white hair is when thats all there was to judge.

The gameplay looks bad, and thats what people complain about now. Because, you know, it looks bad.

OneSanitarium
Pretty much this. Ninja Theory just can't do gameplay.
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#9 IndianaPwns39
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Gameplay MUCH better than previous games? I feel that's an impossible task after DMC3.

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#10 OneSanitarium
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they're taking Heavenly Sword's combat and building upon that in this game

TankBusterJenn

That game plays VERY badly. No one wants that.

while adding the elements from previous Devil May Cry games (like the grappling arm used by Dante in Devil May Cry 4). The combat is probably going to be VERY easy to get into, and the combos will most likely be very easy to execute as well.

TankBusterJenn

Nero is a poor character that used the arm as almost an easy way to do things. The combat system SHOULDN'T be easy to do things, as anything stylish or actually worth doing that's not just for damage sake is hard to do.

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#11 timmy00
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The gameplay still looks pretty bad. :/

oh and lol30fps.

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#12 madsnakehhh
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Lol, my complains aren't because of the hair:

NT changed the main character in order to appeal to "western" audiences by making a Twilight ripoff...yeah because that's why western audiences love, not to mention, Dante was a beloved character because of his cheesy persona, it was very japanese? sure, nothing wrong with that.

NT games have been...less than stellars.

The videos have been awfully bad, very slow and not like any DMC before in terms of gameplay.

And while the recent tweaks have been favorable, both in style and by making it a reebot instead of a prequel...i still don't see anything good about the game, in fact, with the lack of info i wouldn't be surprised if this game is in development hell right now.

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#13 Lto_thaG
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Also,Heavenly Sword's combat was pretty poor.

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Didn't people enjoy DMC4? I mean it was awful or anything... at least on the DmC scale.
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#15 Lto_thaG
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Didn't people enjoy DMC4? aaronmullan

It was okay.That's pretty much it.

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#16 madsnakehhh
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Didn't people enjoy DMC4? I mean it was awful or anything... at least on the DmC scale.aaronmullan

It was a very good game which major problem was the whole backtracking stuff, everything else was great, graphics, gameplay and boss battles. Hell, i'm willing to say that the gameplay was better than DMC3.

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#17 FlamesOfGrey
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I'm waiting for Hideki Kamiya's next action game but I'll get this once it gets a price drop to $20.
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#18 Lucianu
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Lol, my complains aren't because of the hair:

NT changed the main character in order to appeal to "western" audiences by making a Twilight ripoff...yeah because that's why western audiences love, not to mention, Danta was a beloved character because of his cheesy persona, it was very japanese? sure, nothing wrong with that.

NT games have been...less than stellars.

The videos have been awfully bad, very slow and not like any DMC before in terms of gameplay.

And while the recent tweaks have been favorable, both in style and by making it a reebot instead of a prequel...i still don't see anything good about the game, in fact, with the lack of info i wouldn't be surprised if this game is in development hell right now.

madsnakehhh

I've seen that supporters usually follow one pattern wen arguing with people that hate this new direction by just writting them off as "You just hate that Dante ain't having white hair", wile ignoring every legit point brought forth.

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#19 OneSanitarium
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Didn't people enjoy DMC4? I mean it was awful or anything... at least on the DmC scale.madsnakehhh

It was a very good game which major problem was the whole backtracking stuff, everything else was great, graphics, gameplay and boss battles. Hell, i'm willing to say that the gameplay was better than DMC3.

It was half a game, and you couldn't experience the best boss fight with Dante. Those are my complaints. I found Echidna and all the Agnus fights to be really boring. The best fights are Dante and Creedo. IMO of course.

Other than that, all 4 styles with Dante? **** yes!

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No amount of rambling will convince me that Ninja Theory, a second-rate action game developer, are capable of not only taking on such a prestigious IP and doing it justice, but are incapable of making a good action game that even does the genre proud. If Capcom had a lick of sense, they would scrap the entire NT project, and hand the IP over to Shinji Mikami and Platinum. It is the only way to do Devil May Cry AS A GAME any justice. I couldn't care less about his hair... I care about the gameplay and overall design choices (like the whole "angel/demon" thing which was never part of DMC to begin with).
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#21 Jynxzor
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We know what's cool.TankBusterJenn
The new Dante is far from what ANYONE would call "Cool" Aside from his terrible make-over a 30FPS DMC game? Please...
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#22 Gue1
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

Isn't it going to be 30 fps?

Yangire

It *feels* like 60 FPS, so that doesn't matter!!

that's just PR BS. That's like saying: 720p that will look like 1080p... The minimum lantency for 30fps is 100ms no matter what and this will force the combos to be canned like Heavenly Sword and Enslaved.

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#23 Lucianu
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No amount of rambling will convince me that Ninja Theory, a second-rate action game developer, are capable of not only taking on such a prestigious IP and doing it justice, but are incapable of making a good action game that even does the genre proud. If Capcom had a lick of sense, they would scrap the entire NT project, and hand the IP over to Shinji Mikami and Platinum. It is the only way to do Devil May Cry AS A GAME any justice. I couldn't care less about his hair... I care about the gameplay and overall design choices (like the whole "angel/demon" thing which was never part of DMC to begin with).foxhound_fox

I've read somewere that Capcom will be making another DMC that is more in tune with the original series, after this one, i forgot were though, but i know i did. I think this one is just a experiment to see if it'll succeed or not. Maybe if it'll fail, my dream will come true and Platinum will handle it.

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#24 madsnakehhh
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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Didn't people enjoy DMC4? I mean it was awful or anything... at least on the DmC scale.OneSanitarium

It was a very good game which major problem was the whole backtracking stuff, everything else was great, graphics, gameplay and boss battles. Hell, i'm willing to say that the gameplay was better than DMC3.

It was half a game, and you couldn't experience the best boss fight with Dante. Those are my complaints. I found Echidna and all the Agnus fights to be really boring. The best fights are Dante and Creedo. IMO of course.

Other than that, all 4 styles with Dante? **** yes!

I actually liked Echidna...i'm probably a victim of the whole all flash no substance, but at the time, i thought it was pretty imrpessive.

And yeah, Dante's gameplay was in a whole different level...i really wonder how NT will even attempt to do Dante any justice.

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#25 QQabitmoar
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Westernised to appeal to a wider audience (preteens and CoD kiddies of NA)....

RIP DMC.

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[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

It was a very good game which major problem was the whole backtracking stuff, everything else was great, graphics, gameplay and boss battles. Hell, i'm willing to say that the gameplay was better than DMC3.

madsnakehhh

It was half a game, and you couldn't experience the best boss fight with Dante. Those are my complaints. I found Echidna and all the Agnus fights to be really boring. The best fights are Dante and Creedo. IMO of course.

Other than that, all 4 styles with Dante? **** yes!

I actually liked Echidna...i'm probably a victim of the whole all flash no substance, but at the time, i thought it was pretty imrpessive.

And yeah, Dante's gameplay was in a whole different level...i really wonder how NT will even attempt to do Dante any justice.

Automatic combos with extremely floaty effects!

They fights were boring, but still somewhat enjoyable. I just wouldn't mind a slightly more complete game, and the option to use either Dante OR Nero through every single chapter.

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#27 Inconsistancy
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I loved Dante's 'over the top' attitude, his white hair, and all the cheesy crap in the game, removing that makes it a different character, why did they make it Dante, if it's not Dante? I dont have a problem with a DMC not having Dante in it, or if he's just there as a cameo.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

It was a very good game which major problem was the whole backtracking stuff, everything else was great, graphics, gameplay and boss battles. Hell, i'm willing to say that the gameplay was better than DMC3.

madsnakehhh

It was half a game, and you couldn't experience the best boss fight with Dante. Those are my complaints. I found Echidna and all the Agnus fights to be really boring. The best fights are Dante and Creedo. IMO of course.

Other than that, all 4 styles with Dante? **** yes!

I actually liked Echidna...i'm probably a victim of the whole all flash no substance, but at the time, i thought it was pretty imrpessive.

And yeah, Dante's gameplay was in a whole different level...i really wonder how NT will even attempt to do Dante any justice.

I quite enjoyed Echnidna, and Creedo, Nevan was the best in DMC3 imo.

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#29 crimsonman1245
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Back from the dead? The last Devil May Cry was a multimillion seller,

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DMC4 was an average game, the lack of effort put into that game is a little bit insulting. I more than welcome a talented developer like Ninja Theory, especially with Capcom helping them.

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people ranting about 30fps?

consoles are old

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#31 MFDOOM1983
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people ranting about 30fps?

consoles are old

HaloinventedFPS

Now console gamers can tell the two apart.:lol:

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#33 Swift_Boss_A
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The gameplay walkthrough I saw at TGS was extremely underwhelming and would only look like DMC if you have really bad eyesight and forgot to wear glasses. The camera was awful, the slo-mo kills were meaningless and out of place, the gameplay was off and the DT was laughably bad. Plus a DMC at 30fps is not DMC, feel of 60fps my arse. But it doesn't matter now, the devs confirmed it doesn't follow the original canon so basically it's DmC for people who can't get into the real DMC.

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#34 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

DMC4 was an average game, the lack of effort put into that game is a little bit insulting. I more than welcome a talented developer like Ninja Theory, especially with Capcom helping them.

Slashkice

Irrelevant to the point, which is the series wasn't "dead". Stating so is factually wrong.

Of course, putting aside sales, Devil May Cry 4 is still miles better than anything Ninja Theory has released.

Hopefully NT doesn't rehash every level and boss after the halfway point to artificially lengthen the game.
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The gameplay walkthrough I saw at TGS was extremely underwhelming and would only look like DMC if you have really bad eyesight and forgot to wear glasses. The camera was awful, the slo-mo kills were meaningless and out of place, the gameplay was off and the DT was laughably bad. Plus a DMC at 30fps is not DMC, feel of 60fps my arse. But it doesn't matter now, the devs confirmed it doesn't follow the original canon so basically it's DmC for people who can't get into the real DMC.

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Lol complaining about bad camera angles in a DMC game. These complaints lack any sort of basis.
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#36 Swift_Boss_A
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[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

The gameplay walkthrough I saw at TGS was extremely underwhelming and would only look like DMC if you have really bad eyesight and forgot to wear glasses. The camera was awful, the slo-mo kills were meaningless and out of place, the gameplay was off and the DT was laughably bad. Plus a DMC at 30fps is not DMC, feel of 60fps my arse. But it doesn't matter now, the devs confirmed it doesn't follow the original canon so basically it's DmC for people who can't get into the real DMC.

MFDOOM1983
Lol complaining about bad camera angles in a DMC game. These complaints lack any sort of basis.

DMC camera was functional but in DmC it looks downright broken. Clipping on walls, fighting and grabbing foes off screen etc. It's the worst use of camera in a game since NG.
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#37 Marka1700
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So 30 = 60 according to Ninja Theory?
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#38 StrongDeadlift
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Please, please, just kill it with fire :|

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The combat is probably going to be VERY easy to get into, and the combos will most likely be very easy to execute as well. Are you still not convinced that DmC is going to rock our world?!TankBusterJenn
most of my enjoyment stemmed from the complex nature/steep learning curve in the previous devil may cry games. It's one of the main reasons I enjoy DMC/Bayo/NG more than games such as GoW, Heavenly Sword/Enslaved, and Darksiders..
Didn't people enjoy DMC4? aaronmullan
other than the level design/bosses, I loved the game. It had by far the best/most refined combat in the entire franchise. Nero was a more than welcome addition if you ask me.
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#41 Crazyguy105
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saw this on "That Site" a few days ago. poor attempt at trolling. you didn't even have source material.

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Capcom did some good things on the PC version of DMC 4, namely DX 10 and optimization for 64-bit. The graphics were outstanding. But with all the platforming, I couldn't shake the feeling I was playing Mario or Donkey Kong.:lol: Platforming interrupted all of the great action, which was in the fighting. I doubt I will be interested in the new DMC.
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#43 lamprey263
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Ninja Theory has some lame fighting animations for their games, I don't think people are taking that into consideration, I'm guessing a lame lopsided cartwheel kick or back-flip kick with happen every double-tap of the attack button.
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#44 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"][QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]

The gameplay walkthrough I saw at TGS was extremely underwhelming and would only look like DMC if you have really bad eyesight and forgot to wear glasses. The camera was awful, the slo-mo kills were meaningless and out of place, the gameplay was off and the DT was laughably bad. Plus a DMC at 30fps is not DMC, feel of 60fps my arse. But it doesn't matter now, the devs confirmed it doesn't follow the original canon so basically it's DmC for people who can't get into the real DMC.

Swift_Boss_A
Lol complaining about bad camera angles in a DMC game. These complaints lack any sort of basis.

DMC camera was functional but in DmC it looks downright broken. Clipping on walls, fighting and grabbing foes off screen etc. It's the worst use of camera in a game since NG.

Tell me more about your time with this game that comes out next year.
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#45 MFDOOM1983
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[QUOTE="topsemag55"]Capcom did some good things on the PC version of DMC 4, namely DX 10 and optimization for 64-bit. The graphics were outstanding. But with all the platforming, I couldn't shake the feeling I was playing Mario or Donkey Kong.:lol: Platforming interrupted all of the great action, which was in the fighting. I doubt I will be interested in the new DMC.

All of capcom's games on pc released after lost planet 1 are some of the best optimized games around.
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#46 Swift_Boss_A
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ell me more about your time with this game that comes out next year. MFDOOM1983

It's the same argument; you haven't played the game, give them a chance, just wait.......

I am going by probability and trend, I have witnessed both Heavenly Sword and Enslaved and judging by both titles NT are nowhere near the right devs to breath new life into the franchise. I would much rather have Sony Santa Monica work on DMC than a 3rd rate studio like them. And on top of that Capcom expects AAA scores across the board plus 5 million sales. What in NT 10 year history do they think they're capable of making DmC into such a title? I think Capcom just wants to keep DMC in the public eye for better or worse, considering the main DMC team is working on Dragon's Dogma but at the same time they want the DMC name alive. It's simple really, cause major controversy, gamers call them out and once DmC releases and bombs Capcom will confirm DMC5 and the hype will be overkill.

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#47 jasonharris48
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It's not the character design and art work that gets to gets to me. It's the fact the game is running at 30FPS, it's an Action developed on the Unreal engine, and Ninja Theory since hasn't convinced me they can developed an Action that has depth.

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#48 contracts420
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I don't give a crap what other people think. If it's made by Ninja Theory than I know I will enjoy it. I think Heavenly Sword and Enslaved are two of the most underrated games of this generation. So I look forward to this new DMC.

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#49 Swift_Boss_A
Member since 2007 • 14579 Posts

It's not the character design and art work that gets to gets to me. It's the fact the game is running at 30FPS, it's an Action developed on the Unreal engine, and Ninja Theory since hasn't convinced me they can developed an Action that has depth.

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NT hasn't convinced me they can develop a video-game. I swear they're in the wrong profession and should be an exclusive CGI studio or making animated movies.

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#50 KiZZo1
Member since 2007 • 3989 Posts

Dante's new look is extremely disgusting to me.